Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?

[French Patriot]

Everyone is talking about God . God this ....God that .Who ,what the hell is God .Can anyone explain ....please >

Only I can judge God. I isyou if you choose to be.

Using the term --- I am heremeans you. This applies to all of us. You are ( I ) to you as I am I to me.Only you then can judge the God construct that you see as you evaluate what youknow of God.

Jesus said that at the end ofdays he would return. He meant in spirit only. Not a physical manifestation. Healso said that the time of the end was at hand and that the temple of God waswithin each of us. The tern spirit represents, the spirit of the law, what iswritten in the hearts, ---- God in other words, ---- is defined as laws andrules and such as they are the only thing you can follow at all times, ---- andthese are set by you and you are in effect ruling yourself in terms offollowing the God construct you have developed.

Jesus is telling you that youand your heart are the only things of importance in terms of leadership as itis the rules you have accepted as worthy of following. Jesus warned that at endtimes there would be a number of Jesus’ to choose from and morality is what youwill have to choose from.

That is why I think itimportant to evaluate what Jesus said and determine if it is worthy and moralor not.

Jesus Christ. Madman orsomething worse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4QXOgVfY9k&feature=player_embedded

Below, Bishop Spong speaks ofbasically redefining Christianity. Going from a church or religious thinking,to a more spiritual or heart felt thinking. I also urge Christianity to changebecause it is now too immoral to ignore with today’s mentality. It’s overallpolicies are immoral in my view. The God of war must die and Jesus declared thefull and only God that is required and that the noble lie of politics should berevoked to let all know that the God you likely know was always a myth. This may be a good time for you tocontemplate such a move as many Christians haves rejected the O.T. God and onlyfocus on Jesus and loving policies.

Bishop Spong speaks well tothis issue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AfFcAmx-Ro&feature=relmfu

Apotheosis means justrecognizing that you are on a journey of being your own God. Some few will havehelp from God on this through a real apotheosis but only the very few it seems.You cannot get away from that fact so you may as well forget about fantasy,miracles and magic. They were never real and you are the strongest force youwill ever know. After all, who but you can make you want to do anything voluntarily?There is no other force that can do this and therefore you are God in the realsense of being master of yourself. If that does not compute with you thenremember that A & E became as Gods, God’s own words, and yours is the same birthrite. Throw it away if you wish. You cannot reject the knowledge of good andevil so I cannot fathom why you would throw away the fact that you as well canbecome as Gods.

The moral of Jesus and hissacrifice is that we should accept being God, and ruling ourselves even againsta government if needs be. Become archetypal Moses and face government anddeclare that it faces one as great as itself. That is what being a free man isall about.

The time of the end is when Jesusbecomes your God on earth, ---- again this is you, --- who takes the place ofthe mythical heavenly God of war. Jesus/you, as the way, the man’s way ofjudging first, not some absentee God’s unknown standard. Your covenant withyourself is to be the new covenant. Man answering to man and himself. Not to someunknown God.

This clip from J. Haidt showsthat we instinctively share God’s morals. In this we are truly Gods andchildren of God.

http://blog.ted.com/2008/09/17/the_real_differ/

I am God because I am theonly one who is capable of judging the God I know.

You are a God in your ownrite as you are the only one who is capable of judging the God you know.

The Noble Lie is firmly inplace and manipulating your thinking. Discard it. In this day and age we do notneed it the way we may have in the past.

The Noble Lie.
In politics a noble lie is amyth or untruth, often, but not invariably, of a religious nature, knowinglytold by an elite to maintain social harmony or to advance an agenda.

As a Gnostic Christian, thistheology/philosophy is quite natural to me and can be for all people.

Try thinking as the God thatyou are. Stop being a sheep and rise to your true inheritance as a shepherd.That is the message Jesus wants you to recognize.

Regards
DL

P.S.
Listen to Jesus and hear forthe first time in your life.
Ps 82:6 I said, "You aregods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.
Hosea 1:10 Ye are the sons ofthe living God.
Do you think that sons of Godare destined to be sheep or shepherds?
Jesus was here to empower us.Not enslave us. Do not waste what he gave.

