I believe in Canada's social safety net - I do not believe that low incomes should pay a disproportionate share of tax based upon dollar left over at the end. A consumption tax – VAT is one of the fairest around is it not.
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I believe in Canada's social safety net - I do not believe that low incomes should pay a disproportionate share of tax based upon dollar left over at the end. A consumption tax – VAT is one of the fairest around is it not.
What a nice flowery statement. As it stands, the low income earners DO pay a disproportionate share of the taxes, it just happens that they pay a proportionately LOWER share. Couple that reality with your earlier statement that a flat tax benefits only the rich and maybe you'll think about changing your tune a bit.
As a matter of fact I am in the higher income levels so i won't be changing that tune shall we say. Certain Tax benefits benefit the higher income levels more so than the family making 50 K vice 100 k- Do they not. Based upon family of 4
I see.. So a family earning 50-100K qualify as 'low income earners'?
And how about those families with 1 child or no children? Seeing how this is all about fairness and equality, why does the existing system penalize those with fewer children or those seniors whose families have grown up and no longer require their support?
This is what an old school Albertan is like,roughest neck around.
They dont take pussys on the rigs.
Roughest Neck Around - Corb Lund - YouTube
They dont take pussys on the rigs.
Roughest Neck Around - Corb Lund - YouTube
Family of 4 - 50 k and then 100 K - I did not state 100 K was a low wage earner - 100 k is a higher income - I asked for you to compare tax benefits as you are up to speed on this topic, more so than i. You misread my post. I asked for an opinion, that is all. You as i mentioned have more knowledge in this area than i do.
Note- When edmonton wanted to use land reserved for schools etc as land for new housing- a major uproar ensued - The income levels the city was looking at were 60-70 k - Nurses, etc. Does that not send a clear signal.
Fair enough... I take it that you understand the progressive nature of the tax brackets and the general marginal rates. That said my take on your statement the a tax break provides a "benefit" to high income earners is fallacious in that this is the very group that is already paying punitive rates.
As for AB's 10% flat tax, instead of expressing this as a percentage, let's represent it with real numbers.
Income 'A' = 50,000 @ 10% tax equals $5,000
Income 'B' = $250,000 @ 10% equals $25,000
Income 'C' = $1,000,000 @ 10% equals $100,000
So, where's the big benefit here for 'the rich'? As far as I can tell, they are paying 20 times more to access the same services as someone making $50K. Assuming that 'A', 'B' and 'C' are all families of 4 that use the 'system' equally, where is the fairness or equality in this?
You'll have to explain this. I can see the people that live in that community being upset about higher densities and/or a desire to send their kids to the proposed/planned school, but I do not see the rift here as it applies to our discussion.
You're confused. Alberta gets transfer payments every year from Ottawa. Canada Health Transfer, Canada Social Transfer, recently the Wait Times Reduction.
All money collected by Revenue Canada and doled out to the provinces.
You're thinking about Equalization payments.
And if you read any Canadian history, you would realize that the Equalization program exists thanks in part to Alberta! Strange, I know. You're probably thinking, hogwash!
But it's true. In the depression the Alberta and Saskatchewan governments flirted with bankruptcy. There was a report called the Royal Commission on Dominion-Provincial Relations, which looked at the economic hardships post-depression. And one of the recommendations was for an equalization program (launched in 1957), which Alberta benefited from in those early years.
I'll break it down for you, these are equalization payments made to Alberta, in millions of dollars:
1957- 12
1958-13
1959- 16
1960- 15
1961- 14
1962- 12
1963- 7
1964- 1
You can find all those values in Table 1 of this publication:
http://www.irpp.org/wp/archive/wp2004-10.pdf
It's a popular talking point, especially for Albertans to say they never have received transfer payments. But that is wrong, way wrong. You still do, and early on you were a recipient of equalization payments. In fact, your province recieved equalization payments more times than Ontario has.
So shut the phuck up already about mismanaged money.
The math has been explained to you many times, how equalization is accounted. If other provinces pull up the average, then a province can become a "have-not" province through simple laws of math.
Since the equalization is a per capita basis, that means it's an average. And the average of any population is highly influenced by extreme values. So if one province has extremely rich tax payers, and is derived from natural resource revenue, then that is going to impact the formula and how those payments are distributed in a major way.
But I guess if you haven't figured this out yet, it's probably never going to sink in.
Oh, so somehow that translates into why Albertans should be treated as second class citizens.
Did you ever think of getting a petition together to revoke a woman's right to vote? After all, that's the way it was way back in the day.
BTW - What was in AB prior to 1905 was oil... And a sh*t load of it.
Alberta is resource rich and has been for a long time,that's why were the best at getting out of the ground and helping others do the same thing.
Being resource rich attracted the best people.
Thats why our guys go to Saudia Arabia and Yemen and other countries to drill,we are the best in the world bar none.
Being resource rich attracted the best people.
Thats why our guys go to Saudia Arabia and Yemen and other countries to drill,we are the best in the world bar none.
Well you will find I can be very blunt and to the point.
I have my own company and can work pretty well anywhere in western Canada I want to or Nunavut.I can and have got lot's of folks jobs here from the east and will continue to do so.
I dont care about the rift between the east and the west,that's been going on since Canada was formed.
I do get a kick out of how some get miffed though when we diss the east.
Some should grow a set because if you come to Alberta with none you can expect lots of heartbreak.
You missed the point, which doesn't surprise me. The rest of Canada helped make Alberta what it is today, so suddenly pretending that you've never taken anything (which is demonstrably false) and that you don't have any responsibility to the federation is idiotic.
Albertans made Alberta what it is today,they may have come from the east but the weak left a long time ago.You guys lost our respect with the NEP.We will never trust the east again,ever.
Albertans created the oil, and magically they created Imperial Oil, did they? Wow.
What do I have to do with the NEP? I don't recall being involved in that policy.
Hahaha, here come the hanger-ons, AB is successful and now the others want to make like THEY made it happen... How stupid!!!
The rest of Canada did sh^t ton help AB, they caused us more harm than anything ie NEP like above poster correctly notes..
If anybody should be given credit for helping AB, it would be the Americans. These are the folks the easterners call morons and bastards !!
Note this website;
FreeAlberta.com: For An Independent Alberta
From 1961 to 1987, AB contributed $ 147 billion to federation.
Each AB 'tn contributed on average $105k + since 1961 to 1989(?) with nothing in return.
Note the clock on the left side of the above web page. It shows Ottawa takes $.11 billion from AB!!!
