WE really need to get rid of this guy

Ron in Regina

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They were scared of him before, but after THAT result and THAT speech... they know they're in the deepest of deep crap and PP is going to be out there pretty quick creating his own image in the minds of those who haven't heard of him and they can't let that happen.
Hmmm….Jagmeet is coming out as the opposition to the other opposition to the government. Weirdly….weird.

The Liberals and the New Democratic Party (NDP) wasted no time in attacking new Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre on the first day of the fall session in Parliament.

In a rare move, the NDP put out an attack ad on social media on Tuesday responding to Poilievre’s claims that he is fighting for the people and instead attempting to portray the new leader of the official opposition as being cozy with the elites and “big business” like SNC Lavatory or Irving Shipbuilding….that Bastard!!

“He’s not in it for you,” reads the script in the 29-second long video two times (…& he’s talking about Pierre Poilievre by the way).


Melanie Richer, director of communications for the NDP, told the National Post that the goal for the party was to get their message across just before Poilievre took the floor of the House of Commons as leader of the Conservatives to talk about inflation and the cost of living.

“I think that Pierre Poilievre has been trying to reframe himself as somebody who’s in it for people. And we’ve seen clearly that that’s not true,” said Richer?

“He’s never going to go after corporate greed and he’s never going to make your salaries better. So he says a lot of things, makes a lot of noise, but he’s not actually doing anything concretely to make things better for people,” she added.

NDP deputy leader Alexandre Boulerice said that Poilievre talks a lot about the price of food going up, rightly so, but that he would never dare to speak up against big corporations in the food industry which are making “record profits” right now on the backs of consumers.
“Pierre Poilievre will never have the courage to stand up against those grocery store giants,” said Boulerice.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is in New York for the United Nations General Assembly, so his first confrontation in question period against Poilievre will not happen before Thursday.

But that didn’t stop his ministers, who were up against Poilievre for the first time since he became leader. They spent the better part of their first question period touting “real solutions?” to the cost of living crisis but the were in turn ridiculed by Poilievre.

Minister of Families (?), Karina Gould, spoke about the agreements on child care made with all provinces and territories which would save families “thousands of dollars that are going to help them with the high cost of living?”

“Those are real solutions,” she said?

Poilievre shot back right away. “Canadians can’t even afford to have a family in the first place,” he said. “They can’t get out of their parents’ basements or the 400 square foot apartments after housing prices have literally doubled in this country under this prime minister.”

Housing Minister Ahmed Hussen also chimed in that the Liberals had proposed “real solutions” — like the housing accelerator or the first-time homebuyer tax credit. But Poilievre countered that Canada had the “second worst housing bubble of any country on planet Earth.”

Who’s the current Government (?) which Parties are the Opposition currently? This is…..interesting.
 

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That NDP spokesperson suggesting PP is in bed with with the big coorations in the food business completely neglecting the Liberal government they are propping up bought new freezers for Loblaws .
 

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And if the Forum removed the capitalization of WE, here it is again.


WE really need to get rid of this guy. I am of course referring to MVP of strike three in the ethics batter box, none other than Justin Trudeau. But hey, he's real sorry, because, "He (sniff) should have recused himself. And what of his number two man, ahem, er, person?


No, not Chystia Freeland, she doesn't actually do anything except cut bad deals with washed up reality show clowns plagued by mental health issues. Oh, and take hard questions the Prime Minister is incapable of answering without having panic attack. So, she serves a purpose.



But I speak of Bill Morneau, the finance minister, in terms of importance. The finance minister is far more important in the scheme of things, than the deputy prime minister. Something else the finance must have an understanding of is "finances and accounting," after all he does draft the country's federal budget covering everything from healthcare to infrastructure to pandemic spending. So, my opinion, the two most important people in a sitting government are the leader and his finance minister. Those two guys call the shots. Now, with Justin it is pretty clear that he is the spoiled rich kid who didn't have to abide by the rules, so I get the psyche of entitlement. But Bill Morneau runs the country's finances and if you believe him when he says he didn't notice $41,000.00 in travel expenses, you are either obtuse or you just don't give a flying banana loaf about your country anymore. Funny how he suddenly remembered to pay it on the day of his testimony?

The Prime Minister and his finance minister knew exactly what they were doing. They won't admit it, because to do so is to pull back the red curtain and expose the contempt they have for the people of Canada. Your political preferences shouldn't play into this, whether you think the Liberals are golden gods should be irrelevant because there is something much larger at play. The future of Canadian politics and the culture of corruption we are seeing with this government will set a standard for future governments left or right. They will know that voters of this country no longer hold elected officials accountable for their actions. This WE scandal is a bigger deal than Ad scam, because it runs directly into the office of the prime minister, touching him, his mother, his brother. This may end up being the straw that broke the camels back.


