Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban

IdRatherBeSkiing

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Reads quote about tumbling battery prices - points out that battery prices are rising.

Always a pleasure discussing issues with a real expert.

Perhaps he just didn't believe your quote. Not sure why not. You are always such a reliable and informed source.
 

pgs

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indeed the theory that the federal and provincial governments are the only two who must approve this project is simply false.
How many oil tankers are in the waters within a hundred miles or so of Vancouver as we speak ? How many more tankers will be travelling through these same waters on completion of pipeline ?
 

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You will note that Hoid rarely provides any proof of his own unfocused ramblings. Talking to him is like trying to interact with a rock.

I think he's grade 9 student.
 

taxslave

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Reads quote about tumbling battery prices - points out that battery prices are rising.

Always a pleasure discussing issues with a real expert.

Perhaps you should try reading something beside comic books. Try the business section of newspapers. Get your parents or teacher to explain the big words.
 

JLM

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How many oil tankers are in the waters within a hundred miles or so of Vancouver as we speak ? How many more tankers will be travelling through these same waters on completion of pipeline ?

Should be fewer! No?

You will note that Hoid rarely provides any proof of his own unfocused ramblings. Talking to him is like trying to interact with a rock.

I think he's grade 9 student.

Yep, he and Putz have a few things in common! :)
 

petros

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How many oil tankers are in the waters within a hundred miles or so of Vancouver as we speak ? How many more tankers will be travelling through these same waters on completion of pipeline ?

That depends. Inbound from Alaska or outbound from Burnaby

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Located on March Point near Anacortes, WA, the refinery – which initially was owned by Texaco – went on stream in September 1958, processing up to 45,000 barrels of crude oil per day. A half-century later, Texaco and Shell merged their refining and marketing operations in the Western U.S., including the Puget Sound plant. When Chevron acquired Texaco in 2001, Texaco sold its interest in the refinery to Shell.
The plant has an annual average crude processing rate of approximately 145,000 barrels (5.7 million gallons) per day. When the refinery first began operating, most of its crude oil came from Canada via pipeline. Although it continues to receive crude from central and western Canada, feedstock also arrives by tanker from oilfields on Alaska's North Slope.
On an annual basis, the refinery produces multiple types of gasoline in addition to fuel oil, diesel fuel, propane, jet fuel, butane and petroleum coke. It also produces two chemicals – nonene and tetramer – that are used in a variety of plastic products.
The refinery is the single largest taxpayer in Skagit County, and it’s also one of the area's largest employers. Shell supports roughly $80 million in salaries and wages per year for the roughly 700 employees and contractors who work there. According to a recent Western Washington University study, Shell and its neighboring refinery account directly for roughly 2% of the total employment in Skagit County, but they support 10%-14% of all jobs in the county. In a typical year, the refinery contracts with more than 75 local firms, large and small, spending more than $125 million annually.

Sinking the myth of dangerous West Coast oil tanker traffic: Gwyn Morgan
As British Columbia's looming change in government puts the Kinder Morgan expansion project in jeopardy, we need to realize just how safe oil tankers are

By Gwyn Morgan |May 26, 2017, 1:32 p.m. |

The expansion of the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain pipeline system, to ultimately move Alberta crude oil by tanker through the Port of Vancouver, was a high-profile issue in the recent B.C. election.

Liberal Premier Christy Clark agreed to support the federally-approved project in exchange for Ottawa’s commitment to a substantially upgraded emergency spill response plan and financial compensation from Kinder Morgan that would see the province paid as much as $1 billion over the next two decades.

This didn’t appease spill-fearing Vancouverites, who shifted their votes to NDP Leader John Horgan in the May 9 provincial election after he vowed to use “every tool in the toolbox” to fight the project. Green Party Leader Andrew Weaver also voiced strong opposition.

Now that a New Democrat/Green coalition looms as strong possibility to be B.C.’s next government, the federal government’s resolve to enforce its approval of the project will be sorely tested.

Prior to the election, Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson stated that expanding Kinder Morgan’s tanker traffic from five to 35 per month isn’t worth the “disastrous risks’’ of a spill.

But does the project actually pose such risks?

Let’s move beyond the rhetoric to some hard facts.

While there has never been a serous oil tanker spill on Canada’s Pacific coast, the truly disastrous environmental impact of the 1989 Exxon Valdez accident in Alaska’s Prince William Sound is the most often cited reason to oppose the Kinder Morgan expansion.

Paradoxically, the Exxon Valdez spill proved to be a powerful catalyst that set off a spill-prevention movement in the global oil shipping industry.

Investigators concluded that the spill wouldn’t have happened if the Exxon Valdez had been a double-hulled vessel. As a result, 150 countries mandated a 25-year phase-out of single-hull tankers and a requirement for all new vessels to be double-hulled by the end of 2014.

