Sixth Annual Israeli Apartheid Week

Are all human being entitled to fundamental human rights?

  • Yes, all people are entitled to food, clothing, shelter, medicine...

    Votes: 11 64.7%
  • No, only some people are entitled to human rights.

    Votes: 1 5.9%
  • Palestinians don't qualify as human beings.

    Votes: 5 29.4%

  • Total voters
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FU and your dead horse. You say you want a discussion and you post the dung quoted above. lol
How was an explosive device planted in Gaza a threat to anybody on the Istarli side of the fence?

Is it even a crime ?
If I put arsenic in a sandwich and it gets stolen and eaten am I responsible for the death if it was unintended?

So Hamas is allowed to plant explosives on the border and blow up Israeli soldiers or the Israeli fence...oh, I see.

Somehow I'm not surprized.
 

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FU and your dead horse. You say you want a discussion and you post the dung quoted above. lol
Wow, how mature.

First off you aren't my type, then of course, I'm kind of appalled that you would partake of beastiality!!! That's sick!!!

I can't believe you don't hold these terrible Joos to the fire like I do. They're terrible human beings and I use that term loosely. What a horrible act these criminal Joos have committed!!!
How was an explosive device planted in Gaza a threat to anybody on the Istarli side of the fence?
I don't even believe that it was an IED, I believe it was a tomato plant and the IDF used that to illegally attack them so that they could kill some more peaceful Palestinian militants. What more do you want?

Is it even a crime ?
Of course it is. They're trying to deprive the Palestinian militants of sustenance. That's a war crime and a crime against humanity. Gawd damn Joos!!!

If I put arsenic in a sandwich and it gets stolen and eaten am I responsible for the death if it was unintended?
Actually, not that it has any baring on the topic, yes, and there is case law to support that.
 
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So Hamas is allowed to plant explosives on the border and blow up Israeli soldiers or the Israeli fence...oh, I see.
Colpy!!! Don't you know that Hamas was just plant vegies to feed the little militants? How can you say it was an IED, the Joos lie all the time. It wasn't an IED, it was a tomato plant!!!

Somehow I'm not surprized.
I'm shocked that minorhz isn't condemning the Joos for war crimes and crimes against humanity here!!!???
 

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Oh, don't be ridiculous.

Of course you can legitimately cross into another's territory to prevent an obvious attack......

Not only that, but you guys continually refer to Gaza as "occupied"........strange occupation, when soldiers have to cross a "border" to deal with threats... :roll:
First can the 'you guys crap'. It is a blockade because Israel decides what is allowd and how much is allowed, that comes under seige, probably not a word the Courts view with favor.
You can also put out a few cones so nobody goes near it and the phone the 'authorities' and send them the location. It is a blockade

So Hamas is allowed to plant explosives on the border and blow up Israeli soldiers or the Israeli fence...oh, I see.

Somehow I'm not surprized.
Why would you think that would be seen a being a good thing? Are you stupid?
Where was it precisely, near the fence, under the fence and why were tanks so far into Gaza if this was an issue that was right at the fence itself.
BBC News - Israeli tanks 'enter Gaza' after deadly clashes
Witnesses in Gaza said tanks and bulldozers moved towards the southern town of Khan Younis before withdrawing.
They also said there had been firing from the Israeli navy along the Gaza coastline.
The short vid also has helicopter gunships involved

That involves a lot more than a few rounds be fired off at the border.
 

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I still have yet to understand why you would lead a horse to water and not let him drink, that is what is gross
 

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I still have yet to understand why you would lead a horse to water and not let him drink, that is what is gross
Again proving that you have a severe comprehension issue.

That is not what was said.

But I wouldn't expect someone of your limited skills to grasp that. I'd ask if you ever feel stupid, but I'm sure the answer will be no. Those who truly suffer from such a low mental capacity, are usually blissfully ignore to their deficiencies. You being a text book example of.
 
