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I don't care what country does it - I would not eat an egg that was not refrigerated. Maybe the problem here is what we feed the chickens but - that won't change my mind regarding refrigeration regardless.
A friend of mine (with relatives in Japan) never refrigerates her eggs. She is guite healthy. However I wouldn't trust an unrefrigerated egg as far as I can spit.
 

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Not Sure VanIsle.. I would not chance an egg that was not refrigerated but then that is what I am used to..

It was hard to drink warm milk.. Even harder to use it in cereals but ok for tea and coffee.. I believe it has to do with pasteurization.. Country boy is probably better equipped to explain that one.. :smile:

But here is a link to British milk ..

Moo: Product information

Moo seems to be one company, Here is the generic information on UHT milk

Ultra-high-temperature processing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It also lists how many European countries consume UHT milk. My guess is that USA and Canada don’t consume much.
 

AnnaG

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Hey AnnaG, you probably wouldn't care for the delight in Asia called (translated roughly) "Thousand year old eggs." They're fermented eggs (duck, if I'm not mistaken) and they're a lovely shade of sticky blackish/green. Yummy! Just proves that food is all a matter of taste! :lol:
I did try a bite once. You're right; I'll pass that up. :D I don't like the other thing of Dr.Seuss's either; green ham.
 

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"You may not like McDonald’s JLM, but it happens to be very popular."- Yeah, with kids aged 2 to 17, mature adults don't frequent those places,
well maybe that's not strictly true I was rushed for time on a couple of occasions when shopping in a dept. store where Mcs was attached, but I only eat their chicken sandwich and if I think about it I specify fries unsalted

McDonald’s isn’t just popular with the kids JLM, plenty of adults frequent it as well. And don’t assume that their chicken sandwich has lower calories than a Big Mac. If you ask them they will give you a nutrition sheet, which lists calories and nutritional information of all the products they sell. Next time you go to McDonald, you may want to get the fact sheet before you order.

McDonald's wouldn't be so profitable if they did not get plenty of adult business as well.

Their coffee is OK, big deal so's mine that I make at home for about 20 cents a cup.

Perhaps, but when you are on the road, their coffee is great (and they have free refills).
 

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A friend of mine (with relatives in Japan) never refrigerates her eggs. She is guite healthy. However I wouldn't trust an unrefrigerated egg as far as I can spit.
We have them here. I go gather eggs, bring them in, wash them, cook them, and eat them. Delishus. :) But they are fresh, not weeks old as you get in the markets.
 

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you'd have to pay me a lot of money to eat a raw egg,
I love eggs, cooked many different ways, never raw, and
never unrefrigerated, they can go rotton quickly, smell
awful, and contain lots of bacteria.
I would not eat raw fish, ever. I love skim milk by the
glass, have always loved milk. I have cream in my one
coffee a day.


Don’t’ you drink eggnog then? Eggnog contains raw eggs.
 

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We were on the subject of eggs in various posts, and I thought this bit might be interesting...


All eggs are not created the same...


Sustainable poultry eat grasses, greens, grains, and insects, whereas factory farm poultry are fed animal by-products such as bone, feathers, blood, manure, and animal parts, as well as grain, arsenic, mineral and vitamin supplements, enzymes, and antibiotics. If a farmer tells you that the feed was supplemented with anything, dig further to find out exactly what the supplements are.

This is an excerpt from a book entitled “Food Inc.” It refers to the situation in the US, but I think it's not much different from the Canadian scene. We have lots of factory chicken farms in Canada.

Countryboy, when we lived in Britain, it was all brown eggs, you hardly ever saw white eggs. Here in north America it is mostly white eggs. But I don’t think there is any difference in nutrition, it is just different kind of hen.
 

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I doubt very much if it's the food at McDonalds that attracts kids so much as the toys and gimmicks they hand out.
 

countryboy

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I take it the red pepper is Tobasco.. Also well known.. 8O

Hey Francis, the industrial food guys have even invaded the hot sauce business. Not sure if this applies to Avery Island (Tabasco's source), but it sure does to other brands. (I don't have a bottle so can't check the label) Now they've recently started adding Xanthan Gum to many of them, presumably to keep it from settling or just to make it look thicker. Gawd, it drives me nuts. Actually, it's driven me to make my own. Here's a little write-up on Xanthan Gum:

Xanthan gum is considered a polysaccharide in scientific circles, because it is a long chain of three different forms of sugar. What's important to know is that all three of these natural sugars are present in corn sugar, a derivative of the more familiar corn syrup. The Xanthomonas campestris bacteria literally eat a supply of this corn sugar under controlled conditions, and the digestion process converts the individual sugars into a single substance with properties similar to cornstarch. Xanthan gum is used in dairy products and salad dressings as a thickening agent and stabilizer. Xanthan gum prevents ice crystals from forming in ice creams, and also provides a 'fat feel' in low or no-fat dairy products.

