Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?

[French Patriot]

What progressive churches meet your standard.

None.

Except Gnostic ones of my ilk of course. LOL.

I do recognize the good works some churches do for community but none teach of God as they should. They all promote a specific God and I see that as idol worship. From my Gnostic Christian POV, God, when found, should be set aside, the level of excellence raised up and the seeking to continue. To have God as perfect and unchanging is idol worship.

If literalist and fundamental Christians do not do this, they end as what we have now. Good people who follow and pray to a genocidal son murdering God who promotes human sacrifice and thinks it a good policy to punish the innocent instead of the guilty.

Quite immoral policies FMPOV.

Regards
DL

What is in the Bible has been re written dozens of time to fit the moral and political views
of those entrusted with the document. This also holds true for most of the great religious
books. Religion is not about a spiritual journey its about the ongoing political view of the
world.
Back in the time of Christ Rome was a vast right wing fascist state and Jesus spoke against
it. Now the Conservatives have control of the Christian movement and have had since
Constantine governed Rome. Christ would even recognize the movement he started if he
came back today.
You are buying into the traditions and politics instead of the meaning of the religion itself.
And screaming against the Bible nets little in a rising profile for thousands of others have
taken the road before you and there is no answer to the questions asked.

We would not argue much about religion because we both recognize I think that it has gone away from a good Jesus perspective to a more evil one.

As to questioning what is.

For evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing.
Do not ask good people to do nothing.

Regards
DL

I cannot think of 1 moral quandary a person may face in life that is not addressed by the teachings of Jesus.

I think his, let no man put asunder as a divorce law is quite anti-love and would argue my point if you should choose to engage.
I also offer the issues spoken of in this clip if you prefer one of his issues.

Jesus Christ: Madman or Something Worse? - YouTube

Care to back up your statement above?

Regards
DL

God doesn't hate baby's, so your question is moot.

A good way to not have to think. Burry your head in the sand.

I would argue that he does and would argue that his hardening of Pharaoh's heart to insure he would murder the first born of Egypt shows his hate of childrenn and babies if you care to come out of your hole and defend your God.

I also offer the bible scriptures.

Romans 9:11-13
King James Version (KJV)
11 (For the children beingnot yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of Godaccording to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12 It was said unto her, Theelder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacobhave I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Regards
DL

Why do atheists quote the Bible more more than any bible thumping televangelist i have ever seen on the tube???

Because they quote the money makers while other more moral people do not have money in mind but are concerned with truth and morality.

I am not an atheist by the way but if that belief gives you comfort then by all means, add another lie with your delusion of your God.

Jessie J - Price Tag ft. B.o.B. - YouTube

Regards
DL

 

[DaSleeper]

I wonder if someone can remind me of the name of that other troll we had before, who used to post the long rants on religion, along with pictures and videos ......

 

[French Patriot]

The big 10 cover a number of things you mention.

As to the decisions a person makes - judge not lest you and the rest you are familiar with. That is why I believe in Free Will.

Tsk tsk.

Your first is a judgement call. Judge not indeed.

Regards
DL

 

[Goober]

Tsk tsk.

Your first is a judgement call. Judge not indeed.

Regards
DL

No - A decision.

 

[The Old Medic]

Frenchie: Take your anti-religious biases home, and don't write any more about it here!

 

[French Patriot]

Frenchie: Take your anti-religious biases home, and don't write any more about it here!

"Whoever imagines himself a favorite with God,
holds other people in contempt.
Whenever a man believes that he has the exact truth from God,
there is in that man no spirit of compromise.
He has not the modesty born of the imperfections of human nature;
he has the arrogance of theological certainty and the tyranny born of ignorantassurance.
Believing himself to be the slave of God,
he imitates his master,
and of all tyrants,
the worst is a slave in power."
--Robert Ingersoll

Regards
DL

 

[Goober]

"Whoever imagines himself a favorite with God,
holds other people in contempt.
Whenever a man believes that he has the exact truth from God,
there is in that man no spirit of compromise.
He has not the modesty born of the imperfections of human nature;
he has the arrogance of theological certainty and the tyranny born of ignorantassurance.
Believing himself to be the slave of God,
he imitates his master,
and of all tyrants,
the worst is a slave in power."
--Robert Ingersoll

Regards
DL

Do you judge?