That phase-out began soon after with new, greatly improved ships progressively replacing older ones. The new double-hulled ships, combined with advanced navigation systems and other safety measures, have resulted in a precipitous drop in global seaborn oil spills from an annual average of 2,340 barrels per day in the 1980s to just 110 barrels per day since 2010.

That staggering reduction has been achieved despite a doubling of tanker shipments to 60 million barrels per day.

As a result, hundreds of times more petroleum from leaking vehicles, trucking spills, illegally disposed used oil and other land-based sources runs down municipal storm drains into the world’s rivers and oceans than from tanker spills.

That’s the global picture. What about in Canada?

Let’s start on our eastern coasts. Transport Canada data shows that more than 1.6 million barrels of petroleum is safely moved from 23 Atlantic Canada ports each day. Another 500,000 barrels per day moves up the St. Lawrence to Montreal and other Quebec ports. Overall, Eastern Canada’s ports berth some 4,000 inbound petroleum tankers each year without any major incidents.

Due to the proximity of the Vancouver and Seattle areas, analysis of tanker movements on the West Coast must include Canadian and American traffic. Essentially all tankers must transit the Strait of Juan de Fuca bordered to the north by Vancouver Island and to the south by Washington State.

Of the approximately 1.2 million barrels per day of oil that goes though the Strait of Juan de Fuca, about 500,000 barrels per day of mainly Alaskan oil similar in grade to Canada’s diluted oilsands crude moves south to the Seattle area.

About 700,000 barrels per day moves from the Vancouver region transported by various means, including tugboat-towed barges, refined fuel tankers and, five days a month, an outbound tanker carrying crude from Kinder Morgan’s Vancouver pipeline terminus. Despite hundreds of millions of barrels of seaborn petroleum movements over many decades, the only significant spill on the West Coast didn’t come from a tanker. It occurred when the BC Ferries vessel Queen of the North foundered near Price Rupert with 1,750 barrels of fuel on board.

The Kinder Morgan capacity expansion would see its tanker shipments grow to 35 per month. The company’s spill prevention measures go far beyond employing the strongest and safest double-hulled tankers. Certified Marine Navigation Pilots will be on the bridge until the ships reach open ocean. Powerful ocean tugs, one of which will be tethered to the tanker and the other available to assist, will keep the ships safe, even in the highly unlikely event of engine failure.

Like many West Coasters, my wife and I treasure the unique and beautiful environment of the region, spending time kayaking its waters and anchoring our boat in its myriad coves.

I’m not worried about adding one more oil tanker per day. But I do worry about the boat diesel, heavy bunker fuel and chemical pollutants pumped from the bilges of the other 6,000 large ships that travel our waters each year, ships that are not nearly as closely scrutinized as those 35 Kinder Morgan tankers are sure to be.

© 2017 Distributed by Troy Media
 

Hoid

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Perhaps you should try reading something beside comic books. Try the business section of newspapers. Get your parents or teacher to explain the big words.
Try understanding that battery prices are coming down.

You are misinformed about even the basic facts of the issue which is why you are such a waste of time.
 

Murphy

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I think not. You would do well to produce proof of your statements. But you know, you don't because you post here only to BS.

Pretty soon, you'll have everyone on ignore. :lol: You are such an incredible loser. A grade 9 student who cut school to post from his parent's basement.
 

Danbones

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Trump unlocked all the oil in the US which obummer had locked up in an effort to kill both our countries' economies
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Oil and gas will bail North America out in the next decades.
( condolences to all the mideastern oil and pipe line countries that obummer and clinton and the bushes invaded to make this happen.)

The Trumphaters are so scared they are going to lose their projected nazicommiesh!thole in progress.( say hello to fisa jail dooods!)
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Much to the joy of the rest of us who LEGALLY live here.
 

Murphy

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Ever notice how angry you get when I challenge your messed up beliefs? :laughing3:

Cliffy, you are a waste of skin. :lol:

And you hate that everyone here points out your shallow nature.
 

taxslave

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Try understanding that battery prices are coming down.

You are misinformed about even the basic facts of the issue which is why you are such a waste of time.

TRy reading something besides comics then maybe you will know what you are nattering about. Or ask your parents if reading and comprehension are not your strong suits.
 

Murphy

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You're entitled, but you don't post immature tripe or nonsensical pictures. That is the only thing Cliffy does.
 

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Poor Smurphy, he thinks he is some kinda shrink wannabe but he is really only able to see through the veil of his own self image. He is what he perceives others to be.

 

Murphy

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Poor Cliffy. A lonely old man with no friends.

Oh, a picture! How original!

It's a lot of fun being inside your head day after day, Cliffy.

You truly are a waste of humanity. Soon to be recycled into a cement curb. :lol: