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[GreenFish66]

Hunting cute baby seals: Europe's hypocrisy | Charlemagne's notebook | Economist.com

Good for the E.U...How many people eat seal meat?...I like a burger once in a while from a domesticated cow.( I think they know when the end is near)..Glad I'm not the one killin them..I just eatm..

However , I'm trying to eat better nowadays..Cut out all the blubber..Someones gotta protect the wildlife from greedy profiteers .That way they'll be enough meat to feed their horrendous appetite so they won't turn on the sheeple (remember the movie soylent green)..Scary..Watch your back the Cannibals are hungry again!....

True, Seals need fish to survive..Humans can live without as much...Until us savage predators came and over hunted the waters and land for profit ..There was a greater balance ...Now ,We are fat with greed!...We take without giving back...Without caring about what will happen next..

Big Business men/bankers/insurance companies /self interested politicians have proven as much ...Taking all , until election time , then promising all ..until elected..Then of course again taking more..giving nothing back to the herds of sheeple they cull to their ends .Work for next to nothing so the few can have those great Luxuries,some will dream of in envy, most will never have .Most nowadys don't even want! ..

So the abuse ,greed and B.S.continues.Have people learned nothing!....Of course not.They're too busy workin too hard for nothin..To The "Big Greed" Their hardly worth the time.They are sheep/slave drones..They deserve nothing ..

Or So most above would seem to think by their shallow comments!..

Mass Extinction Underway | Biodiversity Crisis | Global Species Loss - This should spark your interest..Feed the fury! .. ..Here your all welcome to take a big chunk outta my big blubbery Ass! ...lol ..

 

[Niflmir]

An interesting twist to this topic.

The arguments pro seal hunt, seem to come from the importance of making a living over any need for the product or issues of cruelty to the animals.

A mans gotta eat, there is no shortage of seals to whack and because there is money in it, it's justifiable. Is that about it?

Dog fighting comes to mind. There's money in it, no shortage of dogs to fight and it will provide an income. So would that be justified in the same way as the seal hunt?

Incidently, Michael Vick was reinstated back into the NFL.

My argument is that it is no more cruel than many other practices. The only reason it was banned is because a baby seal is cute and a baby cow is ugly. Funny that, because it is against the law to kill whitecoats and has been for two decades. Excuse me, I must go have my Wiener Schnitzel now, hypocrisy tastes so delicious, you see.

 

[mt_pockets1000]

My brother-in-law and his wife showed up to visit us in Ottawa one year from Newfoundland. We picked them up at the airport and they both wore the most beautiful sealskin coats. Short, bomber style. Most people around them were impressed with the style and quality of the coats and they made no attempt to hide their appreciation for these wonderful garments. Where can I get one? How much?
We took our guests to Parliament Hill, both of them still wearing the sealskin coats. I was thrilled and proud to show them our great government buildings and show them the grounds around Wellington Street. But to my total shock they were not there to see the Parliament Buildings. They wanted me to take a picture of them in their sealskin coats with the buildings in the background so they could put a caption underneath that basically tells the feds to take a hike. Who knew they were so political? The picture implied we will wear these jackets with pride and nothing you can say or do will change my mind about that.

 

[Ron in Regina]

My argument is that it is no more cruel than many other practices. The only reason it was banned is because a baby seal is cute and a baby cow is ugly. Funny that, because it is against the law to kill whitecoats and has been for two decades. Excuse me, I must go have my Wiener Schnitzel now, hypocrisy tastes so delicious, you see.

Lots of misinformation floating around this issue. Who said anything about "baby" Seals?

I, too, have seen the video's....dated from when? Makes one wonder why, if this hunt has
been going on for 350 years or so....that video of Seal pups from the '70's is always used
in the anti-Sealing campaigns, eh?

I was fish'n for someone to bring this up Yesterday...but it didn't happen.

Calves (baby cows) are pretty cute (& tasty) too! 8O

 

[GreenFish66]

I lIke eggs!

 

[Unforgiven]

Not just the money Unf (there's very little of that by the way), but seal meat and oils are a good source of Omega 3 fatty acids. The meat is rich in protein, iron, magnesium and vitamin B12.

So what. No one eats it aside from Inuit and as a novelty. It's healthy doesn't mean people are going to eat it. You need more fibre in your diet so rush out and get yourself a bail of hay. Not likely. That argument doesn't even make it out of the barrel.

As usual, Canadians are blind to the value in seals as a source of healthy eating, warm clothing and excellent skin care products. Instead we are worried about how we look on the international stage. Well to hell with them. Until they clean up their own backyard and show me the value in bullfighting, fox hunting, and a host of other questionable, unethical sports they support then they can keep their pie hole shut. That goes for the hypocritical IFAW as well.