 

[karrie]

Isn't that describing you though FP? You have your set og gnostic beliefs, and you're sure that those beliefs outside of them are wrong. Immoral. You keep telling us they are. So, your little poem about certainty is about you, is it not?

 

[TenPenny]

You should listen to today's Tapestry on CBC Radio, they discuss this exact question. You can download it as a podcast, I think.

 

[French Patriot]

Do you judge?

Absolutely. All the time.

Like I judge that you have run from the discussion on morals.
Being absent minded, I think it was you.
Unfortunately, if it was, you are one of many who do not want to face truth.


Galileo -- "I do notfeel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense,reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."

Regards
DL

Isn't that describing you though FP? You have your set og gnostic beliefs, and you're sure that those beliefs outside of them are wrong. Immoral. You keep telling us they are. So, your little poem about certainty is about you, is it not?

The God I know is not a tyrant but yes, I am quite fundamental in my beliefs. Apotheosis will cause that and so will good clear thinking.

We are all fundamental in our belief systems.

If your belief system is so soft that it will be changed without effort then you are not much of a person.

I come on strong because I assume the other is strong. If they cannot take the heat then they should not get near my fire.

Do you show your strength or your weakness when coming to a debate forum?


Regards
DL

You should listen to today's Tapestry on CBC Radio, they discuss this exact question. You can download it as a podcast, I think.

That is why I have put this following together.
I have yet to post it but will when time permits.
Let me know what you think. If this post of yours is an example, I value your opinion.


Is religious tolerance ofSatan and Shaitan or God?

In reading the debate aboutreligious tolerance and acceptance of other faiths, I have noted that there aremany on both sides of this issue. By many, I include the right and left ofreligious as well as the right and left of the non-believers.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2012/10/04/identity-that-sends-us-toward-the-other-with-love/

As an esoteric ecumenist, likeI believe Jesus was, I tend to agree with Fred Clark in that we should all beable to respect to some extent our neighbor regardless of his religion as longas he is not living by its laws. Isay this because the laws in most holy books are draconian and outdated and nocivilized person would live by them. Secular laws have shown themselves to besuperior and the whole world FMPOV is going to them.

Rather eerie from theChristian perspective where Satan is to deceive the whole world.

Jesus as an esotericecumenist and one of the heroes of 1000 faces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgksXcesXrA

It seems that the right wingof religions is fighting the rapprochement suggested by those on the left and prefera clear division. I see this as an un-Jesus like attitude.

Mark 2;17 When Jesus heardit, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, butthey that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners torepentance.

From the above, if the rightwing of Christianity, literalists and fundamentals, are to follow Jesus and histeachings, it seems to me that they should be for rapprochement and not againstit as they seem to be. Islam right wing, who believes in the same God thatChristianity does and have respect for Jesus, also seems to be againstrapprochement.

This attitude of the rightwings seems to kill any chance for the various Abrahamic religions to everreconcile let alone being at peace with non-believers.

One can only conclude thenthat the right wings of most Abrahamic or Jesus following religions are ofSatan, while the left wing are more of God.

Do you agree?

And if so, how do the variousreligions and cults convert their Satan like right wing brothers to the ways ofa left leaning Jesus?

Regards
DL

 

[DaSleeper]

You should see a medical professional about this "Obsession" of yours.....:roll::tool:

 

[The Old Medic]

"Whoever imagines himself a favorite with God,
holds other people in contempt.
Whenever a man believes that he has the exact truth from God,
there is in that man no spirit of compromise.
He has not the modesty born of the imperfections of human nature;
he has the arrogance of theological certainty and the tyranny born of ignorantassurance.
Believing himself to be the slave of God,
he imitates his master,
and of all tyrants,
the worst is a slave in power."
--Robert Ingersoll

Regards
DL

I agree with the poet, only a fool would ever believe that they have "the exact truth from God." Our human minds are so small, we can not comprehend all that God is. We can only handle tiny bits of information, and the smallest portions of the truth.

However, rejecting God, and attempting to make everything religious a joke is not the answer either. It is your condescending attitude, and you utter failure to even begin to understand religious belief, that you should keep to yourself.

instead, you try to make up your own religion of non-belief, and force it down the throats of those that simply do not accept your "thoughts".

