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[Liberalman]

I cannot see where anything involving killing baby seals could be construed as humane.

To all animal rights activists there is a new kid in town to take all you on.
The Fruit and Vegetable rights activists.

A lot of fruits and vegetables are more barbarically treated than animals.

Fruits and vegetables are alive when you get them and are viciously ripped apart stabbed cut and quartered boiled burned while they are alive.

Animals are humanly killed before they are processed.

All animal rights activists must stop eating fruits and vegetables and let peace and dignity come back to fruits and vegetables.

 

[JLM]

To all animal rights activists there is a new kid in town to take all you on.
The Fruit and Vegetable rights activists.

A lot of fruits and vegetables are more barbarically treated than animals.

Fruits and vegetables are alive when you get them and are viciously ripped apart stabbed cut and quartered boiled burned while they are alive.

Animals are humanly killed before they are processed.

All animal rights activists must stop eating fruits and vegetables and let peace and dignity come back to fruits and vegetables.

NOw we are finally seeing some sanity, now maybe these nut hatches will shut up.

 

[Francis2004]

And what about Japan...

Whaling in Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[gopher]

I think the ban does not cover the Indians; they can still export to Europe. Presumably Europeans wanted to respect their way of life.

That's good to know. I certainly do not want to see anyone put out of work. But man, I tell you - watching those baby seal hunts on TV turned my stomach. Killing seals and dolphins unless it is for indigenous peoples food staples is horrible. Hopefully, someone will come up with a better alternative.

And let me say that, yes, animal rights activists do often hurt their own causes through their extreme measures. The better thing for them to do is to lobby and spread information with alternative solutions to the problem.

Those of us who cherish the manatee have done our part. They should do the same:

We have also succeeded in like manner with eagles, cranes, condors to name a few other instances.

 

[mt_pockets1000]

Gopher we're talking about an industry that can easily be sustained on the east coast and has proven it's sustainability over hundreds of years. The hunt is definitely not for the weak of heart. There will be blood...and lots of it.

No, the IFAW and their cohorts can dance their happy jig but mother nature will dictate. Get ready for a population explosion, followed by mass starvation among the species as they scoop up the remaining food supplies in the oceans around Atlantic Canada. IFAW, you didn't save the seals...you just sentenced them to failure and subsequent extinction. Take a bow...

 

[AnnaG]

I would imagine the clothing and perfume comes off the same animal the food does, so I would suggest it would be wasteful not to take the clothing and perfume- they may make damn good corsets...............:lol::lol:

Once you kill something it is only respectful to use the entire creature. I doubt they do, though. And in that case, they are no better than the poachers who kill bears around here just to take the gall bladders and leave the carcasses. Those sorts are not what I would consider even human, but some sort of subspecies. The same sort that victimize seniors.
I doubt pilot whales reproduce in the thousands each year. But they are killed in the thousands. Perhaps the same with harbor porpoises. And creatures like this one don't stand a chance against urban development:

<--- The Xerxes blue butterfly.

Perrin's cave beetle, considered extinct since 2006. There are thousands more.

Mass Extinction of Insects May Be Occurring Undetected

Want to know where most of the toxins head for? The creatures at the tops of the food chains get the highest concentrations. Guess where creatures like orca, salmon, tigers, bears, HUMANS, sharks, etc. are.
Do you like tuna? It contains mercury. It may not be enough to harm you but it does harm babies.

NRDC: Mercury Contamination in Fish - Consumer Guide to Mercury in Fish

Anyway, from killing off entire species, to destroying our own species, you'd think we'd grab a brain and stop. But, people have this attitude that they are alive and that's what's important so let the next guy worry about that stuff. I have a friend from Florida who got a degree or two in wildlife management. She did one of her thesises on the apple snail of the Florida everglades. It was threatened at one time because people wanted to drain the everglades. That in turn directly impacts the Evergreens kite. And that is only the beginning of one story. There are thousands of species in the glades that are affected by simply dropping the water level there.
In Colotado it was believed that wolves were killing too much stock. So people hunted them until there were none left there. Then someone noticed that there were only a few species of trees that were starting sprouts. Cottonwood was the heaviest hit. Why? Because the elk were eating all the tree shoots. The wolves were the balance that kept the elk population from booming. So they got some wolves from Canada to restore the balance.
Like I said in another thread, "Good day, sir and madam. We don't have a menu anymore as we can only serve you cockroaches from now on. The ants all disappeared and the last of the other scavengers last week. Would you like your roaches boiled, fried, fricaseed, or roasted? Oh, I am sorry, I forgot, we can't give you boiled roaches anymore. There isn't enough palatable water left for that."