There is no bullfighting here. The only fox hunt here is trapping, and the odd sportsman who has nothing else to shot at with a bow. Maybe a pissed off farmer or two. I suppose you can find one or two groups of drunk buggers riding horse through the Autumn afternoon after a bunch of baying mutts and a fox but that's is not really a commercial slaughter now is it?

If you don't like it in their country, then you should stand up and do something about it. That's what they did.

 

[Unforgiven]

I'm not sure how much Seal Fur Product is actually sold in Europe now. You'd probably set yourself up to be attacked if you wore a seal skin jacket in London or Paris by some radical animal rights activist. Frankly expanding markets in Asia might be the best course of action now. Europe might be a lost cause for a lot of things.

The truth is the harvesting of Seals is as scientific and humane as that of producing leather and steaks. What we have seen is a pagan ethos of environmentalism and animal rights take over the agenda in Europe. It is where the unquestioning acceptance of a fraud like Global Warming is most engrained. It really has all the appearance of a sick and declining society.

Driven by fear mongering, or insipid appeals to sentiment rather than truth, it views mankind as predatory parasite of the pristine planet. It is irrational and uncompromising as any religious cult.

Here I thought it was a little more like a few Canadians are thumping seals in the head and skinning them on the ice to sell only the pelt. I kinda missed a lot of what you say the argument against the seal hunt was.

 

[Unforgiven]

My argument is that it is no more cruel than many other practices. The only reason it was banned is because a baby seal is cute and a baby cow is ugly. Funny that, because it is against the law to kill whitecoats and has been for two decades. Excuse me, I must go have my Wiener Schnitzel now, hypocrisy tastes so delicious, you see.

Well Niflmir, cruel it seems is more subjective than I expected. One man's cruel is another man's evening's entertainment.

I don't think you can really compare a modern and regulated abattoir and an ice flow with a Hakipik can you? I have no idea how many cows pigs and goats slip through the killing proccess {electricution and stun bolt} but I know that those seals not killed by hikipik on the first go suffer more than any livestock.

When it comes to livestock, the whole animal is used. Not the seals. So I don't see how you can say that eating veal schnitzel, which is very tasty by the way, and killing a seal for it's fur only are even alike.

I've got leather furniture, boots, clothes, the interior of my car is leather. And brother, I've porbably eaten about two whole damn cows myself. Not to mention all the piggies that have passed my colon.

Not one seal though. Everyone eats cow, pig and chicken. No one eats seal. Regardless of how good it is or isn't for you. If you want to go kill a seal and eat it you have my blessing. If you just want to kill a bunch, take the skin and leave the rest then I think I'll probably try and prevent you from doing that.

And I think that is the way it should be.

 

[mt_pockets1000]

So what. No one eats it aside from Inuit and as a novelty. It's healthy doesn't mean people are going to eat it. You need more fibre in your diet so rush out and get yourself a bail of hay. Not likely. That argument doesn't even make it out of the barrel.

No, we don't eat it. But why not explore the uses and applications of the animal. They are going to have to cull the herd anyway to keep the numbers down. Your victory and the IFAW's is simply grandstanding over a non issue.

There is no bullfighting here. The only fox hunt here is trapping, and the odd sportsman who has nothing else to shot at with a bow. Maybe a pissed off farmer or two. I suppose you can find one or two groups of drunk buggers riding horse through the Autumn afternoon after a bunch of baying mutts and a fox but that's is not really a commercial slaughter now is it?

Whoa, thanks for informing me about that. No bullfighting here huh? Now isn't that a revelation. If you had read my post you would see that I referenced the bullfighting and fox hunting in Europe, not Canada.

If you don't like it in their country, then you should stand up and do something about it. That's what they did.

I couldn't give two farts what they do in their own country. But you can bet I'll stand behind retaliatory banning of European products to show those pussy willows we won't be knocked around. Have you hugged a tree lately?

Europe is a continent in decline and they are at the whim of any lobby group, especially the animal rights groups. Lets see them try their luck with Russia or China. They'd be waltzed out the door toute suite.

 

[Unforgiven]

I was fish'n for someone to bring this up Yesterday...but it didn't happen.

Calves (baby cows) are pretty cute (& tasty) too! 8O

There are a lot of people who simple won't eat Veal. That's fair enough I think. We should be as a people adamant about what we consume commercially, and speak out when we feel that something is wrong. I think that is part of the checks and balances that keeps our culture a fairly level keel.

Again, no one simply skins a baby cow and walks off leaving the rest of the carcass.

 

[Unforgiven]

Please don't type within the quoted text.

