Well anyone with a brain knew the West would not go to War over the Ukraine.
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WHATEVER the final outcome of the violently simmering crisis in Ukraine, and however likely it is that that embattled state will remain caught in Russia’s crushing embrace, the greatest global political risk can’t be found in Kiev, eastern Ukraine or any of the other hotspots that get the media so excited. It lies in the perception of Western weakness among those countries that find themselves dissatisfied with the current global establishment. For them, the enfeebled state of the West, as laid bare in Ukraine, means the possibility of expansion.
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As seen from Moscow, Beijing, Pyongyang, Damascus and Tehran, this is the inspiring, hopeful narrative of Western decline. These countries know they must be careful not to miscalculate, not to press too hard as the lessons of this calamity for the West slowly dawn. But in the medium term, it looks like Iran’s nuclear programme is safe, that Assad can soon pop the corks in Damascus, that for North Korea, torturing Seoul at the edges looks like a no brainer, and as for China, well, the disputed Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands await. With time, and after Putin’s groundbreaking efforts, the way history is moving couldn’t be clearer. The West simply doesn’t exist anymore.
It’s time to read the writing on the wall: Why the West no longer exists | City A.M.
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As seen from Moscow, Beijing, Pyongyang, Damascus and Tehran, this is the inspiring, hopeful narrative of Western decline. These countries know they must be careful not to miscalculate, not to press too hard as the lessons of this calamity for the West slowly dawn. But in the medium term, it looks like Iran’s nuclear programme is safe, that Assad can soon pop the corks in Damascus, that for North Korea, torturing Seoul at the edges looks like a no brainer, and as for China, well, the disputed Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands await. With time, and after Putin’s groundbreaking efforts, the way history is moving couldn’t be clearer. The West simply doesn’t exist anymore.
It’s time to read the writing on the wall: Why the West no longer exists | City A.M.
Nice capitulation speech, who wrote it for you?
With war not an option the only other way to get into debt to the banks is through commerce and the EU and Mid-East can do that on their own without any 'help' from North America. How could we ever supply the NG that Russia does now in a way that is more stable than their current delivery system. The US presenting that 'option' at all shows how addled their thinking is and any Nation would be right to resist any 'help' from them.
That would mean we get to spend some time with ourselves which will be unpleasant at first, just how unpleasant is really up to us.
What democracy? Stand up for it in the west and see how fast you end up in prison or the poorhouse. This Canadian democracy is sending more material and manpower to war without debate. This democracy supports the cruelest despots and criminals imaginable.
It's corporate rule and has been for a long time.
It's corporate rule and has been for a long time.
What democracy? Stand up for it in the west and see how fast you end up in prison or the poorhouse. This Canadian democracy is sending more material and manpower to war without debate. This democracy supports the cruelest despots and criminals imaginable.
It's corporate rule and has been for a long time.
Canada is a Corporation.
Does the red in our flag represent that we are in perpetual debt?
Say I saw some swampland that you owned and I came up with an offer that was too good to resist and 10 months later I sold it for 20 times the price just by moving a bit of sand around and trees that enhanced the setting with people specifically in mind. Good business practice or unfair advantage in that I didn't mention what my whole plan was. (let alone what happens on the crown land that surround the place)
Only one knee bends and then you work within the system by exploiting the finer points of 'contracts'. That doesn't mean your are trying to gouge anybody and not doing your moves in secret is a bit unnerving for some businesses that are in power these days.
Say I saw some swampland that you owned and I came up with an offer that was too good to resist and 10 months later I sold it for 20 times the price just by moving a bit of sand around and trees that enhanced the setting with people specifically in mind. Good business practice or unfair advantage in that I didn't mention what my whole plan was. (let alone what happens on the crown land that surround the place)
A democratic corporation? I think money wins elections voting is a gesture, makes us feel good, then we go home and complain about the new gang of special interest politicians.
Because you won't spend your money to buy a share in money's Corporation and voice your vote in money's democracy like money invests in our Corporation and we invest in money and they pay us dividends to pay for our Corporations voters.
When you buy into Money Corp. your are able to vote for both.
So get out there young man and take the world buy the balls.
