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[Downhome_Woman]

Hmmm... Foie gras.

YouTube - Yummy Foie Gras...

One problem if we banned foie gras though is that it would hurt the Canadian foie gras industry too. I suppose we could ban porpoises.

funny thing, geese have no gag reflex - they don't mind the funnel of food down to their gullet. And farmers who produce fois fras will tell you that 'forcing' as goose or duck to swallow all the food will just make an unhappy bird. and an unhappy bird makes untasty food. the fois gras birds are usually slaughtered about a week or so after their initial feeding, and the rest of the bird is eaten. Sounds good to me.

 

[Downhome_Woman]

To all animal rights activists there is a new kid in town to take all you on.
The Fruit and Vegetable rights activists.

A lot of fruits and vegetables are more barbarically treated than animals.

Fruits and vegetables are alive when you get them and are viciously ripped apart stabbed cut and quartered boiled burned while they are alive.

Animals are humanly killed before they are processed.

All animal rights activists must stop eating fruits and vegetables and let peace and dignity come back to fruits and vegetables.

To all those who would say 'don't eat anything with eyes' - stay away from potatoes.....

 

[Downhome_Woman]

My grandpeople were sealers and they ate it. People in Newfoundland eat it. The Inuit and First Nations who hunt seal eat it. It's got a lot of healthy omega 3's and other stuff that people want. seems to me that if it's a regulated industry allowed only to the indigenous people and traditional sealers on the coast, then why not.
Oh right. they're cute beasts.

 

[Cannuck]

Seafaring people tend to eat lots of crap.

Hákarl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is it any wonder people migrated west so they could get a nice juicy steak.

 

[Downhome_Woman]

Once you kill something it is only respectful to use the entire creature. I doubt they do, though. And in that case, they are no better than the poachers who kill bears around here just to take the gall bladders and leave the carcasses. Those sorts are not what I would consider even human, but some sort of subspecies. The same sort that victimize seniors.
I doubt pilot whales reproduce in the thousands each year. But they are killed in the thousands. Perhaps the same with harbor porpoises. And creatures like this one don't stand a chance against urban development:

<--- The Xerxes blue butterfly.

Perrin's cave beetle, considered extinct since 2006. There are thousands more.

Mass Extinction of Insects May Be Occurring Undetected

Want to know where most of the toxins head for? The creatures at the tops of the food chains get the highest concentrations. Guess where creatures like orca, salmon, tigers, bears, HUMANS, sharks, etc. are.
Do you like tuna? It contains mercury. It may not be enough to harm you but it does harm babies.

NRDC: Mercury Contamination in Fish - Consumer Guide to Mercury in Fish

Anyway, from killing off entire species, to destroying our own species, you'd think we'd grab a brain and stop. But, people have this attitude that they are alive and that's what's important so let the next guy worry about that stuff. I have a friend from Florida who got a degree or two in wildlife management. She did one of her thesises on the apple snail of the Florida everglades. It was threatened at one time because people wanted to drain the everglades. That in turn directly impacts the Evergreens kite. And that is only the beginning of one story. There are thousands of species in the glades that are affected by simply dropping the water level there.
In Colotado it was believed that wolves were killing too much stock. So people hunted them until there were none left there. Then someone noticed that there were only a few species of trees that were starting sprouts. Cottonwood was the heaviest hit. Why? Because the elk were eating all the tree shoots. The wolves were the balance that kept the elk population from booming. So they got some wolves from Canada to restore the balance.
Like I said in another thread, "Good day, sir and madam. We don't have a menu anymore as we can only serve you cockroaches from now on. The ants all disappeared and the last of the other scavengers last week. Would you like your roaches boiled, fried, fricaseed, or roasted? Oh, I am sorry, I forgot, we can't give you boiled roaches anymore. There isn't enough palatable water left for that."

Your remark, "Once you kill something it is only respectful to use the entire creature. I doubt they do, though. " shows that you haven't even bothered to check out what they DO do with the carcasses. There's a good video out that shows the lives and ideals of those who seal - on Isles des Madelaines and in Newfoundland - but I doubt that you would find it interesting - it's not something that Sir Paul tells you what to think and come on, from what you've said, can you honestly say that you would want to dig any deeper to get a more rounded view? I'd respect your view - anyone's view even if it were contrary to my own - if I knew that they'd actually gone and explored both sides of the debate but unfortunatley I haven't seen it.

