Welfare People Who Want To Work Go To Alberta

JLM

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Even with PST of 5% I still pay less taxes in SK. which already maintains the most complex road (250,000km) system in Canada.

Even less than Alberta? But a highway in SK. just consists of where someone decided to drive across a field! :lol: I guess northern Sk. is a little different- you have to weave around lakes!
 

petros

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You'd be surprised what you'd find if you didn't take highways 1 or 16.

Yeah with income tax and property tax combined we beat AB apparently. Election is coming so I assume they'll try to buy my ass with my own money and drop them even more.
 

Kakato

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Even with PST of 5% I still pay less taxes in SK. which already maintains the most complex road (250,000km) system in Canada.
Nothing complex,most of its straight as an arrow.

I'm not surprised.
I knew it was the millwrights at the mine so came up with my own to add to the wall.

I look through my legs and oh what a sight,just gave birth to a millwright.
 

TenPenny

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Ummm, do you speak with any qualifications??? Any basis for your skewed observation?? Or are you just flapping your jaws for some exercise ???

Do you speak with any qualifications? No, no you don't.

You are one of those who magically believe that Alberta appeared in 1905, exactly as it is today, with no input from the rest of Canada or the world.

You might want to do a little research into the history of the Alberta oil industry, it might help you.
 

captain morgan

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You'd be surprised what you'd find if you didn't take highways 1 or 16.

Lemme guess, more flat expanse and lots of black flies and skeeters.

Yeah with income tax and property tax combined we beat AB apparently. Election is coming so I assume they'll try to buy my ass with my own money and drop them even more.

Apparently?

Here's the skinny:

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html
Saskatchewan 11% on the first $40,919 of taxable income, +
13% on the next $75,992, +
15% on the amount over $116,911

Alberta 10% of taxable income

So, it looks like the education system in Sask doesn't quite excel in the reading comprehension dept... As far as property taxes are concerned, your property has to actually be worth something before the dollars amount to more than you'd find in your couch.
 

Goober

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Lemme guess, more flat expanse and lots of black flies and skeeters.



Apparently?

Here's the skinny:

What are the income tax rates in Canada?
Saskatchewan 11% on the first $40,919 of taxable income, +
13% on the next $75,992, +
15% on the amount over $116,911

Alberta 10% of taxable income

So, it looks like the education system in Sask doesn't quite excel in the reading comprehension dept... As far as property taxes are concerned, your property has to actually be worth something before the dollars amount to more than you'd find in your couch.

Then add in AB and user fees - More fees on my Gas - Water Electricity bill. - High city taxes where i live - 2nd highest in AB - The other place is higher - much higher about double.
 

captain morgan

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Do you speak with any qualifications? No, no you don't.

You are one of those who magically believe that Alberta appeared in 1905, exactly as it is today, with no input from the rest of Canada or the world.

You might want to do a little research into the history of the Alberta oil industry, it might help you.

Good point on the input issue... Let's review.

Input like NEP?
Input like a equalization system that has since transferred hundreds of billions out of the province to sustain $7/day childcare in Que and a failed East coast fisheries?

Gotta love that input thingy you mentioned.... It's been a smashing success!

Then add in AB and user fees - More fees on my Gas - Water Electricity bill. - High city taxes where i live - 2nd highest in AB - The other place is higher - much higher about double.


Some examples that you can provide please?

Examples that are unique and exclusive to Alberta?
 

Goober

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Good point on the input issue... Let's review.



GP taxes+utility bills tops in Alberta - Grande Prairie Daily Herald Tribune - Alberta, CA

Grande Prairie has some of the highest municipal taxes in Alberta and by far the highest utility charges, making the city one of the most expensive in Canada, according to the latest annual report by the City of Edmonton.

Edmonton's survey compares property taxes and utility rates in 21 cities and towns across Alberta and Canada. It says an average household in Grande Prairie paid $1,993 in property taxes, 11th of the 21 surveyed, but higher than all other Alberta cities polled – Lethbridge, Edmonton, Red Deer, Medicine Hat and Calgary.

Alberta's largest city, Calgary, was the cheapest at $989; Edmonton was seventh with $1,434.

But when all utility costs, including power, natural gas and water, were factored in, Grande Prairie jumped to the most expensive city on the overall list.
 

JLM

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Sure.... Up until 1947, Alberta depended on cattle to survive.

