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[Unforgiven]

It is when the CVMA says 98% of the animals are killed in a humane way while other species are slaughtered in a less than humane manner. Why single out the seal industry? I know the answer to that question by the way. Just testing you.

What other species are slaughtered in a less than humane manner?

Just wanted to point out the IFAW's incorrect assessment of the situation. Yes the beaters are still young but we still meet the requirements of the law when they are harvested. No whitecoats are harvested...period...full stop. Tell your buddies to stop posting inaccuracies.

Oh come on already. A Beater is a month old pup. It's a White Coat for two weeks of that month. A pup is a pup regardless what colour it's coat is.

6000 animals equates to 0.1% of the total population. We run over more gophers, squirrels, deer, moose and other wild animals on our roads and highways in a year than that.

These 6000 animals aren't involved in accidents on the highway. They are intentionally killed. Go a head and do it to one dog and you're going to jail. An abattoir would be closed down for such numbers.

Fact of the matter is, Europe and most of North America has been taken for a ride by the animal rights groups. You've been fed false information by these militant groups. You've been led astray by shocking pictures on the ice and Paul McCartney's addled mind after Heather Mills got through with him. If a Beatle says it's wrong it must be so. You've been so manipulated by political correctness you cannot think for yourselves anymore. Perish the thought of standing up for your country while other countries push you around. Canada, the land where we like to be liked and if the EU says we are savages by harvesting seals then by gawd we'll have to stop doing that because our image is being tarnished. Let the media, politicians and religious leaders keep on pushing their agenda and you'll go right along with them. Pathetic....

If Paul McCartney said pedophilia was bad would you be rolling your eyes because it's Paul McCartney? That's just stupid. All you have said so far is that skinning an animal while it's conscious 6000 times is perfectly acceptable. That anyone who thinks it's not, has the problem. They're just too PC. :roll:

If it's wrong it's wrong. It doesn't matter if it my country or some other country. I wouldn't go along with something I didn't think was right as you suggest I should.
Maybe that's the sort of thing you're comfortable with but not me thanks.

And I will point out that no one is calling us savages, they are calling you a savage. I have to say that after this, I agree with that assessment.

 

[lone wolf]

What other species are slaughtered in a less than humane manner?

Have you ever been out on a deerhunt in shotgun season?

 

[AnnaG]

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[mt_pockets1000]

What other species are slaughtered in a less than humane manner?

I venture a guess that most of them are in abattoirs because seals are one of the most regulated on the planet.

Oh come on already. A Beater is a month old pup. It's a White Coat for two weeks of that month. A pup is a pup regardless what colour it's coat is.

Haha...congratulations! You actually looked up the definition of a beater. Now we're getting somewhere. You're actually doing some research on the topic. Perhaps we can have a sensible debate after all.:lol: That's right a beater is about a month old. But...it's not a whitecoat. Isn't that what ticks you self righteous people off? The fact that their coats are white and the sealers were clubbing them? What a joke.

These 6000 animals aren't involved in accidents on the highway. They are intentionally killed. Go a head and do it to one dog and you're going to jail. An abattoir would be closed down for such numbers.

Do you have a fact sheet on what happens inside an abattoir? I bet you'd be quite surprised to know the shyte that happens inside there. But hey...it's behind closed doors so what do we care huh?

Yes you would go to jail because a dog is a pet. But seals are a renewable resource to be exploited by man...just like a cow. Come on now....let your mind grasp that for a minute. Killing is killing. You can't justify it by keeping an animal behind a fence or inside a barn only to be slaughtered later for dinner.

If Paul McCartney said pedophilia was bad would you be rolling your eyes because it's Paul McCartney? That's just stupid. All you have said so far is that skinning an animal while it's conscious 6000 times is perfectly acceptable. That anyone who thinks it's not, has the problem. They're just too PC. :roll:

Not really. If McCartney said diddling kids was bad I'd have to go right along with him. However, I totally disagree with him on the sealing issue. Anyway, Heather messed with his head. I'll forgive him for that little indisgression. McCartney has his place in history. And it's not on the icefields off P.E.I.

