Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban

[Twin_Moose]

and since it is the fishery that will be hurt there has to be some sort of scientific evidence that there can even be an effective spill response and clean up.

these vague promises from known liars (Kinder Morgan and all governments involved including First Nations) is simply not good enough here.

You want to ship bitumen have the common ****ing sense to do the due diligence.

It would not surprise me in the least to find out that Kinder Morgan has done studies and already knows damn well it cannot be cleaned up.


who did? all first nations?

What study/proof are you using as a reference that it can't be cleaned up?

All FN and the fishing industry certainly did have an opportunity to voice their concerns

 

[Hoid]

What study/proof are you using as a reference that it can't be cleaned up?

All FN and the fishing industry certainly did have an opportunity to voice their concerns

We know that it will float for a time and then sink, and that once it sinks it has to be dredged in order to get rid of it.

We known that most of the tanker route cannot be dredged.

So basically what we need is some sort of proof that a seemingly uncleanuppable substance can be cleaned.

Or rather we need proof that sunken bitumen will not hurt the ocean or the things that live in it.

 

[Murphy]

You don't need any proof. You won't get any proof. It's already there, but you certainly are not entitled to an explanation. What a putz.

 

[JamesBondo]

We know that it will float for a time and then sink, and that once it sinks it has to be dredged in order to get rid of it.

We known that most of the tanker route cannot be dredged.

So basically what we need is some sort of proof that a seemingly uncleanuppable substance can be cleaned.

Or rather we need proof that sunken bitumen will not hurt the ocean or the things that live in it.

and that is already the standard with ships and boats from all other nations?

 

[Hoid]

I don't know what other nations do.

I am pretty sure there is really no way to clean up sunken crude oil either. I would say chances are good that any problem would occur in higher sea states where response would have to wait until the weather calmed down.

 

[Twin_Moose]

We know that it will float for a time and then sink, and that once it sinks it has to be dredged in order to get rid of it.

We known that most of the tanker route cannot be dredged.

So basically what we need is some sort of proof that a seemingly uncleanuppable substance can be cleaned.

Or rather we need proof that sunken bitumen will not hurt the ocean or the things that live in it.

The heavy bitumen in question is a reference to the sand that is stained with oil, if you believe there is that much sand travelling with the crude that it is a problem? The reason that it floats for a bit before sinking is that the oil stuck to the sand keeps it buoyant until it washes off and sinks, the oil can be cleaned up.

 

[Hoid]

sand is only on issue once the oil washes up.

we are talking about bitumen that is spilled in open ocean.

 

[JamesBondo]

I don't know what other nations do.

I am pretty sure there is really no way to clean up sunken crude oil either. I would say chances are good that any problem would occur in higher sea states where response would have to wait until the weather calmed down.

I need to be clear on whether you are making this sh!t up in order to be a f#cking pain in the arse, or are there actual international standards being cited here.

because if you are just making up shit unique to canadians, then I would see you as a person who hates canadians with good jobs. We can't all work for walmart like you.

 

[Murphy]

Hoid/Flossy is very liberal with the truth. Don't let him trick you into believing his drivel. He never substantiates anything. He makes it up on the fly. You only need to check a few threads to see that.

 

[Hoid]

I need to be clear on whether you are making this sh!t up in order to be a f#cking pain in the arse, or are there actual international standards being cited here.

because if you are just making up shit unique to canadians, then I would see you as a person who hates canadians with good jobs. We can't all work for walmart like you.

not sure what you are missing.

there are no international standards on bitumen spill clean ups in the ocean.

thats why bc wants it postponed until there are some facts about it.

 

[Twin_Moose]

sand is only on issue once the oil washes up.

we are talking about bitumen that is spilled in open ocean.

We're talking about Bitumen anywhere that is why Petros kept posting that Bitumen is not piped anywhere Oil is

Do you think that light crude doesn't have Bitumen in it? It's just a lighter grain of sand

 

[Hoid]

So no bitumen will be piped through BC?

That's excellent news!

The shit they dilute bitumen with to get it loose enough to flow in a pipeline is acutely toxic.

I am glad none of that will be coming into BC.

 

[Murphy]

:roll:

 

[JamesBondo]

not sure what you are missing.

there are no international standards on bitumen spill clean ups in the ocean.

thats why bc wants it postponed until there are some facts about it.

clearly, you are blocking canadian jobs for the sake of law and standards that might be 30 years from now. Are you sure you haven't become a delusional star trek fan that thinks rational argruements can come from wishful thinking that hasn't quite materialized yet?

 

[petros]

sand is only on issue once the oil washes up.

we are talking about bitumen that is spilled in open ocean.

No bitumen is leaving Canada​

Or AB or SK.

No bitumen is leaving Canada​

peckerhoid

 

[JLM]

Rail are 1.5 track links (99 feet).

Roads are 1.0 track links (66 feet).

http://watershedsentinel.ca/articles/vancouver-islands-great-e-n-railway-land-grab/

 

[Hoid]

The pipeline is threatening Canadian jobs.

 

[JLM]

The pipeline is threatening Canadian jobs.

Maybe adding a few too!

 

[taxslave]

“The EV revolution is going to hit the car market even harder and faster than BNEF predicted a year ago. EVs are on track to accelerate to 54% of new car sales by 2040. Tumbling battery prices mean that EVs will have lower lifetime costs, and will be cheaper to buy, than internal combustion engine (ICE) cars in most countries by 2025-29.”

https://about.bnef.com/electric-vehicle-outlook/


You can choose to believe what you want to believe or you can choose to inform yourself.

You should take heed of what you wrote. The price of batteries is climbing significantly to to the lack of materials to build them with. Just the price of lithium has gone up almost 3 fold.

 

[Hoid]

You should take heed of what you wrote. The price of batteries is climbing significantly to to the lack of materials to build them with. Just the price of lithium has gone up almost 3 fold.

Reads quote about tumbling battery prices - points out that battery prices are rising.

Always a pleasure discussing issues with a real expert.