I hope so.
Great post. Agree completely. JT must go—ditto for the entire Federal Liberal Party.
 
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As affordability woes dominate the national political conversation, the Liberal environment minister says climate change is linked to cost-of-living concerns and will remain high on the federal government’s agenda.

Although climate issues are “probably not as much at the forefront as they've been … it's still an area of concern for many, many Canadians,” federal Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault told Canada’s National Observer in an interview.

“Frankly, in terms of climate change, the arrival of Pierre Poilievre doesn't change anything for me,” he said. “If anything, it's going to make the contrast between what we're proposing, which is to really tackle (he spelled TAX incorrectly) in a way no other government has done before the issue of climate change, for many different reasons.”

The Conservative Party of Canada’s newly elected leader, Ottawa-area MP Pierre Poilievre, ran on issues like housing, affordability and the economy.

With such pressing cost-of-living concerns, the federal government has two choices, said Mark Winfield, a political scientist and professor of environmental and urban change at York University. Climate could be sidelined, or the government could integrate climate into its proposed solutions, he said.

“We can work on affordability while we're working on climate change, and that's a message that's coming up loud and clear here from many of my colleagues,” said Guilbeault. He added that at the caucus retreat, “I haven't been in one session (of just Liberal Staffers & MP’s) since I've been here where people haven't talked about climate change, where people have been [talking] about the links between climate change and affordability.” Not surprised.

In my community, not one person ever talks about "climate change" - it's affordability that's at the top of most people's minds. Climate has always changed & will continue no matter what we do or how much money we spend. We have no control over climate; we just need to adapt as we have up to now. Stop building on beaches, near rivers, on mountains where slides can happen. All common sense ideas but guess who lives in those very areas? The "rich" so they can't all be concerned about climate now can they?
 
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In 2015, Justin Trudeau was adamant: “Canadians need to have faith in their government’s honesty.” He called for more openness and transparency and an urgent need to shine a light on the government.

Further, “the utmost care and prudence in the handling of public funds” would be a foundational principle of his government, he said.

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But looking at the debacle over the astronomically expensive ArriveCAN app ($54 million) and how the Liberals are playing fast and loose with inquiries into the use of the Emergencies Act, it appears it is a lack of transparency that is a hallmark of this government.

From the first, Trudeau pledged that transparency would define his government. And from the first he reneged on that promise.
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The pledge in 2015 to change the Access to Information law? No change so far, but the Treasury Board is conducting a lengthy review of the act, and we all know how long, how very long, government bureaucratic reviews can take.

How about the infamous SNC-Lavalin controversy?
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Helpfully, the NDP, the fellas now in bed with the Liberals, released a document in 2019 entitled, “5 Times Justin Trudeau tried to cover his tracks on the SNC-Lavalin scandal.”

The NDP almost certainty undercounted, but nonetheless they accused Trudeau of: blocking testimony at the Justice Committee; refusing to hold a public inquiry; blocking the Ethics Commissioner’s investigation; blocking the Ethics Commissioner’s public testimony, and refusing to waive confidentiality for the RCMP.

“Canadians deserve answers,” thundered NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh.
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That would be the same Jagmeet Singh whose party has just aligned itself with the Liberals and the Bloc Québécois to thwart a Conservative effort to get federal ministers to testify about the appalling ArriveCAN app.

Surely, Canadians expect an explanation as to why we spent $54 million on an app that A) didn’t work and B) was positively detrimental to our national interests.

But obviously the NDP doesn’t care about answers anymore.

In 2020, there was the scandal concerning WE Charity, the company chosen to administer the $900-million Canada Student Service Grant program despite close ties to the Trudeau family.
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The Liberals managed to avoid the spotlight on those investigations when Trudeau prorogued Parliament, thus ending inquiries by several parliamentary committees.

This despite a 2015 promise by Trudeau not to use prorogation as a means to avoid scrutiny.

Can anyone see a pattern emerging?
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A year later, in a highly unusual move, the Liberals sued the House of Commons and the Speaker in order to prevent MPs from seeing documents related to the firing of two scientists at Canada’s top laboratory and their connections to China.
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In an analysis posted on his blog, former long-time House of Commons senior parliamentary counsel Steven Chaplin assailed the government for its “ill-advised, political and some would suggest cynical move.”

“Pursuing the matter through the courts is not only wrong and unnecessary, it is likely to distort the public’s already shaky understanding of Parliament, and further erode trust in Parliament, the courts, and the government,” he wrote.

And what are the Liberals doing behind the scenes?
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This year, the CBC revealed that the Liberals had adopted 72 secret orders-in-council during six years in power (more than twice than the Conservatives in nine years in power.)