No, we don't eat it. But why not explore the uses and applications of the animal. They are going to have to cull the herd anyway to keep the numbers down. Your victory and the IFAW's is simply grandstanding over a non issue.

Go ahead and explore those applications and what you find useful bring to market. It's not like no one has heard of any of the uses of seal products. But if you only use a smal portion of the animal and throw the rest away for something that can be and most often is replaced by a better product, then you should put consideration for the animal first.

I'm not grandstanding at all.

Whoa, thanks for informing me about that. No bullfighting here huh? Now isn't that a revelation. If you had read my post you would see that I referenced the bullfighting and fox hunting in Europe, not Canada.

Right, I did read your post. The point I made is that there are traditions of European cultures we don't accept here.

I couldn't give two farts what they do in their own country. But you can bet I'll stand behind retaliatory banning of European products to show those pussy willows we won't be knocked around. Have you hugged a tree lately?

So you're all upset here, and I can bet, you will stand behind a retaliatory banning of some European exports because you don't give two farts what they do in their own countries? Are you confused?

Why would I hug a tree?

Europe is a continent in decline and they are at the whim of any lobby group, especially the animal rights groups. Lets see them try their luck with Russia or China. They'd be waltzed out the door toute suite.

It is what it is. You do agree they can do as they choose though right?

Russia, China we'll see. Did you think that the EU would simply agree to the ban without debate just like that? Or did you think that there was no possible way that the EU would ban all products from the commercial seal hunt in Canada?

 

[mt_pockets1000]

Please don't type within the quoted text.

After 3 years on this forum you'd think I'd learn how to quote properly. That's ok. I see from the rest of your comments you got my drift.

Go ahead and explore those applications and what you find useful bring to market. It's not like no one has heard of any of the uses of seal products. But if you only use a smal portion of the animal and throw the rest away for something that can be and most often is replaced by a better product, then you should put consideration for the animal first.

Sure everyone's heard of the benefits but they won't embrace them because of the media hype and the animal rights groups playing on their emotions. I see they've been successful in your house.

I'm not grandstanding at all.

Pontificating then? Playing god?

Right, I did read your post. The point I made is that there are traditions of European cultures we don't accept here.

Well bully for us. Jolly good I say. We do have some civility after all.

So you're all upset here, and I can bet, you will stand behind a retaliatory banning of some European exports because you don't give two farts what they do in their own countries? Are you confused?

No. I will support the banning of European products to stand beside my fellow Canadians in their retaliation of this insane decision. Have I not made myself clear?

Why would I hug a tree?

To further embellish your god image? I dunno...:smile:

It is what it is. You do agree they can do as they choose though right?

Now that's typical Canadian subservience, it is what it is. Yes they do have the right to choose. Just as much as we have the right to retaliate.

Russia, China we'll see. Did you think that the EU would simply agree to the ban without debate just like that? Or did you think that there was no possible way that the EU would ban all products from the commercial seal hunt in Canada.

From what I understand this debate has been going on for some 3 years amoung the European nations. I'm sure longer than that among the general population as the lobbists worked their way up through the masses with their propoganda towards the top. No one was caught by surprise here.

Flipper pie for dinner perhaps?

 

[Unforgiven]

Sure everyone's heard of the benefits but they won't embrace them because of the media hype and the animal rights groups playing on their emotions. I see they've been successful in your house.

People are emotional creatures. That's just something you're going to have to accept I guess. I do accept as morally correct some aspects of animal rights. Things like the great Buffalo slaughters and Whale slaughters got me interested, but the more I got to know animals, the more I feel they need a voice.

Is it safe to assume your house is filled with guns and liquor half a dozen ATVs in various states of ridability scattered over the yard and the antlers antlers antlers motif represented? While we're making assumptions and all.

Pontificating then? Playing god?

Where do you get that from? Posting the thread? I used to be a Doom god, but that's another thread. This isn't some holier than thou thread, it's the news and has a good pro and con division. You haven't posted anything to make me think I might be wrong in my opinion on it. But if you just want to bash about a little, I suggest you hound Ron and Hazmet for the Cage back and I'll oblige you.

Well bully for us. Jolly good I say. We do have some civility after all.

Not all of us of course. Some of us obviously think killing animals just for the fun of watching them die is not only perfectly alright but a tradition to teach the kids and grandkids.

No. I will support the banning of European products to stand beside my fellow Canadians in their retaliation of this insane decision. Have I not made myself clear?

I think something is clear. :lol:

To further embellish your god image? I dunno...:smile:

Well you brought it up so...

Now that's typical Canadian subservience, it is what it is. Yes they do have the right to choose. Just as much as we have the right to retaliate.

