Too many deaths in the back country.

taxslave

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yes, they do have to take the risk, but they are trained in what they do, the public either walking
or driving on a public street, don't have an inkling that some drunk is driving his 'weapon' directly
toward them.

I agree with you half way lol lol

When on the road assume that the car ahead of you is driven by an idiot and the one coming towards you is driven by a drunken idiot.
 

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For the past several years we've heard of many deaths caused by avalanches, many of which happened in the Rocky and Selkirk Mountains. Hardly a week passes that we don't hear of dire warnings on the radio and other media. Why is it that people won't heed these warnings of almost certain death? To me and many others it doesn't seem to be rocket science that you can't be causing vibrations when the snow is unstable, yet many will blunder right on out there. It's just so sad as most of the victims are young people. I've always maintained that smart people learn from other's mistakes.


Can't ask Darwin............an' I dunno.

You CAIN'T FIX STUPID!!!..................Thanks Avro.;-)
 

karrie

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they can go out to kill themselves if they want, but drinking and driving is
putting the innocent at risk too, other than themselves, not the same in my
opinion.

we have talked about 'why' do these people do this each and every year, only
one answer we can come up with, 'stupidity'.

Causing an avalanche puts others at risk.
 

karrie

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yes, the other stupid people who are with you, and in the case of the incident
last year, those who came to 'watch' an event, seems that was a pretty rare
situation, but did happen.


Not everyone who gets hit by an avalanche is stupid, some are just hikers/crosscountry skiers/snow shoers/etc., following the rules at the base of the hills, not expecting some dipstick to go cause an avalanche further up. Much like jumping in a car drunk, the risk you pose isn't just a risk to yourself.
 

petros

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You don't need to be in the mountains to be stupid and die.

Recently a grandmother from St Louis SK was snowmobiling with her 3 year old granddaughter. They rolled, the grandmother was killed and the 3 year old ran all the way home to get help. If she was wearing a helmet she'd be alive.
 

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Not everyone who gets hit by an avalanche is stupid, some are just hikers/crosscountry skiers/snow shoers/etc., following the rules at the base of the hills, not expecting some dipstick to go cause an avalanche further up. Much like jumping in a car drunk, the risk you pose isn't just a risk to yourself.

Nope, when you are drunk, and drive, you are no different than a person pointing a loaded gun
all over the place, as you drive along the road, (hopefully, the road, but not always,)without a brain.

don't think someone would be walking on any trail in an avalanche area, or in an area where
others are 'high marking', or just driving a snowmobile wildly up and down hills, in backcountry
where they are likely not suppose to be. don't know how a walker would get there to begin with.
Nope, I would think all people in those particular areas are there for the same reasons.

Seems we are thinking of two different areas, and if these snowmobile people were in an area
where there were many others walking, snowshoeing, crosscountry skiing, then they should
reconsider where they are allowing people to do those things.

I know that 'here', on mount washington, the avalanche crew are constantly out and about to make
sure the people who are using the mountain 'properly' are safe, they create avalanches from time
to time, and spot danger areas and deal with them, BUT when people decide to go out and beyond
those areas, then they are beyond the protected and watched areas, so 'anyone' who decides to do
that, is either just putting themselves, or others doing the same things at risk, but no one else
who is paying attention to signs, and announcements.
Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought these people were in the back country, where no one else
would be around, unless they were driving a machine of some sort, if I am mistaken, and that
is not the case, then I take back my statement.
 

karrie

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I'm still completely unconvinced that causing an avalanche puts only you or 'stupid people' at risk.
 

petros

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More fatal car crashes are the result of being too tired to drive attentively than drinking and driving, same can be said those who weren't paying attention to natures "roadways" Their misjudgement cost them their lives.

It wasn't all that long ago that there was only back country and natures dangers. We've lost the skills and know how to survive in that evironment.
 

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I'm still completely unconvinced that causing an avalanche puts only you or 'stupid people' at risk.

I think the difference is in the numbers Karrie, if you cause an avalanche you have no way of knowing for sure how many, if any people you are putting risk. Of course Talloola is also correct in her assertion that (generally speaking) when you are driving drunk you are putting more lives (and likely more innocent lives) at risk. Defenceless people like 90 year old ladies and young babies don't generally frequent avalanche zones.