What are we doing in Afghanistan

[Toro]

RE: What are we doing in

In Afghanistan??????

C'mon!

It always comes down to evil corporations.

And it always comes down to oil.

There are other things in the world. Y'all know that, right?

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: What are we doing in Afghanistan

As for "phuck off and don't bother me". Where was the criticism of beaver for his rude post there Five? Oh right, he's on your side . Anyway Beave, a word of advice, use phuck off and DIE, it sounds manlier. Or another good one is "I hope you get hit by a bus and I witness it...I like that one. So yeah, just some tips. Oh and i'm not leaving you alone, we're going to be forum buddys. You'll post, then i'll post, then you'll post, then i'll post, and around we'll go, again and again. How excited are you? Me? I'm real excited

:lol:

If you ever leave us Mogz, I will perosanlly hunt you down, pull up the CC web page, and put those nasty little fingers on the keyboard and hit at them till more funny shit gets typed out! Now you have been warned!!

 

[FiveParadox]

Actually, Mogz, I had reported his post for attempting to work around section iii(a) of the Terms of Service. My objection, however, was overruled.

 

[Haggis McBagpipe]

http://www.canadiancontent.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=180957#180957

 

[PoisonPete2]

What we are doing is protecting oil interests

While I would always support our soldiers, the mission is not a rescue operation nor is it something honourable like peace keeping.

http://www.impactpress.com/articles/junjul02/oil6702.html

An interesting article indeed. But I would take exception to the idea that bin Laden had any direct input on the planning of 9/11. There is some credible evidence that he knew of the planning in a broad sence, and that his organization largely funded the group that eventually carried out the attacks, but I have seen nothing yet that would tie him to those specific attacks as 'the mastermind'.

 

[Mogz]

RE: What are we doing in

nor is it something honourable like peace keeping.

Yeah, honourable peacekeeping. Like our mission to Rwanda, where we let 800,000 Tutsis be murdered right in front of us. Peacekeeping doesn't always work, it's too constricting. I suggest you go back and research the past U.N. missions, you'd be surprised at the minimal success rate.

 

[PoisonPete2]

Re: RE: What are we doing in Afghanistan

A few issues poison:

But Pakastan was not attacked.

Pakistan maintains their own well-trained Army. Incase you haven't been following the news, they've been dealing with things on their side of the border since 2001.

RESPONSE: Pakistan is a military dictatorship, propped up by Americans, so of course they have a well trained army. And no, they haven't been dealing with things on their side of the border. That's why 'the enemy' get away. The dictator's army is not loved by the independant Pashtuns (among others) who do not recognize the borders or pay homage to that vicious dictator.

Why hasn't Pakistan been attacked and its people freed of that dictatorship?

Now we are in Afghanistan propping up a government with no credibility.

A democratically elected government :roll:

RESPONSE: As in Vichy France, an occupied land is not free to express its political aspirations.

Now what would happen if these very sensitive troops found out they were killing Afghanis for lies."

Here's a little story for you pete: (see original text pp)

Poison, my point to all that was simple. We were there helping people of that nation. Giving them basic items for school and a sniper attacked us. We didn't provoke him, he just shot at us and ran.

RESPONSE: It is good to feel good about what you were doing.
Your story reminded me of one out of Nam. A medical unit had gone into a village and innoculated the children. A few days later an infantry unit entered the village and discovered a stack of arms. The VC had come in and chopped off the innoculated arms from all the children. Do you understand what it took to do that? Do you think the Americans understood the message?

Your presence in that county was provocation enough for the sniper.

Why are we not in huge numbers, bringing relief to Euretria and northern Somolia? Doing our utmost to preserve and defend the farmers in Uganda? Fighting AIDS in sub Saharan Africa? Giving voice to the plea of the people of north-east Sri Lanka for independence? Helping the vanquished of northern Indonesia following Tsunami and murderous government forces? Instead we are lending a hand to people crawling from bomb holes we created in a country devastated by wars the Americans propagated to, first weaken the USSR, and then secure a supply of fossil fuels the Americans covet. Yes, these wars are propogated on lies and often the soldiers are told the biggest lies, like the 'hearts and minds' crap.

