Islam – The enemy within itself-

[SirJosephPorter]

I have no problem with people celebrating their own holidays and having their own traditions, where I have a problem is when some folks want to change the celebrations we have already established and are mainstream.

But again I ask you, what is the problem if they try to modify, change the established traditions here? Once they became citizens, they are as much a part of Canada as you and I, and they have a perfect right to try to change the traditions here.

I don't have a problem with people and traditions except when they want to go by
their own Muslim law like its part of our legal system.

Now here you are talking of something totally different, don’t confuse law with tradition. The law must be obeyed (though even here they have the right to try to change the law). Tradition on the other hand, are evolving all the time, not cast in stone and anybody is welcome to try to change it.

We have established traditions in this country and I maintain that people coming here should respect them, they don't have to observe them but they should respect them.

Respect them, yes. But they also have the right to try to change them.

However there is a group of people who think we are the evil west. If they don't like it here then they can always find somewhere else where they would be happy.

Here I agree with you. But don’t lump these people with majority of the minorities here, some of whom may want to change the tradition. There is nothing evil about trying to change the traditions. After all somebody started the traditions some time, they probably encountered similar opposition, similar hostilities in the old days.

 

[Cliffy]

There is nothing evil about trying to change the traditions. After all somebody started the traditions some time, they probably encountered similar opposition, similar hostilities in the old days.

Yes. Someone came here and imposed their traditions on the pagan aboriginals. I would welcome others who come here to impose their traditions on those uppity christians.

 

[Spade]

Yes. Someone came here and imposed their traditions on the pagan aboriginals. I would welcome others who come here to impose their traditions on those uppity christians.

Yup, Cliiff, as I said before, Christianity is the Monsanto of religions. Question: are Christian nutbars "round-up ready"?

 

[petros]

No, but the they a ready to be rounded up.

 

[DaSleeper]

Maybe Quebec had the right idea with accommodements raisonables
See PPS............. Accomodements Raisonnables

And turn on the sound if you understand French:lol:

 

[Spade]

Maybe Quebec had the right idea with accommodements raisonables
See PPS............. Accomodements Raisonnables

And turn on the sound if you understand French:lol:

You mean no nuns or maybe none knows?

 

[petros]

Mmmmmm.............raisons

 

[Spade]

Mmmmmm.............raisons

deux scoops

 

[DaSleeper]

Another way to put it is.........
You and a friend decide to go to a small Mexican village of a few hundreds for an extended stay...
Do you.....
1....try to learn the language and customs and mix with the population.....?or

2... try to get everyone there to learn your language and customs.....?

During the whole time ....you are free to leave any time you wish........

 

[darkbeaver]

However there is
a group of people who think we are the evil west. If they don't like it here then
they can always find somewhere else where they would be happy.

I'm a native Canadian who also thinks the west is evil and I have tax bills and ongoing battles with pot holes and disintegrating infrastructure coupled to a collapsing economy entering great hyperinflation and global depression. Of course my bloody western government is evil, it's greedy, it's incompetent, it's stupid and it's top heavy with useless crats and crawling with private banking scum all under the leadership of the solar systems worst imaginable liars and thieves. Now you got something to be grumpy about and by the way I don't have to find anywhere else because it's going to get fixed by nice socialists.;-)

 

[Spade]

Another way to put it is.........
You and a friend decide to go to a small Mexican village of a few hundreds for an extended stay...
Do you.....
1....try to learn the language and customs and mix with the population.....?or

2... try to get everyone there to learn your language and customs.....?

During the whole time ....you are free to leave any time you wish........

Ahhh, you're referring to Cortes!
Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Spade]

Let no man "moque" the importance of the Holy Toast to our NA " haute culture"
YouTube - Jesus Toast Sells on eBay

 

[DaSleeper]

Let no man "moque" the importance of the Holy Toast to our NA " haute culture"
YouTube - Jesus Toast Sells on eBay

 

[darkbeaver]

People should be very afraid, they may have children.

 

[coldstream]

As to the original post. There is no way the Islam will ever develop the way Christianity has. What you see in the Taliban, in Wahabee, in the Ayatollahs, IS the real Islam, undiluted with Western 'contamination'. The Koran offers no ambiguity, or a place for reason, conscience to inform faith. Islam is about unquestioning Submission. It in this way the opposite of the Christian process of conversion. There is no ambiguity, no revelation in Islam. There is only the Law, and vengeance, amputations, beheadings, stonings, lashings.. page after page of it in their Holy Book.

 

[Goober]

I like most Muslims I meet, very hospitable, welcoming people *gasp* just like regular folks. And here's a hint: if you're nice to the old ladies, they'll feed you.

Said ! - what post are you referring to?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

As to the original post. There is no way the Islam will ever develop the way Christianity has. What you see in the Taliban, in Wahabee, in the Ayatollahs, IS the real Islam, undiluted with Western 'contamination'. The Koran offers no ambiguity, or a place for reason, conscience to inform faith. Islam is about unquestioning Submission. It in this way the opposite of the Christian process of conversion. There is no ambiguity, no revelation in Islam. There is only the Law, and vengeance, amputations, beheadings, stonings, lashings.. page after page of it in their Holy Book.

Bible is fully as nasty, Coldstream, I am sure you are aware of what it says about homosexuals (Leviticus prescribes death penalty for them), witches (‘thou shalt not suffer a witch to live’, Exodus), about women, about unbelievers etc.

As a book I don’t think Bible is much better than Koran. The big difference is that most Christians do not take the Bible literally, even the so called Fundamentalists don’t take it literally. The same cannot be said of Muslims.

 

[Goober]

Bible is fully as nasty, Coldstream, I am sure you are aware of what it says about homosexuals (Leviticus prescribes death penalty for them), witches (‘thou shalt not suffer a witch to live’, Exodus), about women, about unbelievers etc.

As a book I don’t think Bible is much better than Koran. The big difference is that most Christians do not take the Bible literally, even the so called Fundamentalists don’t take it literally. The same cannot be said of Muslims.

SJP

According to you nothing good ever comes from the Bible? Yes???

 

[SirJosephPorter]

SJP

According to you nothing good ever comes from the Bible? Yes???

You know better than that Goober, you have read my views on religion, on Christianity, both here and on Canada.com forum.

I have said it before, Bible contains good things and bad (so does Koran). There are good Christians (Mother Teresa, MLK, Jimmy Carter, Bishop Tutu etc.) and bad Christians (Dr. Dobson, Pat Robertson, Savonarola etc.).

Good Christians simply ignore all the nasty things that Bible says and only concentrate on good things (love thy neighbour, golden rule etc.), while bad Christians ignore all the things Bible says about love, charity, compassion and concentrate on bad things (witch burning, death to homosexuals, keeping women oppressed, persecuting the scientists in the Dark Ages etc.).

 

[darkbeaver]

As to the original post. There is no way the Islam will ever develop the way Christianity has. What you see in the Taliban, in Wahabee, in the Ayatollahs, IS the real Islam, undiluted with Western 'contamination'. The Koran offers no ambiguity, or a place for reason, conscience to inform faith. Islam is about unquestioning Submission. It in this way the opposite of the Christian process of conversion. There is no ambiguity, no revelation in Islam. There is only the Law, and vengeance, amputations, beheadings, stonings, lashings.. page after page of it in their Holy Book.

Is there a holy book that isn't full of hate for the others? It is to be wished that others don't develope the way christianity did. That's pretty vitriolic contamination coming from you here in this thread. I'm thinking you are a poor ambassador for the alleged gentle jesus and grateful that I won't be entertaining conversion through your rough offices.