As far as skinning an animal while it's still conscious, no, I have not said anywhere that I agree with this. Show me. I'm simply saying that a hunt this large is bound to have some unfortunate incidents where the animal will suffer. You tell me the odd cow or pig don't suffer while the slaughter is taking place. I'll wager it happens more often than on the icefields off Atlantic Canada.

If it's wrong it's wrong. It doesn't matter if it my country or some other country. I wouldn't go along with something I didn't think was right as you suggest I should.
Maybe that's the sort of thing you're comfortable with but not me thanks.

Mister, I'm not asking you to go along with anything. You're a grown man and you can make your own decisions. And I see you have. Unfortunately, you have made the wrong one.:-( Me...yeah, I don't see anything wrong with harvesting a patch of wild animals if the populations can sustain the hunt each year. We do it all the time with other species.

And I will point out that no one is calling us savages, they are calling you a savage. I have to say that after this, I agree with that assessment.

Ah Unforgiven you were doing so well too. I'm disappointed in you. Here I thought you were a worthy adversary, but alas...you fall wa-a-ay short with that comment.

Suffice it to say you are sharp of tongue but weak of heart. I'll leave it at that.

 

[earth_as_one]

I support the seal hunt. Its a renewable resource. The hunters have a stake in the well being and pristineness of their local ecology. Seals aren't endangered or even threatened. The hunt is well managed and regulated. Its environmentally and ecologically sound. Seals are killed in a manner which meet the same standard of humaneness as what goes on in an abattoir.

From a wildlife management viewpoint harvesting baby seals has the least impact on the seal population. Killing adult females would have the greatest impact. I would even support taking white coats. If these animals weren't so cute I doubt nearly as many people would oppose the hunt.

Managing our natural resources shouldn't be based on psuedo science, misperceptions or conserving the cute. People who oppose the seal hunt have humanized baby seals. They react to the seal hunt as if this was a debate about hunting children. Baby seals have big brown eyes and look sad, but they aren't human. They are animals like cows. They are probably less intelligent than pigs, which are fairly intelligent BTW. Many animals far less cute than baby seals continue to be hunted, yet they don't get the same level of attention. Some of these species are more threatened than seals and actually do require protection from exploitation so that they don't become extinct or threatened with extinction.

If you eat meat, yet oppose the seal hunt on the grounds that its cruel and inhumane, then you are a hypocrite. Only vegans who don't consume any animal products can legitimately criticize the seal hunt on the grounds of humaneness. They can also legitimately criticize what goes on in an abattoir.

I'm not a hypocrite. I eat meat. Given the way seals are hunted and their abundance, I'd eat seal meat if it was available. It sounds healthy and nutritious. I would buy seal products. I'd like to see the entire animal used. Killing an animal and not making use of every part possible seems disrespectful to me.

 

[Unforgiven]

I venture a guess that most of them are in abattoirs because seals are one of the most regulated on the planet.

Ah, you're guessing are you? Shouldn't you do the research so that you know the facts? Or is that just something you toss up at others in hopes they will not bother doing the home work? :roll:

Haha...congratulations! You actually looked up the definition of a beater. Now we're getting somewhere. You're actually doing some research on the topic. Perhaps we can have a sensible debate after all.:lol: That's right a beater is about a month old. But...it's not a whitecoat. Isn't that what ticks you self righteous people off? The fact that their coats are white and the sealers were clubbing them? What a joke.

No that's not what ticks me off. But speaking of misinformation and propaganda, you try to make it out that whitecoats and beaters aren't even the same animal. Two weeks apart in age son. That's all. Still unable to swim away, still a pup.
The joke is that you actually believe that there is some huge difference.

Do you have a fact sheet on what happens inside an abattoir? I bet you'd be quite surprised to know the shyte that happens inside there. But hey...it's behind closed doors so what do we care huh?

Yes and when I hear about any place not following procedure I'll make a complaint. Someone will go and inspect the abattoir to see that it is following regulations. That's not happening on the ice though. People who are going out to bear witness to what happens there are arrested, the video confiscated and destroyed then they are harassed and forced to leave the town they are staying at to do their work.

I wonder how that would go over at an abattoir if the inspectors where treated in that manner?