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Pretty much sums you up ...bye lol fuktard
I see not only can you still not back up your incorrect assertion, now you've taken to plagiarizing my words(****tard, which actually is an excellent descriptor for yourself, more so then I).

Although I'm pleasantly surprised that you were capable of grasping that statement and the fact that it does sum me up. I don't take the net seriously. Take you for instance, a complete and utter joke of a poster. Incapable of addressing most issues with coherent, intelligent or reasoned responses.

How can anyone take you seriously?

I take the facts seriously, and that is the only thing that matters. And that's where your cheese, simply slides right off the cracker.
 

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Good here are some facts for you.

[SIZE=+1]The Massacre at the Sabra and Shatila Camps:[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1] A number of events led to the decision of an extremist terrorist group of the Lebanese kata'ib forces and forces belonging to the Zionist Army to carry out massacres against the Palestinians. From the beginning of the Zionist invasion of Lebanon, the Zionists and their agents were working toward being able to extirpate the Palestinian presence in Lebanon. This may be seen from a number of massacres of which the world heard only little, carried out by Israeli forces and militias under their command in the Palestinian camps in south Lebanon (al-Rushaidiya, 'Ayn al-Hilu, al-Miya Miya, and others).32 This massacre was thus the outcome of a long mathematical calculation. It was carried out by groups of[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] Lebanese forces under the leadership of Ilyas Haqiba, head of the kata'ib intelligence apparatus and with the approval of the Zionist Minister of Defense, Ariel Sharon and the Commander of the Northern District, General Amir Dawri. High-level Israeli officers had been planning for some time to enable the Lebanese forces to go into the Palestinian camps once West Beirut had been surrounded.33[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Two days before the massacre began - on the evening of September 14 - planning and coordination meetings were held between terrorist Sharon and his companion, Eitan. Plans were laid to have the kata'ib forces storm the camps, and at dawn, September 15, Israel stormed West Beirut and cordoned off the camps. A high-level meeting was held on Thursday morning, September 16, 1982 in which Israel was represented by General Amir Dawri, Supreme Commander of the Northern Forces.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] The job of carrying out the operation was assigned to Eli Haqiba, a major security official in the Lebanese forces. The meeting was also attended by Fadi Afram, Commander of the Lebanese Forces.34[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The process of storming the camps began before sunset on Thursday, September 16,35 and continued for approximately 36 hours.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The Israeli Army surrounded the camps, providing the murderers with all the support, aid and facilities necessary for them to carry out their appalling crime. They supplied them with bulldozers and with the necessary pictures and maps. In addition, they set off incandescent bombs in the air in order to turn night into day so that none of the Palestinians would be able to escape death's grip. And those who did flee - women, children and the elderly - were brought back inside the camps by Israeli soldiers to face their destiny.36 At noon on Friday, the second day of the terrorist massacre, and with the approval of the Israeli Army, the kata'ib forces began receiving more ammunition, while the forces which had been in the camps were replaced by other, "fresh" forces.37 On Saturday morning, September 18, 1982, the massacre had reached its peak, and thousands of Sabra and Shatila camp residents had been annihilated.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Information about the massacre began to leak out after a number of children and women fled to the Gaza Hospital in the Shatila camp, where they told doctors what was happening. News of the massacre also began to reach some foreign journalists on Friday morning, September 17.38[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] One of the journalists who went into the camps after the massacre reports what he saw, saying, "The corpses of the Palestinians had been thrown among the rubble that remained of the Shatila camp. It was impossible to know exactly how many victims there were, but there had to be more than 1,000 dead. Some of the men who had been executed had been lined up in front of a wall, and bulldozers had been[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] used in an attempt to bury the bodies and cover up the aftermath of the massacre.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]But the hands and feet of the victims protruded from the debris."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] Hasan Salama (57 years old), whose 80-year-old brother was killed in the massacre, says, "They came from the mountains in thirty huge trucks. At first they started killing people with knives so that they wouldn't make any noise. Then on Friday there were snipers in the Shatila camp killing anybody who crossed the street. On Friday afternoon, armed men began going into the houses and firing on men, women and children. Then they started blowing up the houses and turning them into piles of[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] rubble."40[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] Author Amnoun Kabliyouk [p. 10] writes in his book about the tragedy of a young Palestinian girl who, like the rest of the children in the camp, faced this horrific massacre. Thirteen years old, she was the only survivor out of her entire family (her father, her mother, her grandfather and all her brothers and sisters were killed). She related to a Lebanese officer, saying, "We stayed in the shelter until really late on Thursday night, but then I decided to leave with my girl friend because we couldn't breathe anymore. Then all of a sudden we saw people raising white flags and handkerchiefs and coming toward the kata'ib saying, 'We're for peace and harmony.'[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] And they killed them right then and there. The women were screaming, moaning and begging [for mercy]. As for me, I ran back to our house and got into the bathtub. I saw them leading our neighbors away and shooting them. I tried to stand up at the window to look outside, but one of the kata'ib fighters saw me and shot at me. So I went back to the bathtub and stayed there for five hours. When I came out, they grabbed me and threw me down with everybody else. One of them asked me if I was Palestinian, and I said yes. My nine-month-old nephew was beside me, and he was crying and screaming so much that one of the men got angry, so he shot him. I burst into tears and told him that this baby had been all the family I had left. That made him all the more angry, and he took the baby and tore him in two."41[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] The massacre continued until noon on Saturday, September 18, leaving between 3,000 and 3,500 Palestinian and Lebanese civilians dead, most of them women, children and elderly people.42[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+1]Jibsheet Massacre :[/SIZE] 27/3/1984(Lebanon): The occupation forcers’ tanks and helicopters fired at a crowded people killing many civilians. 7 perosns were martyred, 10 were wounded.