Thanks, you have renewed my belief in the system. I'm newly inspired to take full responsibility, as any upright citizen should and participate fully in the miracle of democracy.
"Democracy... while it lasts is more bloody than either aristocracy or monarchy. Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide." -- John Adams
"Democracy... while it lasts is more bloody than either aristocracy or monarchy. Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide." -- John Adams
Ukraine crisis: Fire kills 31 in latest eastern offensive clashes - World - CBC News
Sanctions if Russia interrupts Ukraine elections
Guess they are waking up.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...c2c368-d1fe-11e3-9e25-188ebe1fa93b_story.html
The idea that you’re going to turn off the tap on all Russian oil or natural gas exports, I think, is unrealistic,” Obama said during the Rose Garden appearance. “But there are a range of, you know, approaches that can be taken not only in the energy sector but in the arms sector, the finance sector, in terms of lines of credit for trade, all that have a significant impact on Russia.”
Standing next to Obama, Merkel acknowledged that “further sanctions will be unavoidable” if Ukraine is unable to hold the May 25 presidential elections, although she added that this is “something we do not want.”
But, she said, “We are firmly resolved to go down that road.”
Ukraine army launches assault on rebel stronghold - The Washington Post
DONESTSK, Ukraine — Ukraine suffered its bloodiest day in three months on Friday, with at least nine people killed when the army launched its first major assault on a rebel stronghold in the east of the country and 34 killed in clashes between pro-Ukranian and pro-Russian mobs in the Black Sea port city of Odessa.
The Ukrainian army attacked the rebel stronghold of Slovyansk at dawn, provoking the heaviest military fighting since a pro-Russian uprising began a month ago. The military took control of the major checkpoints outside the city but was unable to force its way into the center, and two of its helicopters were shot down.
But the biggest loss of lives came in Odessa. A pro-Ukrainian rally, attended by thousands of soccer fans before a game Friday night, was attacked by pro-Russian separatists. The two sides fought running battles through the city in the afternoon, throwing stones and rocks at each other and erecting barricades. At least three people were killed.
Later Friday evening, the pro-Ukrainian mob attacked a camp where the pro-Russian supporters were based in tents, forcing them to flee to a nearby government building, a witness said. They then threw gasoline bombs into the building. Police said 31 people were killed, choked to death on smoke or after jumping out of windows.
Sanctions if Russia interrupts Ukraine elections
Guess they are waking up.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...c2c368-d1fe-11e3-9e25-188ebe1fa93b_story.html
The idea that you’re going to turn off the tap on all Russian oil or natural gas exports, I think, is unrealistic,” Obama said during the Rose Garden appearance. “But there are a range of, you know, approaches that can be taken not only in the energy sector but in the arms sector, the finance sector, in terms of lines of credit for trade, all that have a significant impact on Russia.”
Standing next to Obama, Merkel acknowledged that “further sanctions will be unavoidable” if Ukraine is unable to hold the May 25 presidential elections, although she added that this is “something we do not want.”
But, she said, “We are firmly resolved to go down that road.”
Ukraine army launches assault on rebel stronghold - The Washington Post
DONESTSK, Ukraine — Ukraine suffered its bloodiest day in three months on Friday, with at least nine people killed when the army launched its first major assault on a rebel stronghold in the east of the country and 34 killed in clashes between pro-Ukranian and pro-Russian mobs in the Black Sea port city of Odessa.
The Ukrainian army attacked the rebel stronghold of Slovyansk at dawn, provoking the heaviest military fighting since a pro-Russian uprising began a month ago. The military took control of the major checkpoints outside the city but was unable to force its way into the center, and two of its helicopters were shot down.
But the biggest loss of lives came in Odessa. A pro-Ukrainian rally, attended by thousands of soccer fans before a game Friday night, was attacked by pro-Russian separatists. The two sides fought running battles through the city in the afternoon, throwing stones and rocks at each other and erecting barricades. At least three people were killed.
Later Friday evening, the pro-Ukrainian mob attacked a camp where the pro-Russian supporters were based in tents, forcing them to flee to a nearby government building, a witness said. They then threw gasoline bombs into the building. Police said 31 people were killed, choked to death on smoke or after jumping out of windows.
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