If an individual is not a Canadian citizen, deportation should take exactly the amount of time required to establish that fact, get an escourt, drive the SOB to an airport and put him on a plane.
ONLY Canadian citizens have a right to be here.
Islam – The enemy within itself-
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If an individual is not a Canadian citizen, deportation should take exactly the amount of time required to establish that fact, get an escourt, drive the SOB to an airport and put him on a plane.
ONLY Canadian citizens have a right to be here.
This is a little over the edge, Jack........
Muslims have every right to be Muslim.....the attacks between Shia and Sunni are an atrocity......or a growing string of atrocities.
The vast vast majority of Muslims are simple, decent folks.
Now, having said that, I believe Muslims that wish to stay in the west need to understand and accept basic western principles.....gender equality, the rule of secular law over religious law, etc. If they do not wish to accept...indeed adopt, western culture....fire 'em the **** out before they become citizens.
In a nutshell, if your wife is wearing a burqa, you don't belong in Canada.
Full stop.
I am coming to the opinion we should deport any one of them we can, but they must be doing something wrong, like going over seas and fighting for the other side while Canadian troops are engaged in the theatre o f war. If required, the
government should enact the war measures act, there by suspending the rights of the people in question, and if its determined they are not loyal out they go.
government should enact the war measures act, there by suspending the rights of the people in question, and if its determined they are not loyal out they go.
It's not over the edge at all.
Why do we insist on denying the obvious. Both Christians and Jews, in the West, have long stopped killing each other over long-past historical incidents. Can we say that about Islam, where grievances over 1000 years old are still being avenged? Or for that matter the insistence, even of moderate Muslims, that all real estate previously controlled by Muslims must be reclaimed and that countries such as Israel and, yes India, are by definition illegitimate?
But again I ask you, what is the problem if they try to modify, change the established traditions here? Once they became citizens, they are as much a part of Canada as you and I, and they have a perfect right to try to change the traditions here.
I would want to the motive for the change.
I would want to the motive for the change.
Ahhh....ever hear of Ireland?????
Or the Balkans, where the big divide between Croat and Serb is Catholic and Orthodox.......
Or the "Christian" mass murder of Jews in the Second World War, a mere 65 years ago......
Now, I am just making a point that moderate Islam is not far behind the Judeo-Christian bell curve on violence....I do agree that we have a serious problem with fundamentalist Islam.....and with Islam in the west. Islam does not tolerate dissent.
Oh, and you forgot Spain....part of the old Islamic Empire.......
And not to forget the immortal words of George Dubbya when invading the Muslim countries of Iraq and Afghanistan that this was a "crusade" - a continuation of a thousand odd years of war between Christians and Muslims.
Read this 5 part article and see what the hardliners from Hamas, Hezbollah , Taliban and all the other wing nuts want - and it Ain't peace on earth for Non Muslims - or Muslims that fail to adhere to their version -
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/18/world/asia/18hostage.html
That sounds like you are a real Neo Con - Pehaps a decent reply would be in order?
Are the hard liners of the christian fundies any different? The Problem here is that nobody ever asks why they have developed such a hate on for the west. "They must be just nuts because we are just and compassionate people. Why do they hate us?" The answer lies in history not His Story. (Hint: look at US foreign policy as it pertains to the middle east and south east Asia.)
Yes the West has many things to atone for - But with these people it does not matter - They are still living in the 12th Century - And ye the hard line fundies arent strapping bombs to themselves and blowing themselves up killing hundres - or setting of truck bombs that kill and maim hundres - How can you even make a comparision?
10s of thousands of troops, air craft carriers, missiles, fighter jets, bombers - we bombed Iraq into the dark ages, destroyed their infrastructure. Same in Afghanistan. You wonder why they are in the dark ages. We bombed them there. Israel bombed Lebanon into the dark ages with the help of US hardware, the Palestinians into oblivion. Sorry, but the comparisons pale in magnitude to western interference.
Cliffy
No argument from me on Iraq - Problem was as always after Saddam fell the hate lead to a civil war with Blood feuds running back decades - power - position and revenge - look at how the minority Sunni treated the rest of Iraq's -
Afghanistan - never left the dark ages -
The invasion with US support mostly air - sent the Taliban on their way - And they still are in the dark ages - Clans - look at Northern Afghanistan - Not so much Taliban - reason - They are Pushton in the South - Perhaps you should also look at how the Arabs have use Israel as the bogeyman - diverting attention away from their own failures - look at any Arab country and they Al - all rule with terror - some more so than others -
Now look at Indonesia - Muslim country - totally different - I wonder why -
Pakistan backed and still do the Taliban and other Terror org because of India - Those are just some of the facts on the ground -
The West is not the root cause of all their problems - They are. They do what their Mullahs order - Remember the cartoons of Mohamed - These were taken by Arabs and the cartoons were added to - why - to cause hate - Again they are their own worst enemy because they live in the 12th century - the glory years of power - much akin to Mussolini - and his ideas of grandeur.
You did miss the third option: just keep to your own group.
But we can extend this even further. Let's suppose you round up the local Hispanics at gun point, force them to learn your language and maybe kill some of the more assertive among them in the process, and then invite all your family over. Then what are the obligations of the children of these Hispanics? Should they learn your children's language once they've been made a majority by force, or do they acknowledge the wrongs of history and try to learn the local language even if it is the minority one seeing that it was forced into minority status by the once minority now turned majority?
Let's not forget that town has a history too.
Very much different....I was giving a historical perspective on Christian/Jewush violence.....but do the comparison......
When there were cartoons printed in a Danish newspaper that depicted Islam in a bad light, how many died in riots? Years later, we are still arresting idiots planning to kill Dane editors etc.
When the Piss Christ (a crucifix suspended in urine) was shown in a New York art gallery, how many died??? NONE. Small protest at the government tax money spent in support of the gallery.....that was it.
There is a serious problem with the intolerance inherent in the Muslim religion.........Christianity is, in its highest form, a religion of choice between good and evil for the individual.........Islam means "submission".....forced if not voluntary.
That is the essence of the two conflicting philosophies.
Pick a side.
Why? I chose not to pick sides because most religious and political "sides" are wrong. This probably stems from the fact that we live in the Matrix.
Exactly, as soon as we "pick a side" we define who is "other." I have yet to meet a person because of his race, colour, ethnicity, nationality, or religion I didn't like!
Too much hate; too little reason!
There is no separation except in the minds of humans. That brother over there is as much a part of me as I am of him. If I hate that person or group, I am basically hating a part of myself and self hatred is the only sin.
Very good quote Cliffy, except the word sin infers a religious law was broken. But seriously "If I hate that person or group, I am basically hating a part of myself" is the only thing you needed to say.