Somewhere back here its suggested French Patriot that you and I would not be at odds
regarding religion. I said the conservatives took over Christianity from the one who did
most of the work to keep it alive. That means Rome before Constantine was a vast right
wing fascist state. Yes conservatives have taken over it does not mean religion has now
become evil it just means the conservatives have difficulty reconciling their positions
from that which Christ taught. His teachings if you read them were actually a mixture of
left and right. Its the apostles that defined these positions after his death.
We now have four versions of the Bible New Testament. This quite frankly was done to
ensure the Church survived as the four main figures fought for control of the church.
There are according to some nearly two dozen Gospels ones like Timothy which were
farther to the left in viewpoint. Others of course would balance this. They are apparently
locked in the Vatican.
This means the church turned from faith to politics. Constantine used the new faith to save
Rome the instant conversion thing. In the twelfth century it changed again as Pope Gregory
Sold shares into Heaven for donations to Build the present Papal Structures in Rome.
We have King James version and others along the way and my question is what ever really
happened to Jesus version that has somehow been written over.
You some how want to make every passage a thing of evil and I believe people will fear what
they don't understand and fear leads to misconceptions, sometimes hate and God knows what
else. You know where to find the words to condemn but somehow you lack the understanding
of the words. No I don't think we would have too much in common and I am not all that religious.

You asked of Jesus' message. I gave what I think it was just above.

Thinking the way I do, I do not have much in common with most as most will not put the effort into thinking that I do.
Mine is a matter of pride in trying to never be wrong.

Regards
DL

How many dozens of times have I seen that question? God doesn't work that way. The world was pretty well set up to run perfectly, with systems in place to balance things off as they get out of whack. God doesn't concern himself with the individual but rather with trends. As long as you don't buck established trends you are probably fairly safe, but nothing is for certain because we can't predict what other members of the human race are going to do.

Yuk. Don't buck the system indicates that the system is good.

Would you tell Rosa Parks to not buck the system and get to the back of the bus?

Would you tell A & E to not eat of the tree of damned near all knowledge and stay as bright as bricks?

Regards
DL

 

[DaSleeper]

Anyone read that shyte....Dennis?

 

[Cliffy]

Anyone read that shyte....Dennis?

Yup. I think he is on to something. But keeping an open mind is difficult for most. They seem to think that it may cause their brains to leak out.

And although his posting style is reminiscent of Denis, he is nothing like Denis in his thinking and approach.

 

[DaSleeper]

Yup. I think he is on to something. But keeping an open mind is difficult for most..

Birds of a feather:roll:

 

[Cliffy]

Birds of a feather:roll:

I like to read what others have to say with an open mind. Everybody has a point of view worth consideration. I try not to judge others by their beliefs, even if I disagree. Where I have been critical is when I see someone condemning other for their beliefs. But, I know, dogma is a hard habit to break.

 

[1an]

I don't read anything that DL says. And to suggest that God hates babies, which he doesn't and neither does he hate children, but rather God loves children and babies, but it does leave me wondering what God thinks of DL?

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[DaSleeper]

I like to read what others have to say with an open mind. Everybody has a point of view worth consideration. I try not to judge others by their beliefs, even if I disagree. Where I have been critical is when I see someone condemning other for their beliefs. But, I know, dogma is a hard habit to break.

True enough...and there's a but..like the old farmer said to the travelling preacher in a tent after an hour long sermon all the while he was the only one listening to the sermon and the preacher at the end asked him how he liked it.....
When I bring feed to my cows in the different fields on my property, when I get to a field with only one cow; I feed it, but I don't dump the whole load on her.
If I want to look for religion...same as looking for a car, I like to deal with an old established firm....not some Internet preacher looking for a soapbox because he couldn't make it in the real world preaching to real people from a pulpit.

But this is the internet, where everyone has an equal opinion...

My only beef is that I usually click on those threads that I don't read just to mark them as read.then go on to the next so that can then concentrate on those that I want to read.....but those long soliloquies of that religious old troll with videos and pictures take a while to load before I can hit the back button....and I get impatient.:smile:

Now this morning, I got a few minutes so I had time to write this long post to explain myself.....