 

[AnnaG]

Your remark, "Once you kill something it is only respectful to use the entire creature. I doubt they do, though. " shows that you haven't even bothered to check out what they DO do with the carcasses. There's a good video out that shows the lives and ideals of those who seal - on Isles des Madelaines and in Newfoundland - but I doubt that you would find it interesting - it's not something that Sir Paul tells you what to think and come on, from what you've said, can you honestly say that you would want to dig any deeper to get a more rounded view? I'd respect your view - anyone's view even if it were contrary to my own - if I knew that they'd actually gone and explored both sides of the debate but unfortunatley I haven't seen it.

I don't know if you've noticed, but people here don't seem to post info from sources unless they like what they post. I don't know if the entire seal is used or not. I believe I said that. I also said I doubted if it was. Till someone posts some relatively unbiased info about it, I am left to keep thinking what I think. So instead of judging me for what I think, show me the video link and hope I will change what I think.
I could very well SAY I can produce videos of Labradorites who say they only use the skins. Saying something doesn't carry much weight. If you have evidence, it carries weight.
And BTW, just because they may use the entire animal doesn't necessarily mean they respect it anyway.

 

[Downhome_Woman]

Well you've said that you don't 'believe'. my point was that you never even bothered to try to find our - you just judged. did yo ever think that you might want to take a journey and find out for yourself before passing judgement? Why are you relying on others to provide information on judgements that you make on others?

 

[mt_pockets1000]

I read an article today in the Western Star that talked about harvesting the seals to feed the hungry in the world. A well managed system could do this and still maintain the herd. There were some catcalls from the gallery saying how the planet is already overpopulated and why should we encourage population growth. Hocky puck. We throw away enough restaurant food daily in a city the size of Toronto to feed a small country. We have enough food on this planet to keep everyone fed. We just need to open our eyes a little farther.

 

[AnnaG]

Well you've said that you don't 'believe'. my point was that you never even bothered to try to find our - you just judged. did yo ever think that you might want to take a journey and find out for yourself before passing judgement? Why are you relying on others to provide information on judgements that you make on others?

Nope. I didn't judge. I offered my opinion. As of yet no-one's posted any evidence showing my opinion to be wrong.
There's a great deal of difference between having an opinion that some people are disrespectful and judging them to be. If I had judged them, I would have said straight out that they were disrespectful in not using the entire seal instead of saying I doubt they use the entire seal.

 

[AnnaG]

I read an article today in the Western Star that talked about harvesting the seals to feed the hungry in the world. A well managed system could do this and still maintain the herd. There were some catcalls from the gallery saying how the planet is already overpopulated and why should we encourage population growth. Hocky puck. We throw away enough restaurant food daily in a city the size of Toronto to feed a small country. We have enough food on this planet to keep everyone fed. We just need to open our eyes a little farther.

At the present rate of growth the food stocks won't be sustainable. We'll starve ourselves until the population dwindles. We aren't any different than other animals in that respect.

 

[JLM]

I don't know if you've noticed, but people here don't seem to post info from sources unless they like what they post. I don't know if the entire seal is used or not. I believe I said that. I also said I doubted if it was. Till someone posts some relatively unbiased info about it, I am left to keep thinking what I think. So instead of judging me for what I think, show me the video link and hope I will change what I think.
I could very well SAY I can produce videos of Labradorites who say they only use the skins. Saying something doesn't carry much weight. If you have evidence, it carries weight.
And BTW, just because they may use the entire animal doesn't necessarily mean they respect it anyway.

Quite often a video only provides truth of one event.

 

[Niflmir]

At the present rate of growth the food stocks won't be sustainable. We'll starve ourselves until the population dwindles. We aren't any different than other animals in that respect.

This is going to make me sound cold hearted... but, whatever.

It is funny that the population growth rate is inversely proportional to said population's ability to sustain itself. In Countries where they are more than able to feed themselves, generally immigration is required to sustain the population.

Seemingly, if it was up to the "developed" countries, the population would naturally dwindle down to an easily sustainable level.

 

[Unforgiven]

My grandpeople were sealers and they ate it. People in Newfoundland eat it. The Inuit and First Nations who hunt seal eat it. It's got a lot of healthy omega 3's and other stuff that people want. seems to me that if it's a regulated industry allowed only to the indigenous people and traditional sealers on the coast, then why not.
Oh right. they're cute beasts.

Are you trying to say that the commercial seal hunt is for food and the carcass is not left on the ice?

People who want to go hunt seal for food are more than welcome to do so. But to reiterate the point here, killing an animal to skin it for fashion and leave the rest is a waste, barbaric and not at all inline with real Canadian values.

