Trudeau Goes to China

Hoid

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If you are talking about the P/L that Trudeau put Tanker restrictions on that China was in partnership with as a yes I guess whatever floats your boat. And yes any PM can give the order to put in a P/L that is in the best interest for the country, political suicide, but it can be done.
No it can't. If it could be done Harper would have done it.

The Prime Minister of Canada cannot give approvals on First Nations lands or on BC government lands or on fish bearing streams or on municipal lands or on park lands....the list is long
 

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I'm for free trade with China, but totally opposed to extending that to Chinese state-owned enterprises.

Unfortunately, Canada needs China more than China needs Canada, China knows this, and so China will apply maximum pressure on Canada.

If Canada is thinking strategically, it should promote free trade with Hong Kong (but only on the condition that Hong Kong maintains its present Basic Law adhering to the ICCPR. Should Canada send the message that it will trade with any ICCPR-compliant state (even though granted Canada itself does not do so), then this would significantly reduce the pressure on Canada to trade with China.

That said, Canadian patriots have to be prepared to give up their sacred cows. No more forced Canadian Content, no more forced agricultural supply-management system, no more corporate bailouts, and no more prohibition on private healthcare operating side by side with public health care.

Canada cannot have its cake and eat it too. We are a country with a small population and thus small political and economic clout in the world. If we want to trade with ICCPR-compliant jurisdictions instead of with China, then Canada will need to play fair with them. If we're not going to play fair with them, then sorry, but China and Canada deserve one another.
 

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Apple Inc. Chief Executive Officer Tim Cook made his first appearance at China’s World Internet Conference, using the surprise keynote to call for future internet and AI technologies to be infused with privacy, security and humanity.

Cook made the comments on Sunday at the opening ceremony for the conference -- an event designed to globally promote the country’s vision of a more censored and controlled internet. It’s the second Chinese appearance in two months for the executive, who met with President Xi Jinping in October.

“The theme of this conference -- developing a digital economy for openness and shared benefits -- is a vision we at Apple share,” Cook said. “We are proud to have worked alongside many of our partners in China to help build a community that will join a common future in cyberspace."

Cook and Google chief executive Sundar Pichai are both making their first trips to the event. The attendance of leaders from two of the world’s most valuable tech giants lends credibility to China’s efforts to influence the global internet so it better resembles its own.

Cook’s comments come at a pivotal point for the company’s future in China, which is now its biggest market outside of North America. It relies on the sale of hardware and services in the world’s most populated country to propel revenue and profit growth. But the efforts required to stay in China’s good graces are causing tensions with civil libertarians and politicians at home.

He said Apple’s operations in the country began three decades ago with a handful of employees. Today, it helps support more than 5 million jobs in China, including 1.8 million local mobile app developers, he added.

Apple has come under fire for cooperating with Chinese authorities in removing apps that give users there uncensored communications. In November, Apple complied with government orders to pull Microsoft Corp.’s Skype phone and video service from the Chinese version of its popular app store. Cook used an earnings call with investors to justify such moves, saying it obeyed the laws of the markets where it operates.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ave-security-humanity-apple-chief-tells-china
 

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No it can't. If it could be done Harper would have done it.

The Prime Minister of Canada cannot give approvals on First Nations lands or on BC government lands or on fish bearing streams or on municipal lands or on park lands....the list is long

That's where I got it from that Harper could I can't find it on the web maybe someone else knows what I'm talking about and can help out. A little sticky in B.C. but they certainly can if it is viewed in the best interest for Canadian's, It's in the treaties for the rest of the country.

edit: found it

Ottawa could push pipelines through B.C.: legal experts
 
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tay

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Tay has an iPhone....?
No. That was a Reuters story and I guess Apple appeared in the link as a tag..........



Why there won’t be a ‘progressive’ Canada-China trade deal


The federal Liberals are dreaming if they think skeptical Canadians will buy the official line on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s sudden visit to China.

While Canadians settled in for the Grey Cup game last Sunday, the PMO announced that Trudeau will be in Beijing this week for talks about “a progressive trade agenda” as well as “frank dialogue on human rights issues like good governance, freedom of speech and the rule of law.”