Yes you would go to jail because a dog is a pet. But seals are a renewable resource to be exploited by man...just like a cow. Come on now....let your mind grasp that for a minute. Killing is killing. You can't justify it by keeping an animal behind a fence or inside a barn only to be slaughtered later for dinner.

Renewable like Cod? This "devine entitlement" you show here is what the problem is and has been ever since we started forcing all tribes to join up or perish.

A wild animal isn't like a domesticated animal at all. You're failure to understand that betrays your serious lack of understanding of the issue. Not surprising at all just disapointing. You lay the emotional tag on anyone concerned with animal rights based on tradition, fear and the ridiculous notion that people have to go kill some defenceless animal to confirm some measure of manhood.

Cows don't exist in the wild. Niether do pigs or chickens. They did some ten thousand years ago but things have changed. Being a domesticated animal has some benefits along with the fact that at a predettermined time, they are going to die. But they won't be run down by a preditor, they won't starve, they won't have to stand out in the weather or run out of water. If they weren't domesitcated they wouldn't be here.

The justification for them is that they are a food stock. The seals slaughtered on the East coast are not. And now their fur which is the only thing harvested from them are worth less than a case of beer. If there was no commercial seal slaughter, no one would die from it. If we stopped killing livestock today, we would starve long before any sort of substitution was put into place.

Not really. If McCartney said diddling kids was bad I'd have to go right along with him. However, I totally disagree with him on the sealing issue. Anyway, Heather messed with his head. I'll forgive him for that little indisgression. McCartney has his place in history. And it's not on the icefields off P.E.I.

So if in that case I said to you:

"You've been led astray by shocking pictures on the Internet and Paul McCartney's addled mind after Heather Mills got through with him. If a Beatle says it's wrong it must be so. You've been so manipulated by political correctness you cannot think for yourselves anymore."

What would you respond with? It's a bogus argument regardless of the position. Celebrity is right or wrong based on what they say not who they are. You should by now understand that.

As far as skinning an animal while it's still conscious, no, I have not said anywhere that I agree with this.

Ah but this happens and your response to it is "so what".

Show me. I'm simply saying that a hunt this large is bound to have some unfortunate incidents where the animal will suffer.

What you seem to be side stepping here is that the method in which seals are stunned is at the very best, 2% failure. The very best optimistic estimation.
Not that the CVMA is at all confident of that number as stated in their report I linked to previously. The other end of that estimation is 40%. We don't know where the truth in that spread is because the sight of this slaughter is so nasty they don't let anyone close enough to record and study what actually goes on.
When that happens guys like you get pissed off at what's shown to the public.

If it has to be hidden away then you can be sure it's not what it's being called.
"Hunt" is a pretty big stretch of the imagination come to think of it.

You tell me the odd cow or pig don't suffer while the slaughter is taking place. I'll wager it happens more often than on the icefields off Atlantic Canada.

Any suffering they do is for our own sustenance. That is what they were bred, kept and managed for. The slaughter prossess is quick and painless for the most part. Again you will have to produce some sort of evidence to back up your "wager" as to the statistics. Should be interesting to see where you turn to gather that information if you even try. :lol:

Mister, I'm not asking you to go along with anything. You're a grown man and you can make your own decisions.

Didn't you just tell me that I should be standing up defending my country over this? I'll go have a look for that and see if I can post it later.

And I see you have. Unfortunately, you have made the wrong one.:-( Me...yeah, I don't see anything wrong with harvesting a patch of wild animals if the populations can sustain the hunt each year. We do it all the time with other species.

I see, kill something for the sake of killing something as long as there are plenty to kill. Seems to be a ridiculous position to take but then I am not you.

Ah Unforgiven you were doing so well too. I'm disappointed in you. Here I thought you were a worthy adversary, but alas...you fall wa-a-ay short with that comment.

Was I doing so well? Thanks. I see you have claimed victory here. Sort like Bush declaring he won the war in Iraq so many years ago.

Suffice it to say you are sharp of tongue but weak of heart. I'll leave it at that.

I have not even started with the sharp tongue part yet. They had to close the Steal Cage because some people are so ****ing sensitive that seeing *$%&@@)! ruins their whole day. You aren't one of those PC butt napkins are you Pockets?