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[SIZE=+1]Sohmor Massacre :[/SIZE] 19/9/1984 (Lebanon): The occupation forces stormed the town with tanks, and military
vehicles and ordered the inhabitants to congregate at the town's mosque where they fired at them. 13 martyrs, 12 wounded.
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[SIZE=+1]Seer Al Garbiah Massacre :[/SIZE] 23/3/1985 (Lebanon): The massacre took place at Al- Husseinieh building where people took shelter from the shelling of the Israeli soldiers who stormed the town with a huge number of military vehicles.7 persons were martyred.
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[SIZE=+1]Maaraka Massacres:[/SIZE] 5/3/1985(Lebanon): The occupation forces planted an explosive device in the Husseinieh building of the town .It was detonated during the distribution of aid to the citizens who lost their lives. 15 perosns were killed.
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[SIZE=+1]Zrariah Massacre :[/SIZE] 11/3/1985(Lebanon): Following heavy shelling the occupation forces stormed the town with about 100 vehicles and perpetrated a butchery, killing children, women and the elderly. 22 civlians were slaughtred.
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[SIZE=+1]Homeen Al-Tahta Massacre :[/SIZE] 21/3/1985(Lebanon): After attacking the village with 140 army vehicles, the occupation forces ordered the inhabitants to gather at the school of the village. They then destroyed it over their heads. 20 incoent person were martyred.
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[SIZE=+1]Jibaa Massacre :[/SIZE] 30/3/1985(Lebanon): A huge enemy force attacked the town and put it under siege, .When some people tried to escape the siege, the enemy soldiers fired at them, killing and wounding a lot of them. 5 perosn were killed, 5 were wounded.
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[SIZE=+1]Yohmor Massacre :[/SIZE]
13/4/1985 (Lebanon): At one O’clock in the morning, an Israeli armored force entered the town using civilian cars and opened fire at the houses which resulted in the killing of 10 people, among them a family of six people. [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Tiri massacre :[/SIZE]
17/8/1986 (Lebanon): Merciless crimes against civilians increased in the town with the occupation forces cutting the hands and ears from the head. 4 perosns were killed, 79 were crippled and wounded.
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[SIZE=+1]Al-Naher Al-Bared Massacre (Palestinian camp):[/SIZE]
11/12/1986(Lebanon): The Israeli warplanes raided this Palestinian refugee camp killing many of the refugees. 20 person were killed , 22 were wounded. [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Ain Al-Hillwee Massacre(Palestinian Camp) :[/SIZE]
5/9/1987(Lebanon): The enemy jet fighters launched two raids killing 31 and wounding 41 others. The refugees were hit by a thin raid while they were evacuating
casualties, 34 more being killed. [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]OYON QARA MASSACRE:[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] 20 May 1990, an Israeli soldier lined up Palestinian labors and murdered seven of them with a sub-machine gun. 13 Palesinians were killed by Israeli forces in subsequent demonstrations at the massacre.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Siddiqine Massacre:[/SIZE]
25/7/1990(Lebanon): The Israeli warplanes bombed a house, among the 3 killed a four years old child.
[SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]October 8, 1990[/SIZE]:
[SIZE=+0] As an extension of the Zionist policy based upon exercising control over the city of[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] Jerusalem and emptying it of its [Arab] residents by various and sundry means, such[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] as Zionist terrorism and shedding the blood of the Palestinian people - a policy[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] which Zionists have acted upon on numerous occasions - Zionist authorities[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] undertook on Monday, October 8, 1990 to carry out this heinous massacre against[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] Palestinian worshippers.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Several days before the events of the massacre began, the "Temple Trustees" group[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] distributed a statement to the media on the occasion of a religious festival of theirs[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] which they call "the Throne Festival". In the statement the organization announced[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] that it intended to stage a march to the Temple Mount (or so they call it). The[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] statement called upon Jews to participate in this march since, according to the[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] statement, it would involve the decisive act of placing the foundation stone for what is[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] called "the Third Temple." In addition, the founder of the organization, Ghershoun[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] Salmoun, announced that "the Arab-Islamic occupation of the temple area must[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] come to an end, and the Jews must renew their profound ties to the sacred area."[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] The march, in which 200,000 Jews took part, headed toward al-Aqsa Mosque in[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] order for "the foundation stone" of the so-called "Third Temple" to be put in place.43[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] At the same time, that is, at 10:00 a.m. and a half-hour before the beginning of the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] massacre, Israeli occupation forces began placing military barriers along various[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] roads leading to Jerusalem in order to prevent Palestinians from getting to the city.