Islam – The enemy within itself-

[Cliffy]

Honestly, neither.
What's wrong with the old gods? Woden'sday child is full of whoa!

"Woa, woa, tabernacle!!"

Fighting over religion is senseless. All major religions have had there day and have proven to be lacking. I like the old gods because they represented parts of the human psyche but they too have out lived their usefulness. I really think it is about time we started looking at ourselves as a source of inspiration. As long as we are looking externally, we are avoiding our responsibility to take care of our own problems. We need common sense more than we need gods.

 

[Spade]

"Woa, woa, tabernacle!!"

Fighting over religion is senseless. All major religions have had there day and have proven to be lacking. I like the old gods because they represented parts of the human psyche but they too have out lived their usefulness. I really think it is about time we started looking at ourselves as a source of inspiration. As long as we are looking externally, we are avoiding our responsibility to take care of our own problems. We need common sense more than we need gods.

I don't know, Cliff...
What's not to like about Wodin? Reminds me of a cousin or two!

 

[Spade]

Geez, Wodin's shy today!

 

[Lou Garu]

"Woa, woa, tabernacle!!"

Fighting over religion is senseless. All major religions have had there day and have proven to be lacking. I like the old gods because they represented parts of the human psyche but they too have out lived their usefulness. I really think it is about time we started looking at ourselves as a source of inspiration. As long as we are looking externally, we are avoiding our responsibility to take care of our own problems. We need common sense more than we need gods.

Here, Here !

 

[Lou Garu]

I like most Muslims I meet, very hospitable, welcoming people *gasp* just like regular folks. And here's a hint: if you're nice to the old ladies, they'll feed you.

A lot!!!

 

[YukonJack]

A few years ago, when I was still working, I invited a collegue of mine to dinner, who happened to be from Egypt, i.e. Muslim. My wife and I prepared a dinner with two main courses: Baked salmon and Baked Ham, with the fish - obviously - for our friends, and the ham for ourselves.

(By the way, we had the idea of separate dinner in response to our invitation and acceptance of a dinner invitation by the same friends, who presented Baked Salmon and Baked Ham).

At our house, - let me make a long story short - the fish suffered the most regrettable neglect, while the HAM proved to be in short supply.

Made me wonder what Mohammed's favourite food was.

Made me wonder later, what hypocrisy is.

 

[Goober]

A few years ago, when I was still working, I invited a collegue of mine to dinner, who happened to be from Egypt, i.e. Muslim. My wife and I prepared a dinner with two main courses: Baked salmon and Baked Ham, with the fish - obviously - for our friends, and the ham for ourselves.

(By the way, we had the idea of separate dinner in response to our invitation and acceptance of a dinner invitation by the same friends, who presented Baked Salmon and Baked Ham).

At our house, - let me make a long story short - the fish suffered the most regrettable neglect, while the HAM proved to be in short supply.

Made me wonder what Mohammed's favourite food was.

Made me wonder later, what hypocrisy is.

YJ

Proves nothing -I have met many Muslims that do not adhere to the dietary laws.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

YJ

Proves nothing -I have met many Muslims that do not adhere to the dietary laws.

Indeed. I know a few with whom you can enjoy a pint of beer.

 

[Cliffy]

Indeed. I know a few with whom you can enjoy a pint of beer.

Lotsa christians eat pork (and boink their neighbours wives too).

 

[Goober]

Indeed. I know a few with whom you can enjoy a pint of beer.

SJP
I got well into my cups on many an occasion with Bosnian Muslims – They did not adhere to the dietary rules but did adhere during Ramadan -

 

[YukonJack]

Downhome_Woman, on response to your post #96, don't you think that those of the Islamic persuation wish anything less than the total destruction of Christianity?

 

[Goober]

Downhome_Woman, on response to your post #96, don't you think that those of the Islamic persuation wish anything less than the total destruction of Christianity?

YJ – not stepping in for DHW but that would be akin to every Christian wanting the destruction of every other religion on this planet – Then they would follow up with the destruction of those that differ within that particular religion – Catholics – Protestants - etc– and on and on – Much the same as communist purges – each one led to a further and more extensive purge.

 

[Sparrow]

Sparrow, that doesn’t make sense. Are you saying that they forced everybody to attend college on Sunday?

Do you have a link to this? I would be very surprised if they changed the schedule for everybody in order to accommodate a small minority. Anyway, please put up a link.

Unable to give you a link because this is my friend's granddaughter. I learned about it from her.

 

[Goober]

Unable to give you a link because this is my friend's granddaughter. I learned about it from her.

Sparrow – Then get a name for this facility – it should be easy to find information -

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Sparrow – Then get a name for this facility – it should be easy to find information -

Quite so, Goober. Googling the name of the institution may well give a link to the policy (assuming there is one).