 

[Unforgiven]

I support the seal hunt. Its a renewable resource. The hunters have a stake in the well being and pristineness of their local ecology. Seals aren't endangered or even threatened. The hunt is well managed and regulated. Its environmentally and ecologically sound. Seals are killed in a manner which meet the same standard of humaneness as what goes on in an abattoir.

From a wildlife management viewpoint harvesting baby seals has the least impact on the seal population. Killing adult females would have the greatest impact. I would even support taking white coats. If these animals weren't so cute I doubt nearly as many people would oppose the hunt.

Managing our natural resources shouldn't be based on psuedo science, misperceptions or conserving the cute. People who oppose the seal hunt have humanized baby seals. They react to the seal hunt as if this was a debate about hunting children. Baby seals have big brown eyes and look sad, but they aren't human. They are animals like cows. They are probably less intelligent than pigs, which are fairly intelligent BTW. Many animals far less cute than baby seals continue to be hunted, yet they don't get the same level of attention. Some of these species are more threatened than seals and actually do require protection from exploitation so that they don't become extinct or threatened with extinction.

If you eat meat, yet oppose the seal hunt on the grounds that its cruel and inhumane, then you are a hypocrite. Only vegans who don't consume any animal products can legitimately criticize the seal hunt on the grounds of humaneness. They can also legitimately criticize what goes on in an abattoir.

I'm not a hypocrite. I eat meat. Given the way seals are hunted and their abundance, I'd eat seal meat if it was available. It sounds healthy and nutritious. I would buy seal products. I'd like to see the entire animal used. Killing an animal and not making use of every part possible seems disrespectful to me.

But the animals slaughtered in the commercial slaughter are only stipped of their pelts. The rest of the seal is left on the ice.

 

[TenPenny]

I have not even started with the sharp tongue part yet. They had to close the Steal Cage because some people are so ****ing sensitive that seeing *$%&@@)! ruins their whole day. You aren't one of those PC butt napkins are you Pockets?

The third consecutive doublet rolled in one turn is a penalty, and pawns are not moved the number of spaces shown on dice. A player with a three doublet penalty also removes their pawn closest to home back to their nest, and his/her turn ends.

 

[Unforgiven]

The third consecutive doublet rolled in one turn is a penalty, and pawns are not moved the number of spaces shown on dice. A player with a three doublet penalty also removes their pawn closest to home back to their nest, and his/her turn ends.

Is it that you're just frustrated and can't find the words, or that you need some attention or something?

 

[TenPenny]

I lost my first two games and won my last two. My first game wasn't very memorable, I got whooped, but good. She bingo in her second turn, I tried to play off one of her hook words and make "roofy/yean."

 

[lone wolf]

I lost my first two games and won my last two. My first game wasn't very memorable, I got whooped, but good. She bingo in her second turn, I tried to play off one of her hook words and make "roofy/yean."

...that's way beyond Pong....

 

[JLM]

I lost my first two games and won my last two. My first game wasn't very memorable, I got whooped, but good. She bingo in her second turn, I tried to play off one of her hook words and make "roofy/yean."

I thought the thread was about seals, how did we get to this?

 

[Unforgiven]

I thought the thread was about seals, how did we get to this?

If you can't beat em, change the subject. :roll:

 

[mt_pockets1000]

You aren't one of those PC butt napkins are you Pockets?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :roll:

 

[TenPenny]

I thought the thread was about seals, how did we get to this?

Trying to continue the same degree of rational thought that was going on.

 

[mt_pockets1000]

Ah, you're guessing are you? Shouldn't you do the research so that you know the facts? Or is that just something you toss up at others in hopes they will not bother doing the home work? :roll:

Naw, couldn't care less really. And why the continual rolling of the eyes? Do you have an eyelash caught in there or something? Or are you just so disgusted all the time?

No that's not what ticks me off. But speaking of misinformation and propaganda, you try to make it out that whitecoats and beaters aren't even the same animal. Two weeks apart in age son. That's all. Still unable to swim away, still a pup.
The joke is that you actually believe that there is some huge difference.

I said no such thing. You are the master at putting words in my mouth. Here...try this in your mouth.