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] They also closed the doors of the mosque itself and forbid Jerusalem residents to go[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] in. However, thousands had already gathered inside the mosque before this time in[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] response to calls from the imam of the mosque and the Islamic movement to protect[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] the mosque and to prevent the "Temple Trustees" from storming it and perhaps even[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] imposing Jewish control over it.44[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] When the Muslim worshippers began resisting the Zionist group to prevent them[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] from placing the "foundation stone" for their so-called temple, Zionist occupation[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] forces began carrying out the massacre, using all the weapons at their disposal:[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] poison gas bombs, automatic weapons, military helicopters, etc. The soldiers,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] [Israeli] intelligence men and Jewish settlers resorted to firing live ammunition in the[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] form of a continuous spray of machine-gun fire which came from all directions and in[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] a well planned and coordinated fashion. The result was that thousands of Palestinian[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] worshippers of various ages and nationalities found themselves in a mass death[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] trap. Twenty-three Palestinians were killed, and 850 others were wounded to varying[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] degrees.45 The Israeli soldiers began firing at 10:30 a.m. and stopped 35 minutes[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] later. They opened fire on the Palestinian worshippers randomly and in cold blood.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Then they pursued them with clubs and rifles [outside the mosque].46 Nurse Fatima[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] Abu Khadir, who was wounded by a bullet which fractured her wrist, states, "We went[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] into the mosque precincts in an ambulance. I saw a large number of injured who had[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] fallen on the ground. Then I saw lots of soldiers, hundreds of soldiers. They were[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] about 30 meters from the ambulance and kneeling on one knee the way snipers do,[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] and their weapons were aimed inside the ambulance. After that I couldn't see[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] anything."47[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] News agencies described the blessed precincts of al-Aqsa Mosque saying that[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] blood had covered "the entire two hundred meters between the Dome of the Rock[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] and al-Aqsa Mosque. Blood was flowing everywhere, all over the wide steps, and[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] had stained the white tile the length of the broad courtyard, as well as the doors of[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] both mosques. The walls of the two mosques had long, crimson lines etched onto[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] them by bleeding hands, and blood had stained the white uniforms of the woman[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] first-aid workers. Everyone - the wounded and the more fortunate, first-aid workers,[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] journalists, and Israeli soldiers - all of them looked as though they were swimming in[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] blood.48[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Physician Muhammad Abu 'Ayila relates what happened to him and to a wounded[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] man to whom he had been trying to administer first aid, and how the Zionists' glee at[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] the sight of Palestinian blood spilled in the precincts of the holy mosque had blinded[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] their eyes so much that they couldn't distinguish between a young child and an old[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] man, between a man and a woman, between a wounded man and one seeking to[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] treat him. He says, "I got out of the ambulance carrying a first-aid kit. I was wearing a[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] white uniform. The soldiers saw me and knew I was a doctor. But when I got to the[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] wounded person nearest me and bent down to treat him, I got three bullets in my[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] back in the region of the kidney. At that very moment, the wounded man near me[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] died. But he could have been saved if I hadn't been hit."49 Most of the wounds, in[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] fact, were in the head and in the heart.50[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Then, in a farce designed to justify the crime which had been committed by Zionists'[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] hands now stained with Palestinian blood, terrorist Yitzhaq Shamir, Prime Minister of[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] the Zionist entity at that time, hastened to form a fact-finding committee which he[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] called the "Zamir Committee" after its head, Tu'fi Zamir, former head of the Israeli[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] Mossad. As for the outcome of the committee's investigation, it was announced by[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] Moshe Almert, head of the Media Office of the occupation government, who said,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] "The report confirms clearly that the responsibility and fault for escalating [the conflict][/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] lies on the side of the thousands of Muslim extremists, who were attacking the holy[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0] place of the Jews."51[/SIZE]