You must be thinking of the first oil strike at Leduc! :lol:

Good point on the input issue... Let's review.



GP taxes+utility bills tops in Alberta - Grande Prairie Daily Herald Tribune - Alberta, CA

Grande Prairie has some of the highest municipal taxes in Alberta and by far the highest utility charges, making the city one of the most expensive in Canada, according to the latest annual report by the City of Edmonton.

Edmonton's survey compares property taxes and utility rates in 21 cities and towns across Alberta and Canada. It says an average household in Grande Prairie paid $1,993 in property taxes, 11th of the 21 surveyed, but higher than all other Alberta cities polled – Lethbridge, Edmonton, Red Deer, Medicine Hat and Calgary.

Alberta's largest city, Calgary, was the cheapest at $989; Edmonton was seventh with $1,434.

But when all utility costs, including power, natural gas and water, were factored in, Grande Prairie jumped to the most expensive city on the overall list.

Probably on a per capita basis, it's tough for a city of 50 thousand to compare with a city of one million. I would also guess there is a additional costs for every degree/day of cold.
 

captain morgan

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Good point on the input issue... Let's review.



GP taxes+utility bills tops in Alberta - Grande Prairie Daily Herald Tribune - Alberta, CA

Grande Prairie has some of the highest municipal taxes in Alberta and by far the highest utility charges, making the city one of the most expensive in Canada, according to the latest annual report by the City of Edmonton.

Edmonton's survey compares property taxes and utility rates in 21 cities and towns across Alberta and Canada. It says an average household in Grande Prairie paid $1,993 in property taxes, 11th of the 21 surveyed, but higher than all other Alberta cities polled – Lethbridge, Edmonton, Red Deer, Medicine Hat and Calgary.

Alberta's largest city, Calgary, was the cheapest at $989; Edmonton was seventh with $1,434.

But when all utility costs, including power, natural gas and water, were factored in, Grande Prairie jumped to the most expensive city on the overall list.

Yeah, whatever... The bottom-line is that any such analysis is fully dependent on comparing relative populations to the services provided, relative to getting the cost of those services delivered.

Also, comparing a variety of AB cities against one another odes nothing to provide a comparison of AB to the ROC.
 

Goober

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Yeah, whatever... The bottom-line is that any such analysis is fully dependent on comparing relative populations to the services provided, relative to getting the cost of those services delivered.

Also, comparing a variety of AB cities against one another odes nothing to provide a comparison of AB to the ROC.

Agreed - As different services are provided. But AB is anot a thrifty place to live. And the 10% tax benefits the higher income levels does it not when compared to other provinces tax rates.
 

darkbeaver

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Sending transfer payments to provinces that are addicted to spending and live with a culture of entitlement, is not problem solving either. Only an easterner would consider it patriotic to receive this welfare transfer payment!!

Ah the old, worn out, stupid, banker invented "culture of entitlement" argument once again slithered out to explain economic recession. It won't work this time either. Nobody exhibits the grand sense of cultural entitlement like the rich and powerful banking fraternity. We could round up all the weak and sick and the old and infirm add them to the poor and concentrate them in one holding area without any support at all and the difference in the national debt would be negligible. I'm an easterner and when we get tired of your western yankee arrogance we'll come and empty your pissy little cities of all you upper cruster wannabees. You probably picked on the little kids in school.
 

darkbeaver

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You Easterners are a touchy bunch!

We been shat on by the west long enough. In fact we are considering divorcing the confederation bitch. That would leave you westerners to deal with Ontario yourselves, haha good luck with that.
 

captain morgan

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Agreed - As different services are provided. But AB is anot a thrifty place to live. And the 10% tax benefits the higher income levels does it not when compared to other provinces tax rates.


AB being expensive is the cost of living in a thriving economy. If you are not satisfied with that notion, there are all kinds of alternate locations you can consider, but you'll also have to deal with the downsides there.

As for the flat tax benefiting the rich: Spare me that tired-old argument... An individual that makes 10 times your income actually pays 10 times more in taxes, did you ever consider that reality?

How about this Goober: In the true spirit of equality, what say that we take the total costs of running society and divide that by the total # of people working... That number would be EQUAL.

If that's not your cup-o-tea, we can always do away with a big chunk of the taxes and engage a system of pay-per-use... That too would be EQUAL, but some how I'm guessing that you'd not support this idea as it would cost you more.