Yes and when I hear about any place not following procedure I'll make a complaint. Someone will go and inspect the abattoir to see that it is following regulations. That's not happening on the ice though. People who are going out to bear witness to what happens there are arrested, the video confiscated and destroyed then they are harassed and forced to leave the town they are staying at to do their work. I wonder how that would go over at an abattoir if the inspectors where treated in that manner?

Yeah, stay the phuck off the ice while the sealers are doing their work. One day a protester is going to be shot (accidentally mind you) while they go about their 'noble' work. Cry me a freakin' river. So the protesters can harrass all they want but when the tables are turned they cry wolf. Bunch of arseholes.

Renewable like Cod? This "devine entitlement" you show here is what the problem is and has been ever since we started forcing all tribes to join up or perish.

Personnally, I think joining up was one of the biggest mistakes ever undertaken by the east coast provinces and tribes.

A wild animal isn't like a domesticated animal at all. You're failure to understand that betrays your serious lack of understanding of the issue. Not surprising at all just disapointing. You lay the emotional tag on anyone concerned with animal rights based on tradition, fear and the ridiculous notion that people have to go kill some defenceless animal to confirm some measure of manhood.

No? Other than the fence, what makes a wild animal different from a domesticated one? Do they not breathe the same air, have similar bodily functions, feel pain the same way, birth their young only to have them destroyed for man's needs? Take off your blinders my funny forum friend.

Cows don't exist in the wild. Niether do pigs or chickens. They did some ten thousand years ago but things have changed. Being a domesticated animal has some benefits along with the fact that at a predettermined time, they are going to die. But they won't be run down by a preditor, they won't starve, they won't have to stand out in the weather or run out of water. If they weren't domesitcated they wouldn't be here.

See above...

The justification for them is that they are a food stock. The seals slaughtered on the East coast are not. And now their fur which is the only thing harvested from them are worth less than a case of beer. If there was no commercial seal slaughter, no one would die from it. If we stopped killing livestock today, we would starve long before any sort of substitution was put into place.

Well now that's no justification at all. We don't need to eat cows or any other animal to survive. You just think you do.

So if in that case I said to you:

"You've been led astray by shocking pictures on the Internet and Paul McCartney's addled mind after Heather Mills got through with him. If a Beatle says it's wrong it must be so. You've been so manipulated by political correctness you cannot think for yourselves anymore."

What would you respond with? It's a bogus argument regardless of the position. Celebrity is right or wrong based on what they say not who they are. You should by now understand that.

A celebrity has no more say in this matter than you or I. Just because they've achieved a certain level of notoriety in their chose field doesn't make them experts on subjects they know nothing about. Most of them support causes for no other reason than to bring their pathetic lives back into the limelight. Celebrities are so vain and fickle. McCartney is a case in point.

Ah but this happens and your response to it is "so what".

That about covers it.

What you seem to be side stepping here is that the method in which seals are stunned is at the very best, 2% failure. The very best optimistic estimation.
Not that the CVMA is at all confident of that number as stated in their report I linked to previously. The other end of that estimation is 40%. We don't know where the truth in that spread is because the sight of this slaughter is so nasty they don't let anyone close enough to record and study what actually goes on.
When that happens guys like you get pissed off at what's shown to the public.

So what you're saying is all this kerfuffle is based on speculation on the IFAW's part? I knew it.

If it has to be hidden away then you can be sure it's not what it's being called.
"Hunt" is a pretty big stretch of the imagination come to think of it.

Think of it as a huge abattoir on the open icefields. Pretend there are imaginary walls around the icefield. Now does your politically correct mind come to grips with it?

Any suffering they do is for our own sustenance. That is what they were bred, kept and managed for. The slaughter prossess is quick and painless for the most part. Again you will have to produce some sort of evidence to back up your "wager" as to the statistics. Should be interesting to see where you turn to gather that information if you even try. :lol:

Your interest will have to remain piqued for awhile because I have no intention of researching statistics. Cold hard facts yes.

Didn't you just tell me that I should be standing up defending my country over this? I'll go have a look for that and see if I can post it later.

The operative word is "should". Nowhere did I actually force or demand that you do it. See the difference?

I see, kill something for the sake of killing something as long as there are plenty to kill. Seems to be a ridiculous position to take but then I am not you.