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Those horrible, horrible Joos, you should do something more then just parrot other peoples opinions mhz!!! This is unacceptable, those Joos should be subject to the same thing you condone be done to whites in South Africa!!!!

More "parroting"?

How sad.

Have you ever had an original thought of your own?
 

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Have you ever had an original thought of your own?
Sure, none like the article describes though. Now where should I put that bad little bear who likes facts but likes running off at the mouth even more than posting facts? Do you support the vote taken at the UN at the end of Feburary that put the score at 100 for and 10 against Israel and Hamas being investigated? Yes or No, how hard is that? You get to voice your opinion (one word is enough) on something factual and it points to rule of law by 100 Nations.

You never provided the law that says 'the ruling power' cannot install defensive measures.
 

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Sure, none like the article describes though.
Of that I'm sure. The author of that article, obviously has some grasp on reality, reasoned thought, critical thought and fair grasp on comprehension.

Now where should I put that bad little bear who likes facts but likes running off at the mouth even more than posting facts?
I've posted so many links, Andem threatened to charge me for over using bandwidth. You ignoring them or dismissing them, doesn't mean I haven't posted them.

Now, the other issue is, not everything of pertinent context is available for free on the net. So I can't very well post them can I? Even then, we come back to the first issue, you and people like you, ignoring them or dismissing them.

Do you support the vote taken at the UN at the end of Feburary that put the score at 100 for and 10 against Israel and Hamas being investigated?
No.

Yes or No, how hard is that?
It isn't hard, which is why I answer 98% of all questions, and all posts addressed to me. Unlike you and eao.

