Fat Kids

[AnnaG]

Nutritional info for eggs (Egg, white, raw, fresh):

Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Egg, white, raw, fresh

 

[countryboy]

CB, it maybe hard for the average consumer to do all those things but when your life or your child's life depends on it, you do it..

Reading the "ingredients table" is not harder or time consuming then reading the "Healthy" logo and blabber on the front..

Like I said earlier I read all those now and still get all my shopping done in the same time I used to.. It's all in what priority you look at life with.. Also, after a few times of looking at the tables, you get to know which is healthier and need not look so often..

Education is key and always has been.. If people think they came out of school and had learned everything they had fooled themselves.. I don't think there is any aspect in life that we need not keep educating ourselves..

"A day without learning something is like a day without sunshine." OK, so I borrowed some of the words from an old Florida Orange Growers ad, but I agree with you on the need for ongoing education.

In fact, turning it into a business of sorts might be an idea...people love seminars and such. I can see it all now - "Simply Eat Your Way To A Better Life, Naturally."

It has a ring to it, no?

 

[AnnaG]

Here I disagree with you, countryboy. Egg white is very healthy, rich in proteins, low in calories, no fat. The egg yolk on the other hand, while it does contain proteins, also contains fat and is one of the richest source of cholesterol known to humankind. Nutritionists recommend not eating more than say ten eggs per week, and that is because of the cholesterol in egg yolk. If you only eat the whites, you may eat six eggs a day and no harm done.

You're wrong in a few spots. I posted the nutritional info about eggs.
Just in case you didn't read it, here's Wiki's version:
Nutritional value per 100 g (3.5 oz) Energy 201 kJ (48 kcal) Carbohydrates 0.73 g Fat 0.17 g Protein 10.90 g Tryptophan 0.125 g Threonine 0.449 g Isoleucine 0.661 g Leucine 1.016 g Lysine 0.806 g Methionine 0.399 g Cystine 0.287 g Phenylalanine 0.686 g Tyrosine 0.457 g Valine 0.809 g Arginine 0.648 g Histidine 0.290 g Alanine 0.704 g Aspartic acid 1.220 g Glutamic acid 1.550 g Glycine 0.413 g Proline 0.435 g Serine 0.798 g Water 87.57 g Vitamin A equiv. 0 μg (0%) Thiamine (Vit. B1) 0.004 mg (0%) Riboflavin (Vit. B2) 0.439 mg (29%) Pantothenic acid (B5) 0.190 mg (4%) Folate (Vit. B9) 4 μg (1%) Calcium 7 mg (1%) Iron 0.08 mg (1%) Magnesium 11 mg (3% Phosphorus 15 mg (2%) Potassium 163 mg (3%) Zinc 0.03 mg (0%) Choline 1.1 mg Cholesterol 0 mg

 

[Francis2004]

Oh sure. In fact, it was a great recipe for a "morning after" drink if one had a nasty hangover. We used to stir a raw egg into a glass of tomato juice back in the country and just "drink 'er down"...it worked (if you could keep it down!)...

It's not unusual in Japan for people to drink/eat a raw egg or two if they're feeling a bit "poorly." They believe that eggs really are "nature's perfect food" but they haven't been as bombarded with all the "yes, they're good" and "no, they're not" studies that we have seen over the years. Here's hoping they never do.

By the way, an interesting tidbit...eggs sold in supermarkets in Japan are never refrigerated. They see no need for it, as it comes in its own protective container...the shell.

Yes we all know about the tomato juice one.. lol :roll:

As for the eggs not being refrigerated I am not surprised..

As in England milk is kept in counters.. Often up to 6 months..

 

[VanIsle]

we are the opposite here, I can lose weight as soon as I
serve myself smaller portions, where my husband (italian)
holds his fat longer, that's just how people are, but it
still remains that the portions must be smaller if one is
to lose weight/size, weight doesn't necessarily come down
if you are eating less and excercising, as size can come
down considerably, but one is gaining muscle, which is
heavier than fat. He will get smaller eventually, he
needs to move around more, he isn't one to do that, unless
he is doing something he enjoys, but it won't be planned
excercise, but he will walk up on the mountain while hunting, or walk while golfing, but won't walk for 'nothing'. I love to walk long distances.
There is no other way to get smaller and lose weight than
eating less, eating better and excercising, so people must zero in on that concept, instead of dancing around it.
And, if people are eating because of 'other' problems in
their lives, it still comes down to the fact, that eventually when they decide to address their weight problem
the must eat less, eat right and excercise.
Moving the body by doing something vigorous, makes the
mind happier, once a person gets past their own hatred of
doing 'something' to care for their bodies.