It's not that you can't get Seal meat in Canada it's just not something everyone likes the taste of. If it tasted good like beef or pork or chicken it would be available everywhere. The people have made their choice. Seal isn't on the menu. Neither should we be upset that other countries don't want to support whacking something with a club and cutting it's fur off for no other reason than fashion.

No one says the Inuit are bad people for eating seal. They aren't the commercial seal hunt.

 

[Unforgiven]

I read an article today in the Western Star that talked about harvesting the seals to feed the hungry in the world. A well managed system could do this and still maintain the herd. There were some catcalls from the gallery saying how the planet is already overpopulated and why should we encourage population growth. Hocky puck. We throw away enough restaurant food daily in a city the size of Toronto to feed a small country. We have enough food on this planet to keep everyone fed. We just need to open our eyes a little farther.

Yet you get all upset about shipping our garbage to Michigan! No pleasing some people. :roll:

 

[Niflmir]

People who want to go hunt seal for food are more than welcome to do so. But to reiterate the point here, killing an animal to skin it for fashion and leave the rest is a waste, barbaric and not at all inline with real Canadian values.

See, I fundamentally disagree. Modern nutrition has taught us that nowadays meat is nothing more than a luxury. There are plenty of alternatives to eating animal meat that are as nutritional or in some cases more nutritional. A meat free diet is neither difficult to accomplish nor dangerous to one's health, we are just culturally conditioned to eat meat. Meat is a luxury, like fur.

So I conclude that eating meat and wearing fur are one and the same. PETA agrees as well, but they won't tell that to anybody. The difference between PETA and me is that I say, "So go ahead and eat meat and wear fur," while they get nude 18 year old women to say, "Fur is murder," and when fur becomes outlawed they will say the same for eating meat.

From the PETA faq:

“Where do you draw the line?”

The renowned humanitarian Albert Schweitzer, who accomplished so much for both humans and animals in his lifetime, would take time to stoop and move a worm from hot pavement to cool earth. Aware of the problems and responsibilities that an expanded ethic brings, he said, “A man is really ethical only when he obeys the constraint laid on him to aid all life which he is able to help … He does not ask how far this or that life deserves sympathy … nor how far it is capable of feeling.” We can’t stop all suffering, but that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t stop any. In today’s world of virtually unlimited choices, there are plenty of kind, gentle ways for us to feed, clothe, entertain, and educate ourselves that do not involve killing animals.

 

[mt_pockets1000]

Yet you get all upset about shipping our garbage to Michigan! No pleasing some people. :roll:

Say what?

 

[JLM]

"It's not that you can't get Seal meat in Canada it's just not something everyone likes the taste of."

I'd hazard a guess that 75% of Canadians have never eaten seal meat, so would have no idea whether they like it or not.

 

[Niflmir]

"It's not that you can't get Seal meat in Canada it's just not something everyone likes the taste of."

I'd hazard a guess that 75% of Canadians have never eaten seal meat, so would have no idea whether they like it or not.

If I saw it on a menu, I would definitely try it.

 

[JLM]

If I saw it on a menu, I would definitely try it.

I've eaten in a few seafood restaurants and don't believe I've ever seen it on a menu. I'd try it, who knows it might just taste like dog...................:lol::lol::lol:

 

[Unforgiven]

See, I fundamentally disagree. Modern nutrition has taught us that nowadays meat is nothing more than a luxury. There are plenty of alternatives to eating animal meat that are as nutritional or in some cases more nutritional. A meat free diet is neither difficult to accomplish nor dangerous to one's health, we are just culturally conditioned to eat meat. Meat is a luxury, like fur.

So I conclude that eating meat and wearing fur are one and the same. PETA agrees as well, but they won't tell that to anybody. The difference between PETA and me is that I say, "So go ahead and eat meat and wear fur," while they get nude 18 year old women to say, "Fur is murder," and when fur becomes outlawed they will say the same for eating meat.

From the PETA faq:

Peta come on mate, you can do better than that. ;-)

We aren't in disagreement at all. Eat meat, wear fur all you like. But don't kill something only for it's fur and leave the meat to waste on the ice flow.

No one is killing cows for the leather and leaving the meat in the field to go to waste. That is exactly what is happening in the commercial seal hunt.

I don't care what you kill as long as you use the whole animal and it sustains your life and livelihood. Killing an animal only to skin it as a welfare program isn't. If you can get everyone in Canada eating seal meat more power to ya. But until we have a sustainable demand for the whole animal, then it's wrong. Just like it's wrong to kill bears for their gaul bladder and leave the rest of the bear to rot where it was killed.