You get to voice your opinion (one word is enough) on something factual and it points to rule of law by 100 Nations.
The UN is not a bastion of the rule of law. The overwhelming proof of that is some of the worlds most prolific human rights abusers, being on the Human rights Committee.

You never provided the law that says 'the ruling power' cannot install defensive measures.
What the hell are you babbling about now?
 

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Of that I'm sure. The author of that article, obviously has some grasp on reality, reasoned thought, critical thought and fair grasp on comprehension.
Actually that article was based on many articles, here is the list.
[SIZE=+1]References:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 1. The Palestinian Encyclopedia, Part I, op. cit., p. 413, paraphrased.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 2. Ghazi al-Sa'di, Massacres and Practices, 1936-1983, Amman, Dar al-Jalil[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] lil-Nashr wal-Dirasat [The Galilee House for Publication and Research] , June[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 1985, p. 43.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 3. The Palestinian Encyclopedia, op. cit., p. 413.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 4. al-Sa'di, op. cit., p. 43.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 5. The Palestinian Encyclopedia, op. cit., p. 414.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 6. al-Sa'di, op. cit., p. 43.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 7. The Palestinian Encyclopedia, Part II, op. cit., p. 434.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 8. Dr. Hamdan Badr, The Role of the Hagana Organization in the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] Establishment of Israel, Amman: Dar al-Jalil lil-Nashr wal-Dirasat, 1985, p.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 303.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 9. Ibid.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 10. Arafat Hijazi, Dair Yasin: The Roots and Dimensions of the Crime in Zionist[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] Thought, p. 63.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 11. Roget Delurme [sp?], trans. by Nakhla Kallas, I Accuse, no place of[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] publication: Dar al-Jurmuq lil-Tiba'a wal-Nashr [The Jurmuq House for Printing[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] and Publication], no date, pp. 52-53.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 12. Dominique Lapierre and Larry Collins, O' Jerusalem, 1972, p. 275.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 13. Hijazi, op. cit., p. 63.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 14. al-Sa'di, op. cit., p. 60.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 15. Salih al-Shar', op. cit., p. 201.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 16. The Palestinian Encyclopedia, Part III, p. 502.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 17. Jawad al-Hamad, The Palestinian People: Victim of Zionist Massacres[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] and Terrorism, Markaz Dirasat al-Sharq al-Awsat [Center for Middle East[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] Studies], 1995, p.24.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 18. The Palestinian Encyclopedia, Part III, op. cit., pp. 502-503.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 19. The Memoirs of Ariel Sharon, trans. by Antoine Abir, Beirut, Maktabat[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] Bisan, 1991, p. 110.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 20. Emile Habiby, Kufr Qasim: the Political Massacre, Haifa: Manshourat[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] Arabask [Arabask Publications], 1976, p. 82.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 21. The Palestinian Encyclopedia, Part III, op. cit., p. 653.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 22. Habiby, op. cit., p. 17.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 23. al-Sa'di, op. cit., pp. 85-86.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 24. The Palestinian Encyclopedia, Part III. op. cit., p. 653.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 25. Habiby, op. cit., p. 37.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 26. al-Hamd, op. cit., p. 29.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 27. al-Sa'di, op. cit., p. 87.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 28. Among the Most Important Terrorists, Beirut: Mu'assasat al-Dirasat[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] al-Filistiniya [The Foundation for Palestinian Studies], 1973, pp. 37-38.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 29. Husayn Abu al-Naml, The Gaza Strip, 1948-1967: Economic, Political,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] Social and Military Developments, Beirut: Center for Research, PLO, 1979, p.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 121.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 30. Ghazi al-Sourani, The Gaza Strip, 1948-1993, Beirut: Dar al-Mubtada',[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 1993, p. 27.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 31. Abu al-Naml, op. cit., p. 121.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 32. Abd al-Hafiz Muhammad, The Massacre: Beirut, Sabra and Shatila, the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] Invasion of Lebanon, Amman, the Akhbar al-Usbu' [Weekly News] newspaper,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 1982, p. 111.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 33. The Qatar News Agency, The Invasion, the Massacre: Crime of the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] Twentieth Century, no date of publication, 1982, p. . . . [?].[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 34. al-Hamad, op. cit., p. 36.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 35. Amnoun Kabliyouk [sp?], trans. by the Arab Translation Center, Sabra and[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] Shatila: The Investigation of a Massacre, Paris: Manshourat al-Maktab al-Arabi[/SIZE]
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I've posted so many links, Andem threatened to charge me for over using bandwidth. You ignoring them or dismissing them, doesn't mean I haven't posted them.
Then you wouldn't mind supplying a link to that exact post where that topic is covered. Why would you think I would want you to post a 60 page pft document.

