WikiLeaks Assange to be extradited

CDNBear

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IF I am so ignorant in your eyes....
Not just his.

....why do you bother to read anything I post here???
Your stupidity is entertaining.

What makes YOU think I give a damn about what you think about ME. ???
The question marks behind your questions.

Yes you do.

But I DO care about everyone's opinions about the issues at hand.
No you don't.

One does not have to agree with everyone all the time........as that would defeat the idea of any kind of true discussion.
You're the anti thesis to true discussion.
 

Cliffy

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well, Cliffy, I would like to know now.......while I am still conscious and able to compute the information .;-)
Things are being revealed for the reason stated in my quote. As far as I'm concerned, what is happening is not a moral or legal issue, it is prophetic revelation. There can be nowhere to hide, nowhere to run. Time for a cleansing, time to get naked. Yahooo!!!!
 

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Things are being revealed for the reason stated in my quote. As far as I'm concerned, what is happening is not a moral or legal issue, it is prophetic revelation. There can be nowhere to hide, nowhere to run. Time for a cleansing, time to get naked. Yahooo!!!!

You been drinking??? lol
 

mentalfloss

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The U.S. are gonna throw him in Gitmo and pee on him while waterboarding Manning.
 

Colpy

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The U.S. are gonna throw him in Gitmo and pee on him while waterboarding Manning.

Ahh....they shouldn't do that.....Assange is no longer a threat, although I wouldn't have blamed them a bit if they had assassinated him a year ago. I'm not sure they could even convict him of anything, considering the Pentagon Papers precedent.

Manning, however, if found guilty, should be sentenced to the maximum....72 years in military prison. treason is no laughing matter.
 

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Nothing is absolute. Sorry a plain YES or NO does not work..

Taliban in Afghanistan says they will target informants outed by WikiLeaks for working with U.S. - New York Daily News

The Taliban is wired and they're pouring over the military intelligence published by WikiLeaks earlier this week.

"We are studying the report," Zabihullah Mujahid, a self-proclaimed spokesman for the Taliban in Afghanistan, told British television station Channel 4.

"We will investigate through our own secret service whether the people mentioned are really spies working for the U.S. If they are U.S. spies, then we know how to punish them."

The Taliban is well-known for executing their enemies. These revenge killings typically take place in public, as a warning to would-be opposition.



Taliban Use Wikileaks to Hunt, Murder Named Afghans

That is clearly not Wikileaks’ fault. But it does demonstrate the extreme risk many Afghans took in choosing to oppose the Taliban domination of their homes. I should note The Times, along with the New York Times, the Guardian, and Der Spiegel (and, frankly, every major paper that’s covered this story) has chosen to redact the Afghan names contained in the Wikileaks data. Despite withholding some 15,000 incident reports for “safety reasons,” thousands of documents in the archive do identify Afghans by name, family, location, and ideology.

Thanks to WikiLeaks, Taliban Seeks Revenge on Named Informants « The Foxhole

Zabihullah Mujahid, a Taliban spokesman, said they were studying and investigating the report, adding “If they are US spies, then we know how to punish them.”

The warning came as the US military’s top officer, Admiral Mike Mullen said that Julian Assange, the founder of Wikileaks, may already have blood on his hands following the leak of 92,000 classified documents relating to the war in Afghanistan by his website.

“Mr (Julian) Assange can say whatever he likes about the greater good he thinks he and his source are doing, but the truth is they might already have on their hands the blood of some young Soldier or that of an Afghan family,” he said.

Information from the documents could reveal:

Names and addresses of Afghans cooperating with Nato forces
Precise GPS locations of Afghans
Sources and methods of gathering intelligence
 

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Taliban in Afghanistan says they will target informants outed by WikiLeaks for working with U.S. - New York Daily News

The Taliban is wired and they're pouring over the military intelligence published by WikiLeaks earlier this week.

"We are studying the report," Zabihullah Mujahid, a self-proclaimed spokesman for the Taliban in Afghanistan, told British television station Channel 4.

"We will investigate through our own secret service whether the people mentioned are really spies working for the U.S. If they are U.S. spies, then we know how to punish them."

The Taliban is well-known for executing their enemies. These revenge killings typically take place in public, as a warning to would-be opposition.



Taliban Use Wikileaks to Hunt, Murder Named Afghans

That is clearly not Wikileaks’ fault. But it does demonstrate the extreme risk many Afghans took in choosing to oppose the Taliban domination of their homes. I should note The Times, along with the New York Times, the Guardian, and Der Spiegel (and, frankly, every major paper that’s covered this story) has chosen to redact the Afghan names contained in the Wikileaks data. Despite withholding some 15,000 incident reports for “safety reasons,” thousands of documents in the archive do identify Afghans by name, family, location, and ideology.

Thanks to WikiLeaks, Taliban Seeks Revenge on Named Informants « The Foxhole

Zabihullah Mujahid, a Taliban spokesman, said they were studying and investigating the report, adding “If they are US spies, then we know how to punish them.”

The warning came as the US military’s top officer, Admiral Mike Mullen said that Julian Assange, the founder of Wikileaks, may already have blood on his hands following the leak of 92,000 classified documents relating to the war in Afghanistan by his website.