 

[lone wolf]

Porter: Isn't you requesting a link a tad hypocritical?

 

[Goober]

This is in the US - but the so called Toronto 18 also attemted mass slaughter - anyone who thinks this cannot occur in Canada is not facing reality.
Fugitive son of Detroit Imam arrested in Windsor

The fugitive son of an Imam shot dead by U.S. federal agents Wednesday was arrested Thursday in downtown Windsor and in the custody Canadian border authorities, the FBI said in a statement.Mujahid Carswell, 30, also known as Mujahid Abdullah, was arrested by RCMP officers at about 1 p.m. Thursday without incident after police blocked off a downtown street and surrounded a house with a tactical team. He was witnessed being whisked away in a prisoner transport van and is currently in the custody of the Canada Border Services Agency on immigration violations.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/canadians-blind-to-terror-threat-top-spy/article1344070/

Canadians are blind to the threat posed by terrorists who publicly espouse their rights while privately believing in nothing but “nihilism and death,” Canada's new spy chief says.

“We have a serious blind spot as a country,” said Dick Fadden, who was appointed the head of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service this summer.Public skepticism about intelligence agencies has built to a point where being an accused terrorist in Canada is now akin to being a “status symbol” in certain quarters, he lamented.The speech Thursday at a security-intelligence conference amounts to Mr. Fadden's public debut as a CSIS director. A peeved, almost bellicose tone, marked his comments, as he pushed back against recent intelligence controversies.A career civil servant, Mr. Fadden complained that the public too readily embraces terrorism suspects as “folk heroes” and too eagerly dismisses government intelligence to the contrary. He said that security and liberty should not viewed as a zero-sum balancing act, but rather as a DNA double-helix structure where the two strands reinforce one another.“I would argue security is a human right,” he said, adding that “terrorists are the ultimate enemies” of liberal-democratic states.

 

[barney]

Haven't read the whole thread but in reference to the OP: deporting people is a complicated business. If you start making changes to the law it could blow up in your face (i.e. it can be used for other purposes--think: deporting people for their legitimate political beliefs; e.g. activists).

As for CSIS's take on terrorism in Canada: nice little fascistic spiel Fadden put together there. I see the spy boys are pressing the paranoid button again. Short on funding are we? "Status symbols"...is he for real? The only time Canadians complain (a bit) is when a Muslim CANADIAN gets taken for a terrorist even when the overwhelming evidence shows he's not. Otherwise most people in Canada, including those of Muslim background would love nothing better than to see these fanatics and their lot get kicked out of the country. Who do you think provided authorities with info on those 18 guys? Muslims! (And highly religious ones at that.)

 

[Goober]

Haven't read the whole thread but in reference to the OP: deporting people is a complicated business. If you start making changes to the law it could blow up in your face (i.e. it can be used for other purposes--think: deporting people for their legitimate political beliefs; e.g. activists).

As for CSIS's take on terrorism in Canada: nice little fascistic spiel Fadden put together there. I see the spy boys are pressing the paranoid button again. Short on funding are we? "Status symbols"...is he for real? The only time Canadians complain (a bit) is when a Muslim CANADIAN gets taken for a terrorist even when the overwhelming evidence shows he's not. Otherwise most people in Canada, including those of Muslim background would love nothing better than to see these fanatics and their lot get kicked out of the country. Who do you think provided authorities with info on those 18 guys? Muslims! (And highly religious ones at that.)

Barney As for CSIS take - the Federal Court ordered that information provided by other countries be made available - That in itself would stop all sharing of intelligence - so you would get dumber as the day goes on.

As to the Muslim who was deemed to be not a terrorist - who are you referring to -

Deportation - We have in Canada a convicted Palestinian Terrorist - the Govt - Both Lib and Cons have been trying to deport this terrorist for 20 years ( approx) and you think that reform is a complicated business - really informed decision on that one -

 

[barney]

Barney As for CSIS take - the Federal Court ordered that information provided by other countries be made available - That in itself would stop all sharing of intelligence - so you would get dumber as the day goes on.

You mean sources in those countries? Don't understand. The best information these days is obtained via surveillance done by your own people, not potentially biased and unreliable informants.

As to the Muslim who was deemed to be not a terrorist - who are you referring to -

Maher Arar obviously.

Deportation - We have in Canada a convicted Palestinian Terrorist - the Govt - Both Lib and Cons have been trying to deport this terrorist for 20 years ( approx) and you think that reform is a complicated business - really informed decision on that one -

Deportation and all that goes with it is very much a complicated business (assuming you're remotely just about it). It takes a long time precisely because it's complicated. Reforming it is therefore also complicated because of legal implications. I'm sure efficiency could be improved but then again that could be said of so many areas of the public sector--kicking people out is not high on the list.