Frank dialogue on human rights? Based on my past experience as a counsellor at the Canadian embassy in Beijing, I can safely say that Canadians should well be worried.

Beijing has made clear it will not abide aspirations of a “progressive trade agenda.” Inserting clauses on human rights, the environment or regulatory transparency into a free-trade negotiation is a non-starter.

This is a regime that demands Canadian companies operating in China transfer technology and intellectual property rights to their Chinese state partners. A free-trade deal won’t change that. No such “progressive” conditions appear in free-trade agreements with New Zealand or Australia. Why would Beijing give a minor global player like Canada special consideration?

Ottawa’s report this year on the “Public consultations on a possible Canada-China FTA has a long list of concerns cited by businesses that have had arbitrary taxes, import duties and “new” internal regulations imposed on them as their Chinese state partners squeezed them out of the Chinese market. The report strongly contradicts Trudeau’s optimism that a China free-trade agreement will benefit Canada and should be taken seriously.

Beijing is unyielding that non-economic factors have no place in trade deals. If Canada wants enhanced access to China’s huge market, it must toe Beijing’s line on non-contact with Tibet’s Dalai Lama, stay silent about threats to democracy in Hong Kong or Taiwan, drop objections to China’s development of military facilities in the international waters of the South China Sea and submit to Chinese espionage in Canada.

All this amid ever-increasing reports of aggressive menacing of Canadian citizens of Chinese origin to get them to comply with and serve the interests of the “motherland.”

So, what more does China hope to get in a free-trade agreement?

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https://theconversation.com/why-there-wont-be-a-progressive-canada-china-trade-deal-88450
 

Murphy

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What's your feelings on China's three main demands for free trade

1) More pipeline's and terminals to access their oil from the Prairies
2) No restrictions on owning resource and technological companies in Canada
3) More access to the Canadian agriculture sector

China Demands Concessions to Advance Canada Free Trade Pact

China open to historic free-trade deal with Canada under certain provisos

Seriously, you didn't expect an answer from OB, did you? She doesn't understand stuff like this. At any rate, it's cheap entertainment.
 

Murphy

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It was worth asking. It says a lot. Specifically, it tells me she's continues to be obsessed with Trump, and doesn't care about or understand any issues.
 

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Trudeau must say yes to the pipeline and he already has done that.

The problem is that he is not the one who says.

The process of pipeline approval and building involves many authorities, and as someone who is familiar with many of those authorities I can tell you there is no way anyone is putting a new pipeline through BC. They will be fortunate if they get to expand the one that's there.

It is laughable to think that Justin Trudeau or any Prime Minister can simply OK something like that.

How about we just build it and tell the anti work crowd to go piss up a rope? Kinder Morgan and the building trades unions should at least start a court case against any villages that are withholding permits for lost income.

I'm for free trade with China, but totally opposed to extending that to Chinese state-owned enterprises.

Unfortunately, Canada needs China more than China needs Canada, China knows this, and so China will apply maximum pressure on Canada.

If Canada is thinking strategically, it should promote free trade with Hong Kong (but only on the condition that Hong Kong maintains its present Basic Law adhering to the ICCPR. Should Canada send the message that it will trade with any ICCPR-compliant state (even though granted Canada itself does not do so), then this would significantly reduce the pressure on Canada to trade with China.

That said, Canadian patriots have to be prepared to give up their sacred cows. No more forced Canadian Content, no more forced agricultural supply-management system, no more corporate bailouts, and no more prohibition on private healthcare operating side by side with public health care.

Canada cannot have its cake and eat it too. We are a country with a small population and thus small political and economic clout in the world. If we want to trade with ICCPR-compliant jurisdictions instead of with China, then Canada will need to play fair with them. If we're not going to play fair with them, then sorry, but China and Canada deserve one another.
Canada has vast quantities of natural resources while China mostly has cheap labour and no environmental rules to speak of.That gives us much more clout than you seem to think.