I'm sure you are not the only one but it is a given that generally speaking, men lose weight at a much faster rate than women do. I'm speaking of a man and a woman who are eating a recommended amount of food for their size and age. My husband doesn't exercise at all. He moves far less in a day then I do. My job is on my feet and at least moving my body all day. His is sitting down using the computer his whole shift or maybe even listening to music. At home he mostly watches TV or uses the computer. Actual exercise is never on his agenda. He promises to walk with me but never keeps that promise. I could make food that he believed was dieting just because I tell him it is because he actually doesn't know. He could know but he doesn't bother finding out. He's somewhat like our daughter-in-law that way. She thinks she knows but doesn't. Because she thinks she knows, she sees no need to find out. I think a lot of people are that way. Lots of people think eggs are not fattening. After all - they are small and the portion is not large so hey - they must not be fattening. I do know well that muscle is heavier than fat.

 

[AnnaG]

"If the information is wrong, I couldn’t care less."

That may be the reason why we have Fat Kids. Perhaps we're assuming that because the breakfast cereal box says "healthy" or "contains fruit" or other such nonsense, we think we're eatin' good.

I mentioned in earlier posts that "education" might be the key to the whole thing. And before we all jump to conclusions about what I mean by that, I am NOT talking about lecturing fat people on the need to eat less and exercise more.

What I am talking about is taking this entire subject of food, sorting it all out right down to the basics, and then coming up with a way to get the message across about how eating has a direct impact on health, not just weight gain or loss, although that's one of the indicators that something might be going wrong.

It's hard for the average consumer - who is busy and has little time to shop, cook, or read exhaustive articles on nutrition - to understand this "you are what you eat" thing. Add to that all the low fat, low carb, low this, low that, advertising that comes our way every day and you have a recipe for disaster. Misinformation and far too much of it is a bad thing.

So, I'm saying the challenge is to get the message (you are what you eat) across in a way that works. I am making the assumption that most people are smart and will respond to that "message", if it's created and presented effectively. The creating and presenting is the hard part though...I don't have the magic answers but they're out there somewhere.

A good start might be to include a basic course on it in elementary school and continue it right through high school. "Spaced repetition" works, if it's done in an interesting way. It's just one thought...

Yup. There's a lot of misinformation out there.
Here's a little good info on the cholesterol thing:

Why Eggs Don't Contribute Much Cholesterol To Diet

So basically, if you want to reduce your cholesterol, one way would be to eat more eggs.

 

[VanIsle]

Yes we all know about the tomato juice one.. lol :roll:

As for the eggs not being refrigerated I am not surprised..

As in England milk is kept in counters.. Often up to 6 months..

I don't care what country does it - I would not eat an egg that was not refrigerated. Maybe the problem here is what we feed the chickens but - that won't change my mind regarding refrigeration regardless.

As for milk - we have it in cartons on the shelf too. I've never tried drinking it but I imagine it's not something I would rush to buy. I guess it's good if you have to take milk somewhere where refrigeration is not possible. People here bring refrigerated milk back if they realize they have purchased it on the "best before date" and they bring back things like yogurt as well. I never understand why people don't check the date before they buy.

 

[countryboy]

Here I disagree with you, countryboy. Egg white is very healthy, rich in proteins, low in calories, no fat. The egg yolk on the other hand, while it does contain proteins, also contains fat and is one of the richest source of cholesterol known to humankind. Nutritionists recommend not eating more than say ten eggs per week, and that is because of the cholesterol in egg yolk. If you only eat the whites, you may eat six eggs a day and no harm done.

And you found egg white omelet tasteless probably because it was not prepared properly. And there is no way it was lacking in overall nutrition. As I said, egg white is nutrition and nothing else. Egg yolk is nutrition plus fat plus a big wallop of cholesterol.

You might want to check around for a broader facts base. That old thing about eating so many eggs per week is just that - old.