“We want to see more transparency,” Singh said in relation to the revelation. One has to admire the NDP leader’s chutzpah in continually saying these things and then siding with the Liberals to ensure transparency is the last thing Canadians get.
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And does anyone have any confidence that we will get to the bottom of why the Liberals invoked the Emergencies Act?

In June, Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland repeatedly told a special committee investigating the use of the act that she wanted to be “very clear,” before giving answers best described as evasive.
Justice Minister David Lametti was no better as he refused to answer most questions citing Cabinet confidentiality.

The issue of Cabinet confidentiality is alarming civil liberty groups that believe it will be the pretence for the Liberals refusing to hand over documents to the Emergencies Act commission headed by Justice Paul Rouleau.

The Liberals even tried to direct the course of the judicial inquiry by ordering it to look into the causes that led to the use of the act rather than whether the government was justified in using it.
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In 2015, Trudeau promised to “set a higher bar for openness and transparency in Ottawa.” Since then he has demonstrated time and again that he has indeed set a new bar for his government. The only question is: How low can he go?
 

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In 2015, Justin Trudeau was adamant: “Canadians need to have faith in their government’s honesty.” He called for more openness and transparency and an urgent need to shine a light on the government.

Further, “the utmost care and prudence in the handling of public funds” would be a foundational principle of his government, he said.

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But looking at the debacle over the astronomically expensive ArriveCAN app ($54 million) and how the Liberals are playing fast and loose with inquiries into the use of the Emergencies Act, it appears it is a lack of transparency that is a hallmark of this government.

From the first, Trudeau pledged that transparency would define his government. And from the first he reneged on that promise.
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The pledge in 2015 to change the Access to Information law? No change so far, but the Treasury Board is conducting a lengthy review of the act, and we all know how long, how very long, government bureaucratic reviews can take.

How about the infamous SNC-Lavalin controversy?
View attachment 16120

Helpfully, the NDP, the fellas now in bed with the Liberals, released a document in 2019 entitled, “5 Times Justin Trudeau tried to cover his tracks on the SNC-Lavalin scandal.”

The NDP almost certainty undercounted, but nonetheless they accused Trudeau of: blocking testimony at the Justice Committee; refusing to hold a public inquiry; blocking the Ethics Commissioner’s investigation; blocking the Ethics Commissioner’s public testimony, and refusing to waive confidentiality for the RCMP.

“Canadians deserve answers,” thundered NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh.
View attachment 16121

That would be the same Jagmeet Singh whose party has just aligned itself with the Liberals and the Bloc Québécois to thwart a Conservative effort to get federal ministers to testify about the appalling ArriveCAN app.

Surely, Canadians expect an explanation as to why we spent $54 million on an app that A) didn’t work and B) was positively detrimental to our national interests.

But obviously the NDP doesn’t care about answers anymore.

In 2020, there was the scandal concerning WE Charity, the company chosen to administer the $900-million Canada Student Service Grant program despite close ties to the Trudeau family.
View attachment 16122

The Liberals managed to avoid the spotlight on those investigations when Trudeau prorogued Parliament, thus ending inquiries by several parliamentary committees.

This despite a 2015 promise by Trudeau not to use prorogation as a means to avoid scrutiny.

Can anyone see a pattern emerging?
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A year later, in a highly unusual move, the Liberals sued the House of Commons and the Speaker in order to prevent MPs from seeing documents related to the firing of two scientists at Canada’s top laboratory and their connections to China.
View attachment 16127

In an analysis posted on his blog, former long-time House of Commons senior parliamentary counsel Steven Chaplin assailed the government for its “ill-advised, political and some would suggest cynical move.”

“Pursuing the matter through the courts is not only wrong and unnecessary, it is likely to distort the public’s already shaky understanding of Parliament, and further erode trust in Parliament, the courts, and the government,” he wrote.

And what are the Liberals doing behind the scenes?
View attachment 16125

This year, the CBC revealed that the Liberals had adopted 72 secret orders-in-council during six years in power (more than twice than the Conservatives in nine years in power.)

“We want to see more transparency,” Singh said in relation to the revelation. One has to admire the NDP leader’s chutzpah in continually saying these things and then siding with the Liberals to ensure transparency is the last thing Canadians get.
View attachment 16124

And does anyone have any confidence that we will get to the bottom of why the Liberals invoked the Emergencies Act?

In June, Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland repeatedly told a special committee investigating the use of the act that she wanted to be “very clear,” before giving answers best described as evasive.
Justice Minister David Lametti was no better as he refused to answer most questions citing Cabinet confidentiality.

The issue of Cabinet confidentiality is alarming civil liberty groups that believe it will be the pretence for the Liberals refusing to hand over documents to the Emergencies Act commission headed by Justice Paul Rouleau.