“Mr (Julian) Assange can say whatever he likes about the greater good he thinks he and his source are doing, but the truth is they might already have on their hands the blood of some young Soldier or that of an Afghan family,” he said.

Information from the documents could reveal:

Names and addresses of Afghans cooperating with Nato forces
Precise GPS locations of Afghans
Sources and methods of gathering intelligence

Which is exactly why the Americans should have assassinated Assange.

He was a military asset of the enemy.
 

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Which is exactly why the Americans should have assassinated Assange.

He was a military asset of the enemy.

He is quite safe - Anything happens to him the US is in the default position for being responsible. He could be hit by a falling satellite and many would say the US planned it.
Now Iran could take him out to cause problems for the US.
 

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He is quite safe - Anything happens to him the US is in the default position for being responsible. He could be hit by a falling satellite and many would say the US planned it.
Now Iran could take him out to cause problems for the US.

More importantly, he is no longer a threat.....so why bother??

But then, were I the Americans, I would WANT people to know he had been killed for endangering our allies.
 

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More importantly, he is no longer a threat.....so why bother??

But then, were I the Americans, I would WANT people to know he had been killed for endangering our allies.

No. you want to pin the blame on someone else.
 

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This seems like the best place to post this story:

George Galloway condemned by party leader over rape comments
Respect party leader, Salma Yaqoob, described the MP for Bradford West's remarks as 'deeply disappointing and wrong'

George Galloway condemned by party leader over rape comments | Politics | The Guardian

I'm fairly certain Assange actions (or lack of action) regarding these women would not be rape as per the Canadian Criminal code. But Sweden has a much broader definition of rape than Canada.

Here the basis of the "rape" allegations against Assange:

The European Arrest Warrant contained four complaints from two different women: that on 14 August 2010 he committed "unlawful coercion" when he held plaintiff 1 down with his body weight in a sexual manner; that he "sexually molested" plaintiff 1 when he had condom-less sex with her after she insisted that he use one; that he had condom-less sex with plaintiff 2 on the morning of 17 August while she was asleep; and that he "deliberately molested" plaintiff 1 on 18 August 2010 by pressing his erect penis against her body.

The defence also highlighted evidence that: plaintiff 2 had later admitted to being "half asleep" after consensual sex, rather than "asleep"; that the plaintiffs had originally been seeking to compel Assange to take an STD test rather than prosecution[244]; and that plaintiff 1 had thrown a Crayfish party party for Assange at her home the evening after the alleged incidents, from which she tweeted: "Sitting outdoors at 02:00 and hardly freezing with the world's coolest, smartest people! It's amazing!" and invited Assange to stay in her room afterwards

Even the original prosecutor didn't think the women's complaints qualified as rape:

Assange has described all the sexual encounters as consensual and statements by the plaintiffs confirm that the encounters at least started as such.[232][233] The arrest warrant was canceled on 21 August 2010 by one of Stockholm's Chief Prosecutors, Eva Finne, and the investigation was downgraded to only cover lesser allegations. Finné said in a statement to the press: "I don't think there is reason to suspect that he has committed rape."[234] The warrant was subsequently re-issued by another Swedish Chief Prosecutor Marianne Ny on 1 September 2010 who considered that the allegations could be classed as rape after all.

Galloway's comments:
...rape allegations facing the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange amount to little more than "really bad manners" and "bad sexual etiquette"... ...even if the complaints made against Assange by two women in Sweden were "100% true", they still could not be considered rape. "They don't constitute rape," he said in a video podcast on Monday. "At least not rape as anyone with any sense can possibly recognise it."

He went on: "Some people believe that when you go to bed with somebody, take off your clothes, and have sex with them and then fall asleep, you're already in the sex game with them. It might be really bad manners not to have tapped her on the shoulder and said: 'Do you mind if I do it again?' It might be really sordid and bad sexual etiquette, but whatever else it is, it is not rape, or you bankrupt the term rape of all meaning."

"No never means yes and non-consensual sex is rape," he said. "There's no doubt about it and that has always been my position. But if my remarks on the podcast need clarification, I am happy to do that. Julian Assange – let's be clear – has always denied the allegations. And this has all the hallmarks of a setup. I don't believe, from what we know, that the director of public prosecutions would sanction a prosecution in Britain. What occurred is not rape as most people understand it. And it's important to note that the two women involved did not initially claim it."

Before issuing the statement, Galloway took to Twitter to dismiss criticism of his remarks. "Oh how this 'liberal' chorus of Pavlovian reaction must delight the Pentagon!" he tweeted. "Oh my, what a lot of 'liberal' useful idiots the Empire can count on. It's about Wikileaks, stupid ... !"

George Galloway condemned by party leader over rape comments | Politics | The Guardian

My understanding is that these women only complained to the police after they found out Assange had slept with both of them. Later they tried to drop the rape charges, but in Sweden, a prosecutor can still proceed with charges even without the cooperation of the alleged victims.

If true is Assange guilty of rape or was he just guilty of bad manners???

Also, if this person wasn't responsible for leaking classified documents, how likely is it that the second Swedish prosecutor would have revived the charges?

Does anyone else here think Assange is the target of a malicious prosecution?