Your point on cholesterol is also lacking in scope - there is good cholesterol and bad cholesterol, but the real issue - in terms of health - is how the body handles it...gets rid of the bad cholesterol. You need cholesterol in order to live (it's a natural part of the body), but it's gotten a bad rap over the years in various studies that are now being challenged and refuted. You just have to keep an open mind and keep looking for the facts, if you are to try and understand it. I, for one, like to see "proof" on these things. :smile:

Conventional medical thinking is a bit behind on this one, but of course, doctors don't spend a lot of time getting trained on nutrition...how many hours/days on average is nutrition taught in a typical medical school?

A naturopathic doctor is far more qualified to talk about what should go into the body to make it work better, and they understand the concept that every body is a bit different. Conventional medicine works on averages, which means that much of what they dole out is a bit of a compromise, at best, when it comes to preventative medicine.

I don't think my egg whites were prepared improperly, but you could be right. I'm a bit of a "foodie" and, in addition to having cooked meals throughout my teen and adult life, I keep a fair number of weird an unusual ingredients around in the kitchen. I'm also a huge fan of "ayurvedic" spices (typically East Indian varieties) and buy them all in bulk. I grind and blend them myself, including my own custom versions of garam masala and chan masala, both of which I blend and roast myself in small quantities to preserve the rich tastes. The real payoff in ayurvedic cooking - beyond the wonderful flavours - is the fact that each spice resonates with a different frequency of "universal energy", which makes them a very healthy choice to help balance the energies of the body. And that energy is what can heal pretty much anything, if you get it all working right. Yeah, I know it sounds weird but I like the challenge of fooling around with them to see how they work. If nothing else, try adding turmeric to some of your food...it's a pretty good "additive."

I also keep a great number of fresh herbs around in season, and dry them for the off seasons (if they refuse to grow in the house in winter). I scrounge around constantly for 4 or 5 different varieties of dried chilis - including ancho (a dried poblano) because they taste good and the capsicum in them is healthy. I also harvest and freeze around 200 lbs. of "real" tomatoes each fall to keep them around for cooking in the winter. I buy real farm eggs, grass-fed beef, pasture-fed (free range) chickens and turkeys as I can get them, and get a bi-weekly crate of organic fruits and veggies through the local health food store during the off-season. The local food co-op does that duty during the "on" season around here.

We also eat a fair amount of Asian food (partner is Japanese) and that offers a huge variety of flavours and things to work with...most of which are based on basic veggies, beans (pulses), and some grains, like buckwheat for soba noodles.

Why did I bring this all up (while you were eating, as the old joke goes...)? Well, I guess I believe rather strongly in the "You are what you eat" thing and I thought it might provoke a bit more discussion on the whole subject of food if people see how a simple ol' country boy eats out here in the middle of nowhere. If nothing else, it'll surely promote a few wisecracks but hey, a little laughter is a good healing thing too! :lol:

 

[AnnaG]

Oh sure. In fact, it was a great recipe for a "morning after" drink if one had a nasty hangover. We used to stir a raw egg into a glass of tomato juice back in the country and just "drink 'er down"...it worked (if you could keep it down!)...

Water worked for me. I don't drink much at a time anymore, though.

It's not unusual in Japan for people to drink/eat a raw egg or two if they're feeling a bit "poorly." They believe that eggs really are "nature's perfect food" but they haven't been as bombarded with all the "yes, they're good" and "no, they're not" studies that we have seen over the years. Here's hoping they never do.

By the way, an interesting tidbit...eggs sold in supermarkets in Japan are never refrigerated. They see no need for it, as it comes in its own protective container...the shell.

As long as they are out of the sun, they are fine.

 

[Francis2004]

I don't care what country does it - I would not eat an egg that was not refrigerated. Maybe the problem here is what we feed the chickens but - that won't change my mind regarding refrigeration regardless.

As for milk - we have it in cartons on the shelf too. I've never tried drinking it but I imagine it's not something I would rush to buy. I guess it's good if you have to take milk somewhere where refrigeration is not possible. People here bring refrigerated milk back if they realize they have purchased it on the "best before date" and they bring back things like yogurt as well. I never understand why people don't check the date before they buy.

Not Sure VanIsle.. I would not chance an egg that was not refrigerated but then that is what I am used to..

It was hard to drink warm milk.. Even harder to use it in cereals but ok for tea and coffee.. I believe it has to do with pasteurization.. Country boy is probably better equipped to explain that one.. :smile:

But here is a link to British milk ..