You obviously live in a shiny tower somewhere in downtown Ontario. If you had to depend on the wild for survival you would die a quick death. Are you so hoodwinked by the naysayers that you can't think for yourself? They are killing the seals and selling the coats for profit...get it?...profit. Capitalistic greed. It's happening all around you. Animals, people, soil, water, minerals...everything under the sun is exploited for profit. That's how the system works. You have this image of a bloodthirsty, savage hunter out there on the ice clubbing seals for fun...hahaha...give your head a shake. These are hardworking people who most times are barely able to survive on the meager incomes they receive. They are simply supplementing their income providing a product that some people in the world want. And it certainly isn't the lily livered ivory tower type people in the glass structures of downtown TO that are buying the coats. No, it's the sensible people of China, Russia, Norway and other countries that don't have a problem using what mother nature has amply provided.

Was I doing so well? Thanks. I see you have claimed victory here. Sort like Bush declaring he won the war in Iraq so many years ago.

Yes you were doing quite well until it became personal. I know it's tough for you since you enjoy berating people on this forum. I set the tone like you asked but you didn't remain between the ditches like you promised. As for victory, there is none in this debate. Both sides have a valid argument. I'm just promoting mine, as you are yours. Personal attacks don't help us at all.

I have not even started with the sharp tongue part yet. They had to close the Steal Cage because some people are so ****ing sensitive that seeing *$%&@@)! ruins their whole day.

I know you haven't and I commend you for holding off on the &%#@$@! for so long. I'm seeing huge improvements in your behaviour. We may be able to release you into the general population soon.:lol:

 

[Unforgiven]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :roll:

I know, "butt napkins" it's great. Use it anytime, my gift to you. :smile:

 

[TenPenny]

God protect the cute animals, and to hell with the rest.

New York, what a town. Where else can you buy a house one day, and sell it the next?

 

[mt_pockets1000]

I know, "butt napkins" it's great. Use it anytime, my gift to you. :smile:

Thanks man. It's the gift that keeps on smelling. Sorta like seal blubber.:lol:

 

[Unforgiven]

Naw, couldn't care less really. And why the continual rolling of the eyes? Do you have an eyelash caught in there or something? Or are you just so disgusted all the time?

Well I commend you for talking this much about something you couldn't care less about. You maybe right though, I find myself disgusted at my fellow man more and more often these days. That you are happy to take one thing as gospel without so much as a glance at any of the data collected, then turn around and expect someone else to do some research and find in the mountians of data the facts of the matter is a bit disheartening. Didn't you ask me why I wasn't joining in and standing up for my country against the policies of the EU?

I said no such thing. You are the master at putting words in my mouth. Here...try this in your mouth.

I dont' see anything. Are you sure you got a hold of it? Maybe it's tucked back or something? Well you get that together and come back and see me. :lol:

Yeah, stay the phuck off the ice while the sealers are doing their work. One day a protester is going to be shot (accidentally mind you) while they go about their 'noble' work. Cry me a freakin' river. So the protesters can harrass all they want but when the tables are turned they cry wolf. Bunch of arseholes.

But if everything is on the up and up, then there shouldn't be a problem watching sealers work should there? No sensible "hunter" would shoot at something they don't want to kill so there should be not problem that way. Unless there is some dirty buggers going on that no one wants monitored or, gasp, the public to find out about. Some industry. :roll:

Personnally, I think joining up was one of the biggest mistakes ever undertaken by the east coast provinces and tribes.

Yeah lots of Aboriginals didn't join up in the beginning. Now what's left is wearhoused on the crap land and should any of them get uppity about it, we either buy them off or discredit them so they look like a bunch of punks. I wonder how many tribes there used to be?

No? Other than the fence, what makes a wild animal different from a domesticated one? Do they not breathe the same air, have similar bodily functions, feel pain the same way, birth their young only to have them destroyed for man's needs? Take off your blinders my funny forum friend.

Here is one main one off the top of my head. Wolves run down old and sickly carriboo. That's the way it works. No one is concerned aobut that. It's natures way.

Wolves run down a cow and you have dead wolves in a week.

Do you see a difference now?

Well now that's no justification at all. We don't need to eat cows or any other animal to survive. You just think you do.