What's this "we" business? You got worms? :-?
I don't think the government has a mandate to start some trade war with the EU.

Day is welcome to dispute it through the WTO which I think is the plan.
But there is no plan nor mandate for some retaliation.

From what I understand this debate has been going on for some 3 years amoung the European nations. I'm sure longer than that among the general population as the lobbists worked their way up through the masses with their propoganda towards the top. No one was caught by surprise here.

I think what was meant was that it was introduced and passed without anyone wanting to debate the issue. But you knew that right?

Flipper pie for dinner perhaps?

Go for it buckaroo, I don't care for the taste at all. I'll stick with my pork chops, potatoes and veggies if it's all the same to you.

 

[Liberalman]

Seal meat is one one of the diets of the eskimo and they say that it's like any other meats you buy from the butcher.

For those of you who are lucky to get seal meat here's a nice recipe for the EU people you lose

Ingredients:
# 4 seal flippers
# 1 L water
# 500 ml soda
# 125 ml fat pork, diced
# 1 cup milk
# 2 onoins, chopped
# 5 ml salt
# 60 ml flour
# 250 ml cold water
# 5 ml Worcestershire sauce

Directions:
Soak flippers in 1 L of water and soda. Trim off excess fat.

Dry flippers and dip in seasoned flour.

Brown in pork fat. Add onions and make a gravy of flour, water, and sauce. Pour over flippers.

Cover and bake at 350 degrees F for 2-3 hours.

Make a pastry and cover the flippers. Bake at 400 degrees F for 30 minutes.

 

[mt_pockets1000]

Now Unf, why would we need the Steel Cage? I don't mind heated debates in the least. The hotter the better. As long as we keep it on the straight and narrow we won't need to stand in a corner like two kids.

Like assuming I'm a gun loving, antler hanging, beer guzzling hick of a human being. *sniff* I don't own a gun. I don't own antlers from any animal. I do confess to drinking beer on occassion....so sue me.

You sure about that pie? A lot better for you than pork.

 

[AnnaG]

My argument is that it is no more cruel than many other practices. The only reason it was banned is because a baby seal is cute and a baby cow is ugly. Funny that, because it is against the law to kill whitecoats and has been for two decades. Excuse me, I must go have my Wiener Schnitzel now, hypocrisy tastes so delicious, you see.

There's another difference between seals and cows beyond the looks. Cows are domesticated and farmed. Seals are wild.

 

[AnnaG]

There are a lot of people who simple won't eat Veal. That's fair enough I think. We should be as a people adamant about what we consume commercially, and speak out when we feel that something is wrong. I think that is part of the checks and balances that keeps our culture a fairly level keel.

A lot of people think they're eating veal and aren't. Veal is from 3 month old calves. Most veal you buy is at least 6 months old. My cousin won't slaughter 3 month old calves because he can get more money from the adult even after feed and stuff is included than he could get for a 3 month old calf.

Again, no one simply skins a baby cow and walks off leaving the rest of the carcass.

Right.

 

[AnnaG]

I don't care if people use the seals as a source of income or not as long as they are careful about it. People did the same thing with cod and weren't careful. For the longest time, people hauled in about 250,000 tons of cod every year and it seemed to be sustainable. Then the floating factories showed up and the haul went from 250,000 tons a year to 800,000 tons a year. In the 90s Canada closed codfishing in its waters as a result.
Wait till people figure out a fast and easy way of doing in seals.
And to all those that think everything is all peachy keen and there's nothing wrong with what we do, get a grip.
And in the meantime, the hypocritical EU can go suck an egg, IMO.

 

[Unforgiven]

Now Unf, why would we need the Steel Cage? I don't mind heated debates in the least. The hotter the better. As long as we keep it on the straight and narrow we won't need to stand in a corner like two kids.

Set the tone then, I'll keep between the ditches.

Like assuming I'm a gun loving, antler hanging, beer guzzling hick of a human being. *sniff* I don't own a gun. I don't own antlers from any animal. I do confess to drinking beer on occassion....so sue me.

Like I'm a tree hugger steeped in propaganda. :roll:
We have a smoothly operating production system of farming livestock that is for the most part humane and efficient in producing and distributing that livestock to my nieghborhood clean, packaged and ready for me to cook. I love the taste.

Seal meat would be a special order the quality of which would always be suspect.
When did you eat it last? Regular part of your diet is it?

You sure about that pie? A lot better for you than pork.

Positive! So is Metamucil but it's not on the menu either.

If you want to support the seal hunt, go and eat yourself a seal a year and use the products made from the carcass of those seals killed for their fur.

 

[Downhome_Woman]

Durka Durka - I read your comment and then took a look at where you came from - figures.