 

[Tonington]

How about some boiled jellyfish with that cockroach? Num Num...

 

[JLM]

Once you kill something it is only respectful to use the entire creature. I doubt they do, though. And in that case, they are no better than the poachers who kill bears around here just to take the gall bladders and leave the carcasses. Those sorts are not what I would consider even human, but some sort of subspecies. The same sort that victimize seniors.
I doubt pilot whales reproduce in the thousands each year. But they are killed in the thousands. Perhaps the same with harbor porpoises. And creatures like this one don't stand a chance against urban development:

<--- The Xerxes blue butterfly.

Perrin's cave beetle, considered extinct since 2006. There are thousands more.

Mass Extinction of Insects May Be Occurring Undetected

Want to know where most of the toxins head for? The creatures at the tops of the food chains get the highest concentrations. Guess where creatures like orca, salmon, tigers, bears, HUMANS, sharks, etc. are.
Do you like tuna? It contains mercury. It may not be enough to harm you but it does harm babies.

NRDC: Mercury Contamination in Fish - Consumer Guide to Mercury in Fish

Anyway, from killing off entire species, to destroying our own species, you'd think we'd grab a brain and stop. But, people have this attitude that they are alive and that's what's important so let the next guy worry about that stuff. I have a friend from Florida who got a degree or two in wildlife management. She did one of her thesises on the apple snail of the Florida everglades. It was threatened at one time because people wanted to drain the everglades. That in turn directly impacts the Evergreens kite. And that is only the beginning of one story. There are thousands of species in the glades that are affected by simply dropping the water level there.
In Colotado it was believed that wolves were killing too much stock. So people hunted them until there were none left there. Then someone noticed that there were only a few species of trees that were starting sprouts. Cottonwood was the heaviest hit. Why? Because the elk were eating all the tree shoots. The wolves were the balance that kept the elk population from booming. So they got some wolves from Canada to restore the balance.
Like I said in another thread, "Good day, sir and madam. We don't have a menu anymore as we can only serve you cockroaches from now on. The ants all disappeared and the last of the other scavengers last week. Would you like your roaches boiled, fried, fricaseed, or roasted? Oh, I am sorry, I forgot, we can't give you boiled roaches anymore. There isn't enough palatable water left for that."

YOu got that right, Anna, or the big "trophy" hunters who take the horns and leave the rest to rot. I personally think "trophy" hunters should be banned, doesn't take much of a man with all that technology and equipment to bring down a dumb animal. I have no problem with killing any animal for meat or for belts, shoes or purses, or even corsets. :lol:

 

[ironsides]

To all animal rights activists there is a new kid in town to take all you on.
The Fruit and Vegetable rights activists.

A lot of fruits and vegetables are more barbarically treated than animals.

Fruits and vegetables are alive when you get them and are viciously ripped apart stabbed cut and quartered boiled burned while they are alive.

Animals are humanly killed before they are processed.

All animal rights activists must stop eating fruits and vegetables and let peace and dignity come back to fruits and vegetables.

The Horror of it all. Sounds of countless screaming vegetables, to horrible to think about.

 

[Unforgiven]

And what about Japan...

Whaling in Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't really understand this sort of defense to the seal hunt. Isn't it a bit like saying that rape is ok in Canada because look at all the rape going on in Africa?

We're not worried about stopping everything every where. Just this seal hunt. Whales are another battle in another country. But it's not going to be waged by those who support the seal hunt here. It will be waged by those same animals rights activists that have fought against the wasteful seal hunt here.

 

[#juan]

The EU ban will exempt products derived from traditional hunts carried out by Inuit in Canada's Arctic, as well as those from Greenland, Alaska and Russia. They can export products to the EU but only "on a not-for-profit basis.

Oops. They want to get these product at cost. Will they also sell them on a not for profit basis? Not bloody likely. Smells fishy to me.

 

[Niflmir]

I heard somewhere that they would have to cull the seals anyways, seeing as how we have been their largest predator for the past three and half centuries and they have adapted to our presence and all. Anyone remember what happens in the rabbits and foxes model when all the foxes disappear?

 

[Unforgiven]

I heard somewhere that they would have to cull the seals anyways, seeing as how we have been their largest predator for the past three and half centuries and they have adapted to our presence and all. Anyone remember what happens in the rabbits and foxes model when all the foxes disappear?