Another use for xanthan gum is the stabilization and binding of cosmetic products. One advantage of xanthan gum is that a little goes an incredibly long way. Cosmetic manufacturers add a very small amount of xanthan gum to their cream-based products in order to keep the individual ingredients from separating. Despite the use of bacteria during processing, xanthan gum itself is not generally harmful to human skin or digestive systems, though some individuals may find they are allergic to it. Xanthan gum is often used whenever a gel-like quality is sought.

One lesser-known use of xanthan gum is in the oil industry. Oil companies often use water as a lubricant for oil well pumps, but regular water is not very thick. A natural thickener such as guar gum or xanthan gum can be added to the water in order to increase its viscosity, or thickness. You could think of this as turning tap water into 10W-40 motor oil. The thickened water keeps the drill parts lubricated and displaces more of the natural oil found in the deposit area.

Note that it is not added to anything to improve the nutritional value.

Here's a little tidbit that I pulled off of wisegeek.com in a forum on food additives, verbatim (and it's not an unusual comment on this subject):


"Guar, xanthan, cellulose and HFCS* should all be avoided. I get hives when I eat them in large quantity and diarrhea in smaller quantities. During stressful times in my life, my reaction to these ingredients would be increased. It took a long time to come to these realizations and now I am happy to say, no more chronic diarrhea after 20 years. It is a lot of work to remove these ingredients from your diet, since they are in most prepared foods." - anon51496

*HFCS = High Fructose Corn Syrup (and it ain't no health food!)
 

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Countryboy, when we lived in Britain, it was all brown eggs, you hardly ever saw white eggs. Here in north America it is mostly white eggs. But I don’t think there is any difference in nutrition, it is just different kind of hen.

Yes, that's my understanding of it. We do seem to be able to get brown eggs from local farms around here but I don't believe it makes any difference to the quality of them.
 

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Hey AnnaG, you probably wouldn't care for the delight in Asia called (translated roughly) "Thousand year old eggs." They're fermented eggs (duck, if I'm not mistaken) and they're a lovely shade of sticky blackish/green. Yummy! Just proves that food is all a matter of taste! :lol:

Countryboy, I have heard it referred to as ‘century egg’, I don’t know if you are referring to the same thing.

White exactly not for hundred years, in the old days, they used to keep the eggs curing for three months, before they were ready to eat.
 

countryboy

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...so does mayonaise

I think there is a manufacturing standard that calls for the "coddling" of the yolks to heat them just enough to kill salmonella or other bacteria. I don't know the term they use, but Grandma used to call her almost-raw eggs "coddled", which put them a notch or two below "poached", in my opinion...
 

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I think there is a manufacturing standard that calls for the "coddling" of the yolks to heat them just enough to kill salmonella or other bacteria. I don't know the term they use, but Grandma used to call her almost-raw eggs "coddled", which put them a notch or two below "poached", in my opinion...

I think you're right. If you're in good with Mister Greenjeans, you can still buy whole milk, free range (and ungraded) eggs and uninspected sides of beef or pork. The government is slowly working its way in for its cut off everything. As evidenced by lysteria, inspected doesn't mean safe.....
 

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I doubt very much if it's the food at McDonalds that attracts kids so much as the toys and gimmicks they hand out.

I think it is both, JLM. The toys hook the kids. Then when they grow up, they are not interested in toys any more, but they have got used to the taste of the food and keep frequenting the nearest McDonald’s.

These people are advertising geniuses.
 

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What are the "proper" times for eating?

I would guess at approximately the same time every day. As far as mother's teaching their kids about nutrition, that is very comical, it is mainly mothers I see at the grocery store loading up their carts with processed food and junk food. Definitely true for mothers under 40. You ever notice in a grocery store a whole fricken aisle is taken up with breakfast cereals, 90% of them are preloaded with sugar. Bran flakes, shredded wheat and oatmeal will suffice just fine thank you.
 

countryboy

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Countryboy, I have heard it referred to as ‘century egg’, I don’t know if you are referring to the same thing.

White exactly not for hundred years, in the old days, they used to keep the eggs curing for three months, before they were ready to eat.