Moo: Product information

 

[countryboy]

I think the knowledge is already available, I assume they do teach courses in nutrition in high school (if they don’t you are right, they ought to). The problem is putting the knowledge into practice, that is easier said than done.

What's that old customer service slogan? "The difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a little longer." :lol:

I think you are right (jeez, this is almost scary) that putting it into practice is the challenge, but it's a good one. My 2 daughters went to high school here in BC and I'm certain that nutrition wasn't part of the program. I'm not saying it isn't available anywhere, but I didn't see it.

I think it should be as basic as English...in fact, it should be at the top of the list, because it involves the basic well-being of every single person, no matter what their interests might be. We all gotta' eat.

 

[AnnaG]

I don't care what country does it - I would not eat an egg that was not refrigerated. Maybe the problem here is what we feed the chickens but - that won't change my mind regarding refrigeration regardless.

As for milk - we have it in cartons on the shelf too. I've never tried drinking it but I imagine it's not something I would rush to buy. I guess it's good if you have to take milk somewhere where refrigeration is not possible. People here bring refrigerated milk back if they realize they have purchased it on the "best before date" and they bring back things like yogurt as well. I never understand why people don't check the date before they buy.

We got storebought milk on our way home from holidays once. It was Dairyland 2%. We used a bit of it and wasn't impressed with the lack of flavor. We got some raw milk and separated it ourselves and used that. 2 weeks after the due date on the store-bought milk was past, it was still the bland junk that we bought. It went into the garden. I get suspicious when the shelflife is longer than the prediction says it is.

 

[lone wolf]

Carbonated? It gives a longer shelf life.

 

[AnnaG]

Why did I bring this all up (while you were eating, as the old joke goes...)? Well, I guess I believe rather strongly in the "You are what you eat" thing and I thought it might provoke a bit more discussion on the whole subject of food if people see how a simple ol' country boy eats out here in the middle of nowhere. If nothing else, it'll surely promote a few wisecracks but hey, a little laughter is a good healing thing too! :lol:

I prefer "Your body is only as good as what goes into it".

Have you ever noticed that you can smell people sometimes and some people just smell wrong?

 

[Francis2004]

What's that old customer service slogan? "The difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a little longer." :lol:

I think you are right (jeez, this is almost scary) that putting it into practice is the challenge, but it's a good one. My 2 daughters went to high school here in BC and I'm certain that nutrition wasn't part of the program. I'm not saying it isn't available anywhere, but I didn't see it.

I think it should be as basic as English...in fact, it should be at the top of the list, because it involves the basic well-being of every single person, no matter what their interests might be. We all gotta' eat.

My daughter just went thru a "food" class in high school in BC.. I would hardly call it "nutrition class" however.. I think we parents need to do more of the education of our kids as the system can only do so much.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Several Off-Topic, or Name-Calling, or Left-Right Political Spectrum Nonsense,
or general Sniping posts that didn't contribute to the Thread have been removed
or edited. The Topic is "Fat Kids."

 

[JLM]

"You may not like McDonald’s JLM, but it happens to be very popular."- Yeah, with kids aged 2 to 17, mature adults don't frequent those places, well maybe that's not strictly true I was rushed for time on a couple of occasions when shopping in a dept. store where Mcs was attached, but I only eat their chicken sandwich and if I think about it I specify fries unsalted. Their coffee is OK, big deal so's mine that I make at home for about 20 cents a cup.

 

[talloola]

Water worked for me. I don't drink much at a time anymore, though.

As long as they are out of the sun, they are fine.

you'd have to pay me a lot of money to eat a raw egg,
I love eggs, cooked many different ways, never raw, and
never unrefrigerated, they can go rotton quickly, smell
awful, and contain lots of bacteria.
I would not eat raw fish, ever. I love skim milk by the
glass, have always loved milk. I have cream in my one
coffee a day.

 

[JLM]

Several Off-Topic, or Name-Calling, or Left-Right Political Spectrum Nonsense,
or general Sniping posts that didn't contribute to the Thread have been removed
or edited. The Topic is "Fat Kids."

Too bad I didn't get time to read the sh*t before you deleted it, I was out getting my daily exercise....................................:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[AnnaG]

My daughter just went thru a "food" class in high school in BC.. I would hardly call it "nutrition class" however.. I think we parents need to do more of the education of our kids as the system can only do so much.

Yup. I think it's ultimately the parents' responsibility to educate their kids about what "good food" constitutes.