Please, go contemplate this on your own time. I do not attempt to shove MY religious beliefs on you, so please return the favor.

 

[gerryh]

Please, go contemplate this on your own time. I do not attempt to shove MY religious beliefs on you, so please return the favor.
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another ignorant.......... He didn't MAKE you come into this thread and read it. You did that all on your own. Therefore, he didn't "shove" his beliefs down your throat.

Grab a brain and turn it on before you post. :roll:

 

[Cliffy]

By definition, a Gnostic Christian is a religious person. Why do the "Christians" on here think he is trolling? He wants to discuss beliefs that he feels are false in the fundamental Christian teachings. Yet, instead of discussion, he gets ridicule. Makes me wonder what people are afraid of.

I would disagree on one point, that rigid belief in anything is a sign of strength. Rigid belief, to me, is a sign of lack of faith. "Belief is holding to a rock, faith is learning how to swim in the stream of life" - Allan Watts

 

[gerryh]

By definition, a Gnostic Christian is a religious person. Why do the "Christians" on here think he is trolling? He wants to discuss beliefs that he feels are false in the fundamental Christian teachings. Yet, instead of discussion, he gets ridicule. Makes me wonder what people are afraid of.

I would disagree on one point, that rigid belief in anything is a sign of strength. Rigid belief, to me, is a sign of lack of faith. "Belief is holding to a rock, faith is learning how to swim in the stream of life" - Allan Watts

I have basically asked him one question. To define what "he" thinks a gnostic Christian is. He has, so far, ignored that request.

 

[Cliffy]

I have basically asked him one question. To define what "he" thinks a gnostic Christian is. He has, so far, ignored that request.

That is like asking him to write a book and post it on here. The Gnostic Gospels are supposedly from the other 8 apostles and their followers and are much more geared toward the personal spiritual journey toward the truth than following any dogmatic religious path.

"Faith is learning how to recognize the truth where ever you might find it." - Allan Watts.

Although, it sounds like he may have chosen a dogmatic gnostic path.

 

[gerryh]

That is like asking him to write a book and post it on here. The Gnostic Gospels are supposedly from the other 8 apostles and their followers and are much more geared toward the personal spiritual journey toward the truth than following any dogmatic religious path.

"Faith is learning how to recognize the truth where ever you might find it." - Allan Watts.

I asked for his definition, not yours.

 

[DaSleeper]

By definition, a Gnostic Christian is a religious person. Why do the "Christians" on here think he is trolling? He wants to discuss beliefs that he feels are false in the fundamental Christian teachings. Yet, instead of discussion, he gets ridicule. Makes me wonder what people are afraid of.

I would disagree on one point, that rigid belief in anything is a sign of strength. Rigid belief, to me, is a sign of lack of faith. "Belief is holding to a rock, faith is learning how to swim in the stream of life" - Allan Watts

I may have used the wrong term calling what he does "Trolling"

When someone does the same thing on multiple and I do mean Multiple Boards +greatestiam - Bing It should be called "Spamming"
Name change notwithstanding....same avatar and M.O.

 

[Cliffy]

I may have used the wrong term calling what he does "Trolling"

When someone does the same thing on multiple and I do mean Multiple Boards +greatestiam - Bing It should be called "Spamming"
Name change notwithstanding....same avatar and M.O.

Probably a recent convert. They usually are the loudest at announcing their new found "TRUTH".

 

[Locutus]

I agree with the poet, only a fool would ever believe that they have "the exact truth from God." Our human minds are so small, we can not comprehend all that God is. We can only handle tiny bits of information, and the smallest portions of the truth.

However, rejecting God, and attempting to make everything religious a joke is not the answer either. It is your condescending attitude, and you utter failure to even begin to understand religious belief, that you should keep to yourself.

instead, you try to make up your own religion of non-belief, and force it down the throats of those that simply do not accept your "thoughts".

Please, go contemplate this on your own time. I do not attempt to shove MY religious beliefs on you, so please return the favor.
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To paraphrase what somebody once said:

It must be a VERY lonely life, trolling the Forum during all waking hours, attempting to find inconsequential and nonsensical stuff to be offended by.