Now, the other issue is, not everything of pertinent context is available for free on the net. So I can't very well post them can I? Even then, we come back to the first issue, you and people like you, ignoring them or dismissing them.
Are you bringing this up as a little bear with a tear in his eye or are you a MOD?
The the vote of the majority means nothing if you cannot accept it with a smile. If you balk at accepting the motion for further investigation then how likely would it be that you cheerfully accept some of their conduct being ruled as being a crime.

This doesn't even touch on the irony of you demanding the 10 Nations that voted against the creation of a new Israel accept it with nothing but a smile.

It isn't hard, which is why I answer 98% of all questions, and all posts addressed to me. Unlike you and eao.
I even answer you when it is dribble like this. lol

The UN is not a bastion of the rule of law. The overwhelming proof of that is some of the worlds most prolific human rights abusers, being on the Human rights Committee.
Hove very strange that when the UN obeys the 'wishes' of the US it is the end all of salvation for humanity and as soon as the 'topic' is something that is anti-US policy' it become a worthless organization and the wishes of a 100 Nations means squat when compared to the wishes of just 10 Nations.

That would make them experts then, are they promoting abuse on civilians or are they now against such acts?
Judges are slightly different cut of cloth. Would you respect their decisions on all matters they render verdicts on? (you don't have to be cheerful about it but you have to support the verdict as being 'correct')

Members of the Court | International Court of Justice

Judges must be elected from among persons of high moral character, who possess the qualifications required in their respective countries for appointment to the highest judicial offices, or are jurisconsults of recognized competence in international law.
The Court may not include more than one national of the same State. Moreover, the Court as a whole must represent the main forms of civilization and the principal legal systems of the world.
In practice this principle has found expression in the distribution of membership of the Court among the principal regions of the globe. Today this distribution is as follows: Africa 3, Latin America and the Caribbean 2, Asia 3, Western Europe and other States 5, Eastern Europe 2, which corresponds to that of membership of the Security Council. Although there is no entitlement to membership on the part of any country, the Court has always included judges of the nationality of the permanent members of the Security Council.


What the hell are you babbling about now?

You last actual fact based post, does Hamas have the right to plant explosives on their property if it is for defensive purposes?

You already bragged about how well you do in answering question, prove it. Perhaps the real objective is to sacrifice a few IDF members so the war from the air will be more acceptable by the average Israeli civilian and the international community, even knowing the deaths of innocents will also increase dramatically.
 

ironsides

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"The violence began Friday when soldiers patrolling the border crossed into Gaza after spotting Palestinians planting explosives near the fence with Israel."
If the explosives were in Gaza and the IDF never goes into Gaza how were they in 'mortal danger' that would require a gun-fight?
What ezaxt statute of the war-crimes act does planting explosives on your own property come under?
(the link)
Israeli troops used bulldozers to "flatten infrastructure used by terrorists to attack soldiers" before the early morning withdrawal, a military spokeswoman said.

So Israel can enter Gaza antime and anywhere and if they are shot at they will bring in dozers (or whatever) so they can't be shot at when in Gaza illegally. lol

Nope, they are allowed to patrol the border areas in order to protect themselves. no one else will.
 