If Andem could put a "Mark as read" button besides each post....it would make my life easier and I suppose quite a few others....and you would never see me in those threads....

End of rant...............:lol:

 

[Cliffy]

I don't read anything that DL says. And to suggest that God hates babies, which he doesn't and neither does he hate children, but rather God loves children and babies, but it does leave me wondering what God thinks of DL?

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Well, if you did read what he said, you would see that he doesn't believe that, but if you follow the fundamentalist beliefs in god, they would lead you to believe that god hates babies.
I can understand his passion for trying to get people to see the errors in their thinking, It is standard procedure for new converts. 40 years ago I was the same way when I discovered metaphysics. Eventually he will mellow out in his approach.

 

[1an]

Well, if you did read what he said, you would see that he doesn't believe that, but if you follow the fundamentalist beliefs in god, they would lead you to believe that god hates babies.
I can understand his passion for trying to get people to see the errors in their thinking, It is standard procedure for new converts. 40 years ago I was the same way when I discovered metaphysics. Eventually he will mellow out in his approach.

He needs to hurry up then because he is upsetting people on another forum as well!

 

[Cliffy]

End of rant...............:lol:

Yup. I usually scan long rants like his to see if they might contain anything interesting but most of the time I skip any long posts by anybody, especially long cut and paste stuff.

He needs to hurry up then because he is upsetting people on another forum as well!

Heated debate usually upsets people especially when some is questioning another's beliefs, whether it is religion or politics. This is the internet, after all, and getting upset at people is silly. If this was real life, there would be blood shed everywhere.

 

[JLM]

Yup. I usually scan long rants like his to see if they might contain anything interesting but most of the time I skip any long posts by anybody, especially long cut and paste stuff.

Absolutely- the trick with OPs is to post the minimum needed to get peoples' attention and draw out ideas, could also save you from a "red neg"-

 

[MHz]

God in the OT doesn't start to judge people until they reach 20 years of age and judgment for man takes place before they reach 120. Moses killed a man and God killed him just before he turned 120 years old which is the judgment age where you don't go to the grave (and return from the same place) but you go to the fiery lake. Has anybody bothered to mention that a baby is born at conception rather than liver birth? Meaning a new name is entered into the book of life and as such they qualify for resurrection at the GWT rather than at the start of the 1,000 year reign. Technically even they are born into sin because the curse on Adam is still in effect for all his children.

That's a pretty ****ed up method, a long post contains no useful information, jet a short one is very useful to you, I guess you really do get out what you put in and I can see that has served you well, to the point there are never any that completely shut you up.

 

[French Patriot]

I don't read anything that DL says. And to suggest that God hates babies, which he doesn't and neither does he hate children, but rather God loves children and babies, but it does leave me wondering what God thinks of DL?

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You might wonder instead why God hardened Pharaoh's soft heart just so that he could murder the first born children and babies that he loved.

One of the gents in this clip asks quite the question on what children could possibly have done to deserve God's wrath and death.

God on Trial: The Verdict - YouTube

Regards
DL

He needs to hurry up then because he is upsetting people on another forum as well!

I call that success as many need to be upset with their foolish thinking.
It is called hitting a nerve.

You might note that those who are upset are those who do not think well enough to actually give an argument to defend their position.

Regards
DL

 

[lone wolf]

...kinda reminds me of my Lab shakin' off the mud

 

[coldstream]

Why does God hate babies whohave not sinned?

I think you use the word 'sinned' and 'hates' quite narrowly Patriot. Man is the inheritor of Original Sin through our first parents.. AND our path to Redemption through Christ. The Church struggled with the fate of unbaptised children for some Millenia before more or less putting the issue to rest under JP2 (ie.. they are not condemned to limbo).

It's not God who hates children.. it's modern human society who hates them.. condemning tens of millions of the innocents in their mother's wombs to death.. for the crime of being 'inconvenient' to their parents 'lifestyle' and an incursion into their 'freedom'.

 

[1an]

@DT. The oldest child could be an adult and a soldier.

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[Mowich]

Why does God hate babies whohave not sinned?