The Liberals even tried to direct the course of the judicial inquiry by ordering it to look into the causes that led to the use of the act rather than whether the government was justified in using it.
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In 2015, Trudeau promised to “set a higher bar for openness and transparency in Ottawa.” Since then he has demonstrated time and again that he has indeed set a new bar for his government. The only question is: How low can he go?
Underground .
 

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This scandal — because that is what it is — threatens Canada and Canadian interests. It threatens our actual democracy. It is worse than all of the other scandals — the Aga Khan, SNC-Lavalin, the We “charity.”

Is one of them now a cabinet minister? A shadow minister? A senior PMO aide? A prime minister, even?
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Well, this week we learned from Global News that the Chinese regime has paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to Canadian politicians and campaign operatives. At least 11 candidates received money from the Chinese during the 2019 federal election.

Global has reported that these clandestine operations were run out of the Chinese Embassy in Ottawa, and the Chinese Consulate in Toronto. They used various front organizations as well.

This is completely against Canadian law. The Canada Elections Act, for starters, states: “No person who does not reside in Canada shall, during an election period, in any way induce electors to vote or refrain from voting for a particular candidate.”

“In any way.” That’s pretty clear. Our election laws are full of prohibitions against what the Chinese did. The Criminal Code of Canada, as well. You can go to a federal prison for many, many years for violating these Canadian laws.

But here’s the problem: unlike in the AmerPaul Mandort case, we don’t know who is behind what what CSIS calls serious threats to Canadians and to our national security. We don’t know, still, who got the money from China, an outlaw foreign nation that is a clear and present danger to our democracy.

We know there were 11 of them. We know that they were Liberal and Conservative candidates. We know some were campaign staff.

But we don’t know their names.

Justin Trudeau, who is ostensibly the Prime Minister of this country, knows. But neither he nor his office will say anything about it.

The Conservative Leader, Pierre Poilievre, knows about it. He’s condemned it and demanded a Parliamentary investigation. It’s unclear if he knows the names of the Conservative candidate(s) who received Chinese money to influence them. But, to his credit, he’s demanding an investigation anyway.

In Canada, the names are being hidden from us. They are being protected.

Those Liberal and Conservative candidates are entitled to a presumption of innocence. But they are not entitled to the secrecy they now enjoy.
 
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This scandal — because that is what it is — threatens Canada and Canadian interests. It threatens our actual democracy. It is worse than all of the other scandals — the Aga Khan, SNC-Lavalin, the We “charity.”

Is one of them now a cabinet minister? A shadow minister? A senior PMO aide? A prime minister, even?
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Well, this week we learned from Global News that the Chinese regime has paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to Canadian politicians and campaign operatives. At least 11 candidates received money from the Chinese during the 2019 federal election.

Global has reported that these clandestine operations were run out of the Chinese Embassy in Ottawa, and the Chinese Consulate in Toronto. They used various front organizations as well.

This is completely against Canadian law. The Canada Elections Act, for starters, states: “No person who does not reside in Canada shall, during an election period, in any way induce electors to vote or refrain from voting for a particular candidate.”

“In any way.” That’s pretty clear. Our election laws are full of prohibitions against what the Chinese did. The Criminal Code of Canada, as well. You can go to a federal prison for many, many years for violating these Canadian laws.

But here’s the problem: unlike in the AmerPaul Mandort case, we don’t know who is behind what what CSIS calls serious threats to Canadians and to our national security. We don’t know, still, who got the money from China, an outlaw foreign nation that is a clear and present danger to our democracy.

We know there were 11 of them. We know that they were Liberal and Conservative candidates. We know some were campaign staff.

But we don’t know their names.

Justin Trudeau, who is ostensibly the Prime Minister of this country, knows. But neither he nor his office will say anything about it.

The Conservative Leader, Pierre Poilievre, knows about it. He’s condemned it and demanded a Parliamentary investigation. It’s unclear if he knows the names of the Conservative candidate(s) who received Chinese money to influence them. But, to his credit, he’s demanding an investigation anyway.

In Canada, the names are being hidden from us. They are being protected.

Those Liberal and Conservative candidates are entitled to a presumption of innocence. But they are not entitled to the secrecy they now enjoy.

Can a PM be held for treason? Just askin...
 

Ron in Regina

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Can a PM be held for treason? Just askin...
Doubt it. Don’t really know but I doubt it.

The Prime Minister of Canada is not a constitutional position. Parliamentarians are, and the Prime Minister of Canada is Parliamentarian. But they have no special privileges or protection beyond being a Parliamentarian.

Only one Parliamentarian has ever been expelled and charged with a crime related to treason or espionage. Fred Rose (politician) was an actual Communist, but also got caught up in the transition from WWII to the Cold War. He was caught up in the defection of Igor Gouzenko - Wikipedia and the discovery of the large Soviet spy rings operating in Canada and the United States.