Trudeau Goes to China

[White_Unifier]

it would if Canadians and Chinese had the same driving habits.

do you think the Chinese all head out to Timmy's twice a day in their Navigators?

Actually, Chinese urban planners know far more how to plan a city than their Canadian counterparts. Sure pollution levels are higher, but China is still a developing country with a high population density. That said, its cities are high-density mixed development. So you can usually do your groceries and buy daily essentials at a shop within walking distance of wherever you may live. Most Canadian cities are not only extremely low density but also very segregated, with residential all in the periphery and all the businesses in the centre, planned like a doughnut.

Ah, speaking of Timmies, maybe Canadian cities hired Timmies to plan our urban development like a doughnut?

I think you will get a hug from him now.

I wish I could take your hand from across the computer screen to show my affection for you friend.

 

[Johnnny]

Actually, Chinese urban planners know far more how to plan a city than their Canadian counterparts. Sure pollution levels are higher, but China is still a developing country with a high population density. That said, its cities are high-density mixed development. So you can usually do your groceries and buy daily essentials at a shop within walking distance of wherever you may live. Most Canadian cities are not only extremely low density but also very segregated, with residential all in the periphery and all the businesses in the centre, planned like a doughnut.

Ah, speaking of Timmies, maybe Canadian cities hired Timmies to plan our urban development like a doughnut?

We need to rethink where we put the majority of Tim Hortons. Putting them at intersections is soooo dumb...

 

[White_Unifier]

Chinese cities generally outpace Canada when it comes to pedestrian and cycling infrastructure too. Our cities are built for cars. And when we wonder why the poor in Canada suffer so much. If you can't afford a car in Canada, you're screwed. Not so in China.

We need to rethink where we put the majority of Tim Hortons. Putting them at intersections is soooo dumb...

What does Timmies sell that even worth buying other than maybe its herbal teas?

 

[Angstrom]

And Trudeau got shunned when he was leaving, Chinese Gov. denied Canadian media any access that was approved before arriving, and cancelled the joint media briefing before boarding the plane, I take it they didn't like the message being sold to them Lol

CBC National news this morning is my source.

Looks like the love story between Trudeau and China is over. No choice now but to be Trump’s little bitch. :laughing3:

 

[White_Unifier]

Perhaps Canada should really kick China in the teeth by signing a free trade deal with Hong Kong... on the condition that Hong Kong maintain its Basic Law (essentially an entrenchment of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights into Hong Kong's constitution).

Perhaps Canada could sign a similar trade deal with Taiwan too, and Singapore, and every other regional power that respects human rights.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Perhaps Canada should really kick China in the teeth by signing a free trade deal with Hong Kong... on the condition that Hong Kong maintain its Basic Law (essentially an entrenchment of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights into Hong Kong's constitution).

Perhaps Canada could sign a similar trade deal with Taiwan too, and Singapore, and every other regional power that respects human rights.

Possibly make it about economic trade and let UN do it's job on human rights

 

[White_Unifier]

Possibly make it about economic trade and let UN do it's job on human rights

We could do that too. But keep China's state-owned enterprises out of Canada. I have no qualms with the Chinese, but their government is another matter. Make sure any trade deal allows trade between Canadians and Chinese, but keep their government out of it. China can keep its state-owned enterprises at home.

And I'm not some fanatical sovereignist. I understand that to have free trade, we may need to sacrifice a degree of sovereignty in exchange for our common interest. But sacrificing a reasonable degree of sovereignty is not the same as so utterly abandoning our sovereignty to the point of putting ourselves at unreasonable risk of state-backed corporate espionage and such. Again, I'm for free trade with China in principle, but only between private individuals and businesses.

 

[Twin_Moose]

We could do that too. But keep China's state-owned enterprises out of Canada. I have no qualms with the Chinese, but their government is another matter. Make sure any trade deal allows trade between Canadians and Chinese, but keep their government out of it. China can keep its state-owned enterprises at home.

And I'm not some fanatical sovereignist. I understand that to have free trade, we may need to sacrifice a degree of sovereignty in exchange for our common interest. but sacrificing a degree of sovereignty is not the same as so utterly abandoning our sovereignty to the point of putting ourselves at unreasonable risk of state-backed corporate espionage and such. Again, I'm for free trade with China in principle, but only between private individuals and businesses.

I can agree with :canada: that

 

[Hoid]

Possibly make it about economic trade and let UN do it's job on human rights

this is always the answer. we can each ignore whatever the UN says anyway.

 

[mentalfloss]

Free trade talks with China will not yet begin - Politics - CBC News

 

[Twin_Moose]

this is always the answer. we can each ignore whatever the UN says anyway.

Who is Canada to say to what human right standards are to be followed by another country, now a world standard set up by the UN is different they have more voices and teeth to get it done.

 

[Hoid]

Canada has to say what is unacceptable in another country. We aren't a country if we don't. We simply go back to colonial times when we are spoken for by a higher foreign power.

 

[EagleSmack]

On Trudeau's 2nd trip to China, time may be ripe to advance free trade
China keen to show it can build relationships with West, as U.S. backs out of global engagement

On Trudeau's 2nd trip to China, time may be ripe to advance free trade - Politics - CBC News

We do have to diversify and become less dependent on the US for trade etc.

Canada-China trade talks fail to materialize as Justin Trudeau continues state visit

http://globalnews.ca/news/3894897/justin-trudeau-canada-china-trade-talks/

The Chinese are escorting Justin to the Gift Shop for some souvenirs.

 

[petros]

 

[White_Unifier]

Who is Canada to say to what human right standards are to be followed by another country, now a world standard set up by the UN is different they have more voices and teeth to get it done.

Strictly speaking, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (separate school system) and the Indian Act, and parts of Quebec's Bill 101 violate the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. So we do need to be careful to not come across as not practicing what we preach.

That said, Canada comes pretty close compared to many countries to meeting that standard, and only a few dozen or so countries truly meet that standard. So Canada is still hovering among the top among the hundreds of countries in the world. Definitely in the top half of human rights defending countries.

 

[JLM]

Chinese Food anyone?

 

[Twin_Moose]

Canada has to say what is unacceptable in another country. We aren't a country if we don't. We simply go back to colonial times when we are spoken for by a higher foreign power.

To the bolded, or what would the consequences be? Nope not up to me to tell the neighbour that he shouldn't spank his Monkey, but the community can get together to ask him to stop spanking his monkey on behalf of whatever bylaw they come up with.

 

[Murphy]

Hey OB, how did that trade deal and diversification work out with China?

You missed again.

 

[Corduroy]

To the bolded, or what would the consequences be? Nope not up to me to tell the neighbour that he shouldn't spank his Monkey, but the community can get together to ask him to stop spanking his monkey on behalf of whatever bylaw they come up with.

Not even the community should be allowed to stop monkey spanking. That's between you and your monkey.

 

[White_Unifier]

Not even the community should be allowed to stop monkey spanking. That's between you and your monkey.

Don't you have any compassion for animals? Don't be surprised if your monkey spanks you back in self defense or worse.