Species come and go in a natural way and that seems to work out ok for the planet I think. We make a huge foot print and what we do changes how the world works and reacts to our presence.

Not until we learn to live with the rest of the world can we ever hope to restore any balance to any part of it. As it is, we are unnatural.

 

[Niflmir]

Species come and go in a natural way and that seems to work out ok for the planet I think. We make a huge foot print and what we do changes how the world works and reacts to our presence.

Not until we learn to live with the rest of the world can we ever hope to restore any balance to any part of it. As it is, we are unnatural.

See, I see it the other way around. In my worldview, we are natural creatures on this planet. We merely have an atrociously toxic effect.

Although we have probably never witnessed it, I am sure at some point a few animals flew into a previously untouched eco-system and demolished the unwitting prey therein. Nowadays, we always attribute such phenomena to ourselves.

Of course we do need to be better tenants on our planet.

 

[mt_pockets1000]

This is not going away anytime soon. The industry leaders are not going to roll over and swallow this decision by the EU. Mark Small has been an active proponent of the hunt for many years. From my experience talking to Mr. Small and observing his career in the fishery over the years, I know he will push for further discussions with the WTO, he will continue to promote the industry and he will look for ways to expose the EU's hypocrisy on this issue while they continue to support harvesting of other wild species.

TheWesternStar.com: Local | Seal ban not devastating to local hunters

 

[Unforgiven]

See, I see it the other way around. In my worldview, we are natural creatures on this planet. We merely have an atrociously toxic effect.

But we're not toxic, we just choose to be.

Although we have probably never witnessed it, I am sure at some point a few animals flew into a previously untouched eco-system and demolished the unwitting prey therein. Nowadays, we always attribute such phenomena to ourselves.

We have I think, in Australia. Cats and rats have caused unmeasured catastrophy there on a number of species. Madagascar is happening right now on our watch.
But nothing even remotely comes close to the irreversable change we make on all ecosystems world wide. And for nothing more than wonton carelessness.

Of course we do need to be better tenants on our planet.

I think we're headed for a big extinction as has happened in the past. Most likely we will change the food web and it will collapse starving most of us off. Not all though. Those should be interesting times.:lol:

 

[AnnaG]

Anyway, the EU have no room at all to talk about what Canada does with seals. They practise the exact same deed with other species on their own turf.

On the world scale? We are killing off species, not just large quantities of some of them We kill entire species and most people don't even know it. As I said biodiversity is heading for the crapper and so are a few other things such as our fresh water. Most people will think "Why are we eating cockroaches?" and not know the answer. And the ones that know the answer will be going, "Damn. We should have smartened up sooner".

 

[Unforgiven]

An interesting twist to this topic.

The arguments pro seal hunt, seem to come from the importance of making a living over any need for the product or issues of cruelty to the animals.

A mans gotta eat, there is no shortage of seals to whack and because there is money in it, it's justifiable. Is that about it?

Dog fighting comes to mind. There's money in it, no shortage of dogs to fight and it will provide an income. So would that be justified in the same way as the seal hunt?

Incidently, Michael Vick was reinstated back into the NFL.

 

[mt_pockets1000]

Not just the money Unf (there's very little of that by the way), but seal meat and oils are a good source of Omega 3 fatty acids. The meat is rich in protein, iron, magnesium and vitamin B12.

As usual, Canadians are blind to the value in seals as a source of healthy eating, warm clothing and excellent skin care products. Instead we are worried about how we look on the international stage. Well to hell with them. Until they clean up their own backyard and show me the value in bullfighting, fox hunting, and a host of other questionable, unethical sports they support then they can keep their pie hole shut. That goes for the hypocritical IFAW as well.

 

[coldstream]

I'm not sure how much Seal Fur Product is actually sold in Europe now. You'd probably set yourself up to be attacked if you wore a seal skin jacket in London or Paris by some radical animal rights activist. Frankly expanding markets in Asia might be the best course of action now. Europe might be a lost cause for a lot of things.

The truth is the harvesting of Seals is as scientific and humane as that of producing leather and steaks. What we have seen is a pagan ethos of environmentalism and animal rights take over the agenda in Europe. It is where the unquestioning acceptance of a fraud like Global Warming is most engrained. It really has all the appearance of a sick and declining society.

Driven by fear mongering, or insipid appeals to sentiment rather than truth, it views mankind as predatory parasite of the pristine planet. It is irrational and uncompromising as any religious cult.