 

[jimmoyer]

Why are we not in huge numbers, bringing relief to Euretria and northern Somolia? Doing our utmost to preserve and defend the farmers in Uganda? Fighting AIDS in sub Saharan Africa? Giving voice to the plea of the people of north-east Sri Lanka for independence? Helping the vanquished of northern Indonesia following Tsunami and murderous government forces?

----------------------PoisonPete2----------------------------

You forgot to add help for the holocaust of Chechnya,
the rape and robbery of Christian women in the
southern Sudan (their regime's first civil war in the 90s)
and now the ethnic cleansing of Dafur.

In fact this line of reasoning is similar to another
war against all diseases.

If you can't beat all the diseases NOW, then you
are hypocritical for selectively prioritizing your attack
on specific diseases.

In fact, it is good that each disease has its advocate group
making us all feel guilty for begruding money to attack
it and solve it and these needs must always compete with
other needs in this rough and tumble world, and it never
seem fair does it ?


There's greater epidemics than AIDS. Check out
the stats on what makes people die.

AIDS is huge, yet not the biggest killer. Of course
no war has ever killed as many people as the 1919
pandemic.

Unfortunately hypocrisy is a child's game.

We adults must pick our targets. We can't accomplish
everything NOW.

We have to prioritize.

And now we have to discuss what priorities ?

In fact any priority, any selective decision will have
its truly debatable pros and cons to infinity.

At some point, you got to decide with what you have
and what support it gets.

And so I wish all the advocates battle for what they
can get. It's the only way in this world of reality.

 

[Alberta'sfinest]

RE: What are we doing in

Finite just means that it has an end, that it's limited. Resources are always limited, so this is always the situation. The variable is people. No matter what available resources we have, we only have to adjust the population to the resources at hand. Basically our resource system is about to be reduced in a period less than most peoples lifetime, and the variable needs to be adjusted. Since mass extermination would just not fly in this day and age, staging a war backed by heavy propaganda was the choice. War is the original in population control. The reason it works so good is that as a result you either gain more resources, or lose enough populous to eleviate any food our other type of resource shortage. We're in Iraq and soon to be in Iran to acquire resources. The result will be a larger war with the countries that also want this oil, which will solve the population problem. Everything you see in the news is just to keep public opinion on side and to make it appear just. Right and wrong go right out the window when it comes to survival.

When I said 6-9 month bombing raid, you guys misunderstood what kind of raid I meant. First it will be small, most likely conducted by Israeli forces to destroy the centrifuge facilities. Then there'll be some bickering, a big show, maybe another terrorist attack, and then eventually a full-scale invasion. This period might last much longer, but not likely more than a year as European countries are going to be hit hard by the oil production cuts from the area, and citizens will be asking for action to be taken. Once Canada and the US sign a oil for security agreement, China will realize that they're going to have to look elsewhere. Since they are allied with Iran, that's likely where they'll take the fight. Russia is also allied with Iran, so they'll likely be in there making sure they get some too. This is what I meant by the same boat. It all stems from overpopulation.

 

[PoisonPete2]

Re: RE: What are we doing in Afghanistan

Why are we not in huge numbers, bringing relief to Euretria and northern Somolia? Doing our utmost to preserve and defend the farmers in Uganda? Fighting AIDS in sub Saharan Africa? Giving voice to the plea of the people of north-east Sri Lanka for independence? Helping the vanquished of northern Indonesia following Tsunami and murderous government forces?

----------------------PoisonPete2----------------------------

You forgot to add help for the holocaust of Chechnya,
the rape and robbery of Christian women in the
southern Sudan (their regime's first civil war in the 90s)
and now the ethnic cleansing of Dafur.

RESPONSE: yes! All human tragedies. But instead we focus on the continuing destruction of poor Afghanistan where the bombs have killed many more civilians than beligerants.

(quote)
If you can't beat all the diseases NOW, then you
are hypocritical for selectively prioritizing your attack
on specific diseases.

RESPONSE: please look up the word hypocrisy. Don't use words you do not understand. It is a problem with your posts.

(quote)
There's greater epidemics than AIDS. Check out
the stats on what makes people die.

RESPONSE: Yes, it is AIDS. To what are you referring? Car accidents? Heart attacks?

(quote)
AIDS is huge, yet not the biggest killer. Of course
no war has ever killed as many people as the 1919
pandemic.