Scriptures indicate that Godknows that babies in the womb have not done anything good or evil. They alsoindicate that God hates some babies even while in the womb and innocent. It isalso said that God creates us and our characters. Our characters, as we evolve,cannot help but do evil. God then is responsible for the evil that we will doas he has created our natures. Natures that we cannot help but follow.

We can blame our free willand the choices we make for the evil that we do but this does not explain whyour God created natures decide to do evil. Theistic evolutionists try toexplain this paradox but the average literalist or fundamental Christian doesnot follow their reasoning.

We have no choice and no freewill to deviate from our God given sin nature and God would know this as it is wasall planned.Jesus was to die even beforeman was created. That is why Adam’s sin is called a necessary sin.

If we have no choice infollowing our sin natures, and cannot deviate from our part in God’s plan, thenwhat is God’s reason for punishing us for being exactly what he created andprogrammed us to do?

That is why Adam’s sin iscalled a necessary sin. He could not help but sin and neither can any of us.You cannot help but do evil and thus sin.

This is all rather abstractso if you like I will imagine a viable scenario for us to work with. We allknow that many are starving to death in various countries. Imagine one of thesestarving children walking past a farmer’s apple tree. The child knows that ifhe steals the apples that the farmer’s family will starve to death. He or shehas a choice of either stealing apples to prevent their death or not. Thesurvival instinct being our first instinct, I think apples will be eaten.

That child’s God given naturewill choose life, as all natures do by default, and eat an apple. Does thatchild deserve hell when it’s God given nature drove it to sin?

We cannot do anything butfollow our basic God given natures. Do we deserve hell for doing so?

Is God’s punishment unjust?

If sin was required for Jesusto manifest, Adam had to sin. Would his punishment and death have also beenunjust?

Did God, knowing Adam wouldbe a sinner and cause God’s/Jesus’ death, hate Adam as well when he wascreating him?

Regards
DL

This clip explains theisticevolution and how you cannot help but do evil and sin.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ProfMTH#g/c/6F8036F680C1DBEB

Since no one has actually had a face-to-face with 'god'........that we know of anyway.......the question is moot. Now had you written that some religions banned babies from going to heaven were they not baptized before death........you would have a point.

I was raised as a Roman Catholic and the church, when I was young, taught of a place called Limbo where unbaptized babies went after death. It wasn't by 'god's' side but at least they weren't burning in hell either. Having had two brothers who were still born, it was something of a comfort to know that.

The Catholic church has now done away with Limbo.

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/18025/limbo

 

[MHz]

The Catholic church has now done away with Limbo.

There never was a limbo, it was an intentionally fabricated lie, not their only one and they are still a long way off from full disclosure. ie eternity in hell issue for starters, like even leaving the Church will not cause that, what is will cause is you neighbors who did not also leave will give you the middle finger more often.

Ge:2:7:
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.

Ec:3:20:
All go unto one place;
all are of the dust,
and all turn to dust again.

Ec:12:7:
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

 

[JLM]

There never was a limbo, it was an intentionally fabricated lie, not their only one and they are still a long way off from full disclosure. ie eternity in hell issue for starters, like even leaving the Church will not cause that, what is will cause is you neighbors who did not also leave will give you the middle finger more often.

Ge:2:7:
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.

Ec:3:20:
All go unto one place;
all are of the dust,
and all turn to dust again.

Ec:12:7:
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

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I fail to see the relevence of quoting the Old Testament- there's probably more wisdom in Mother Goose don't you think?-

 

[darkbeaver]

God is the force called electromagnetism. You may now try and find any organics on this planet (or others if you can swing it) that do not exist because of electromagnetism. We are surrounded by God, there is no escape. Our sun (son) is a minor god which provides the chunk of the spectrum that compels matter to form living stuff that we share this old ball with. Water is it's main conductor, you are eighty seven point forty two percent conductor and the rest is just bones and a bag to hold it together. Mind stuff is not brain stuff, brain stuff is clay stuff, mind stuff is the software that runs the clay hardware. The red sea flows in our veins you must cross it to get to Israel.
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