I believe I have heard that term used in Asia as well. I think it's the 1,000 year old term in Singapore but I'm not sure. I was always too "grossed out" to remember exactly where I heard the terms used. Probably too preoccuupied with trying to remember where the men's room was!

Still on food, Singapore had at least a couple of restaurants where monkey brains were served. In a natural container. The live monkey was wired into a cage just under the table surface in front of the customer, with the top (crown) of its head protuding through a hole in the table surface. One "whikk" with a sharp machete took the top of its scalp off, leaving the fresh brains exposed. After the blood-curdling screeching subsided, a spoon was handed to the customer...

Well, it was fresh, there were no additives, and it was organic. :lol::lol::lol:
 

SirJosephPorter

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Hey Francis, the industrial food guys have even invaded the hot sauce business. Not sure if this applies to Avery Island (Tabasco's source), but it sure does to other brands. (I don't have a bottle so can't check the label) Now they've recently started adding Xanthan Gum to many of them, presumably to keep it from settling or just to make it look thicker. Gawd, it drives me nuts. Actually, it's driven me to make my own. Here's a little write-up on Xanthan Gum:

Xanthan gum is considered a polysaccharide in scientific circles, because it is a long chain of three different forms of sugar. What's important to know is that all three of these natural sugars are present in corn sugar, a derivative of the more familiar corn syrup. The Xanthomonas campestris bacteria literally eat a supply of this corn sugar under controlled conditions, and the digestion process converts the individual sugars into a single substance with properties similar to cornstarch. Xanthan gum is used in dairy products and salad dressings as a thickening agent and stabilizer. Xanthan gum prevents ice crystals from forming in ice creams, and also provides a 'fat feel' in low or no-fat dairy products.

Another use for xanthan gum is the stabilization and binding of cosmetic products. One advantage of xanthan gum is that a little goes an incredibly long way. Cosmetic manufacturers add a very small amount of xanthan gum to their cream-based products in order to keep the individual ingredients from separating. Despite the use of bacteria during processing, xanthan gum itself is not generally harmful to human skin or digestive systems, though some individuals may find they are allergic to it. Xanthan gum is often used whenever a gel-like quality is sought.

One lesser-known use of xanthan gum is in the oil industry. Oil companies often use water as a lubricant for oil well pumps, but regular water is not very thick. A natural thickener such as guar gum or xanthan gum can be added to the water in order to increase its viscosity, or thickness. You could think of this as turning tap water into 10W-40 motor oil. The thickened water keeps the drill parts lubricated and displaces more of the natural oil found in the deposit area.

Note that it is not added to anything to improve the nutritional value.

Here's a little tidbit that I pulled off of wisegeek.com in a forum on food additives, verbatim (and it's not an unusual comment on this subject):


"Guar, xanthan, cellulose and HFCS* should all be avoided. I get hives when I eat them in large quantity and diarrhea in smaller quantities. During stressful times in my life, my reaction to these ingredients would be increased. It took a long time to come to these realizations and now I am happy to say, no more chronic diarrhea after 20 years. It is a lot of work to remove these ingredients from your diet, since they are in most prepared foods." - anon51496

*HFCS = High Fructose Corn Syrup (and it ain't no health food!)

Countryboy, when we lived in Britain, I worked for three years for Food Research Institute in Norwich. We did research into food processing, I was not involved in nutrition.

Our objective was to learn how food behaves during the processing, in the mouth etc. with the view of identifying certain general principles, which would help food industry make a better product.

In that we studied food polysaccharides, particularly Xanthan gum, Carrageenan and Gellan gum.

As the website says, Xanthan is merely the waste product of a microorganism (so is gellen gum, by product of the microoganism psudomonas elodea, give or take a couple of letters). But it does have some interesting properties. Depending upon the condition, its viscosity can change by four orders of magnitude (by a factor of about 10,000). At low viscosity it becomes easy to process, but at high viscosity, it gives the feeling and texture of milk shake or ice cream in the mouth. It is a very useful additive to foods, which gives the same mouth feel as a milk shake at a fraction of the cost. It is used in sauces, ice cream, milk shakes, anywhere where thickness, high viscosity is desirable.

We also looked at Casein as a substitute for milk and cream in ice cream. It works very well (and at fraction of a cost of milk or cream), I think they do use casein as milk substitute in ice cream in some places.

Incidentally, not only it works very well, but Xanthan gum is also very low in calories. Having worked in food research for three years, you would be surprised at things food industry does, to give customer what he wants, a tasty, filling product full of texture at low cost.