CDNBear

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Actually that article was based on many articles, here is the list...
More cut and paste?

Then you wouldn't mind supplying a link to that exact post where that topic is covered. Why would you think I would want you to post a 60 page pft document.
The fact that you referenced one of my links, tells me you want to see me jump through hoops. You can either do the work yourself or look like an idiot. Anyone with a half a clue, can see that I have provided endless supporting material, which obviously excludes you.

Are you bringing this up as a little bear with a tear in his eye or are you a MOD?
:lol:

I see you can't counter my statement with a reasoned rebuttal.

The the vote of the majority means nothing if you cannot accept it with a smile. If you balk at accepting the motion for further investigation then how likely would it be that you cheerfully accept some of their conduct being ruled as being a crime.
I don't recognise the authority of the UN. Furthermore, I don't pick and choose what actions the UN does, like you and eao, to bolster my position. I completely dismiss that organization.

This doesn't even touch on the irony of you demanding the 10 Nations that voted against the creation of a new Israel accept it with nothing but a smile.
I think you missed the point of my commentary. Actually I don't think you did, I know you did. It's a common issue with your limited cognitive skills.

I even answer you when it is dribble like this. lol

Hove very strange that when the UN obeys the 'wishes' of the US it is the end all of salvation for humanity and as soon as the 'topic' is something that is anti-US policy' it become a worthless organization and the wishes of a 100 Nations means squat when compared to the wishes of just 10 Nations.
Yes, I agree, that statement you made is pure dribble, but I've come to expect that from you.

Please supply a quote, in which I have ever blessed the UN for anything?

You and eao on the other hand, condemn the UN for the creation of Israel, then use UN resolutions to condemn Israel.:lol:

That would make them experts then, are they promoting abuse on civilians or are they now against such acts?

Judges are slightly different cut of cloth. Would you respect their decisions on all matters they render verdicts on? (you don't have to be cheerful about it but you have to support the verdict as being 'correct')
At this point? No.

Judges must be elected from among persons of high moral character, who possess the qualifications required in their respective countries for appointment to the highest judicial offices, or are jurisconsults of recognized competence in international law.
That excludes anyone you would endorse.

You last actual fact based post, does Hamas have the right to plant explosives on their property if it is for defensive purposes?
In this case, no. That territory under your UN statute is demilitarized.

You already bragged about how well you do in answering question, prove it.
Prove what?

Perhaps the real objective is to sacrifice a few IDF members so the war from the air will be more acceptable by the average Israeli civilian and the international community, even knowing the deaths of innocents will also increase dramatically.
I haven't denied that Israel is full of scum and should be sanctioned until each and every last one of them is under the heel of the Arabs.

What more do you want?

A pound of their flesh?

Buckets of their children's blood to bathe in?
 
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MHz

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Nope, they are allowed to patrol the border areas in order to protect themselves. no one else will.
How is a mine planted in Gaza a danger to the IDF while they are in on their side of a barrier.
Does an invasion to dismantle it require shelling from the ocean and from gunships overhead?
What were the dozers destroying exactly?
 

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What always bugs me is the fake self-righteousness of the anti-israel bandwagon. Its not that they hate israel, it's about "how bad it is in Gaza" or "how horrible Israel acts" and I always bring up how its not actually that bad when you look at the world as a whole, in fact its actually pretty god damned tame on both sides.


Hundreds of thousands of posts on this site, which is a fair representation of how much media attention and political muscle is put to solving "the Middle East" situation. 1/100th of that effort put to solving real problems in real danger zones in places such as Africa would reduce human suffering worldwide a hundred fold.

Israel and gaza kill a half dozen people on either side, fire a handful of rockets at Israeli suburbs and Israel raises the price of luxury and industrial goods and its "the horror!"

Over three hundred people are butchered in one sitting in a vast populace sunk below wild animals in terms of economic activity and no one gives a damn. It's not a problem if its Africans for some of you I guess.