Yeah sure buddy. You just think it's a hunt. :lol:

A celebrity has no more say in this matter than you or I. Just because they've achieved a certain level of notoriety in their chose field doesn't make them experts on subjects they know nothing about. Most of them support causes for no other reason than to bring their pathetic lives back into the limelight. Celebrities are so vain and fickle. McCartney is a case in point.

No you're wrong. The only merit any celebrity has is in direct proportion to their level of agreement with what you think. If McCartney was in favour of the slaughter, you would be singing in praise of wise old Sir Paul. That reflects far more upon you than he sir.

Think of it as a huge abattoir on the open icefields. Pretend there are imaginary walls around the icefield. Now does your politically correct mind come to grips with it?

Sorry you seem to be the one imagining that the commercial seal slaughter is feeding people and providing all kinds of miracle sauce to cure the ills of one and all instead of a brutal inhumane slaughter of animals for their fur alone the reflects badly on the rest of Canada.

Your interest will have to remain piqued for awhile because I have no intention of researching statistics. Cold hard facts yes.

I haven't seen you do much of any of that yet. I guess your best is yet to come?

The operative word is "should". Nowhere did I actually force or demand that you do it. See the difference?

It's what you're left with being unable to force or demand anything from me. It's a stupid premise to be sure. Instead, you do what you think is right and I'll stick to my own thoughts and actions. That way we can both be sure of doing what we think is right rather than blindly following along like a mindless whatever it is that you expect to follow you.

You obviously live in a shiny tower somewhere in downtown Ontario.

Downtown Ontario! :lol: heh heh heh you really do live in Edmonton don't you.

If you had to depend on the wild for survival you would die a quick death.

I might surprise but anyway I don't. I can go for a stroll down a few blocks and have the best of anything I want. I know you can't understand that but it's a fact all the same.

Are you so hoodwinked by the naysayers that you can't think for yourself?

And yet I just told you to go blow big rosie for suggesting I "should" do what you tell me to without all these pesky questions. heh heh I think maybe you're projecting a little there mister pockets of buckshot. :lol:

They are killing the seals and selling the coats for profit...get it?...profit. Capitalistic greed. It's happening all around you. Animals, people, soil, water, minerals...everything under the sun is exploited for profit. That's how the system works.

That's how your system works. My system puts a stop to the senselessness of your system. Evolution works like that. I know you choose not to believe in that sort of stuff, but it doesn't matter what you believe.

You have this image of a bloodthirsty, savage hunter out there on the ice clubbing seals for fun...hahaha...give your head a shake. These are hardworking people who most times are barely able to survive on the meager incomes they receive. They are simply supplementing their income providing a product that some people in the world want.

No quite but I will submit that sitting here and having been retired for about 3 years now I am still doing better financially than any sealer. You tell me who has it figured out.

And it certainly isn't the lily livered ivory tower type people in the glass structures of downtown TO that are buying the coats. No, it's the sensible people of China, Russia, Norway and other countries that don't have a problem using what mother nature has amply provided.

Yeah I think you will find the same people used all the Cod too. Unless someone says stop, they seem eager enough to use it all and leave nothing. Some of us know that our kids will need to have as well. So it's not the goal to take everything simply for the sake of taking everything. Our kids will need to have some of that too.

Yes you were doing quite well until it became personal. I know it's tough for you since you enjoy berating people on this forum. I set the tone like you asked but you didn't remain between the ditches like you promised. As for victory, there is none in this debate. Both sides have a valid argument. I'm just promoting mine, as you are yours. Personal attacks don't help us at all.

As I said you set the tone, and so I have remained civil and on topic throughout.
Regardless of the few who would choose to change this from discussion to a flamewar. I don't mind going either way. I can play chess and brawl as good as any and better than most.

Still you haven't conviced me that bashing a seal pup in the head then skinning it dead or alive only to throw away the meat, you say is soooo good, is anything more than a brutal disgrace for Canada as a country. I only wish you would have brought up some hard data to back up your claims.

How ever to each his own.

I know you haven't and I commend you for holding off on the &%#@$@! for so long. I'm seeing huge improvements in your behaviour. We may be able to release you into the general population soon.:lol:

Control is an illusion.