RESPONSE: AIDS takes about 10 years to kill but it is not yet the biggest killer. It is relatively new so give it a chance. War is the biggest killer. The flu pandemic of 1919/20 killed under 22 million. WWll saw over twice that number die. 27 million Russians alone. Gee where do you get your facts :?: .

(quote)
And so I wish all the advocates battle for what they
can get. It's the only way in this world of reality.

RESPONSE: True words indeed :wink:
Resist when you must, but insist on achieving your aim and persist until you get it."
-Dalai Lama

 

[Johnny Utah]

Re: RE: What are we doing in

Absolutely Sassygirl!

We went in there to crush the Taliban and, hopefully, restore the country.

Of course, they'll be tossing homosexuals off buildings again if we leave too soon.

If Canada and the rest of Nato leaves to soon and the Taliban come back to power and will be executing women in stadiums with AK-47s again.

http://www.rawa.org/zarmina1.jpg
This is why Canada and the rest of Nato are in Afghanistan to prevent this from ever happening again.

 

[Sassylassie]

So very true Johnny. Where are artsy fartsy pacifist today. What woman being slautered and gay men being tossed off buildings isn't debatable? As Billy Rae Cyrus songs says "Some give and some give none".

 

[Johnny Utah]

So very true Johnny. Where are artsy fartsy pacifist today. What woman being slautered and gay men being tossed off buildings isn't debatable? As Billy Rae Cyrus songs says "Some give and some give none".

Sasssy well if all these people who are against Canada's Mission in Afghanistan can look at the link to the picture I posted of the woman being executed and still think Canada shouldn't be there then I really don't know what to say.

Canada's Mission has nothing to do with oil or a pipeline it has to do with stopping public executions in Afghanistan against women like that. It's about helping a Country who has been through 30 years of War who has said "Thankyou" to Canada for being there with the rest of the World/Nato .

Yes there are very terrible things going on in other parts of the World right now, but Canada can't be everywhere at once.

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: What are we doing in

Here I am Sassy, what can Ido for you today.Oh I know, I can help you with your speeling, your butchery of thee language is almost as bad as mine. I was in Zellars the other day and picked up an bok called dickshunarry by a guy named
Webster, it are heping my speeling a grate muche. Do women lik to bee slautered? Is that dun with the tung.?

 

[Jay]

Well atleast now I know your high DB, I used to just assume it.

 

[Mogz]

Well atleast now I know your high DB, I used to just assume it.

Did you know that in ancient rome, it was legal for a father to kill his idiot son Jay? Good thing you aren't Roman beaver...oop that was mean, where's Five paradox to quote the rules and regulations of this forum to me? Hide me Jay! I'll do anything you want....ANYTHING!

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: What are we doing in

I,m only six foots and 1/8 inches high Jay, how are you today? While I could possibly use my inebreation as an excuse,I won,t, what external influence has rendered you deficient?
Is that a proper sentence, I don,t think so, oh fork it, you.re sumwhat intelligent you ,ll be able to figgur it out.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: What are we doing in Afghanistan

Well atleast now I know your high DB, I used to just assume it.

Did you know that in ancient rome, it was legal for a father to kill his idiot son Jay? Good thing you aren't Roman beaver...oop that was mean, where's Five paradox to quote the rules and regulations of this forum to me? Hide me Jay! I'll do anything you want....ANYTHING!

Not too worry...you've done your part in all of this already!

Well there is that matter of the Canadian flag you use as your avatar...where can i get a flag like that?

 

[Mogz]

Find a hooker and buy a can of spray paint. The flag can be yours

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: What are we doing in

I,m only six foots and 1/8 inches high Jay, how are you today? While I could possibly use my inebreation as an excuse,I won,t, what external influence has rendered you deficient?
Is that a proper sentence, I don,t think so, oh fork it, you.re sumwhat intelligent you ,ll be able to figgur it out.

You know it isn't six "foots" its feet.

I'm fine though thanks.

If I was legally high all the time, I would use it as an excuse....it's a perfectly good one. But I'm illegally high only half the time, so I can't use it as an excuse.

It was really close to a proper sentence...if you had placed a period after the "won't", and capitalized the word "what", you would have had two proper sentences.