This summer may see first ice-free North Pole

mit

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Whether the ice caps melt (The Arctic will be first) or not we will be experiencing some climatic changes that if Canada plays it's cards right we can become an economic leader. Our success will play havoc on the value of our dollar against the world's currencies but it can be compensated by changing the tax structure towards taxing exports of some in demand resources and lowering our personal income tax and employer taxes to compensate. Changes needed will have to be a North American solution - Canada can not do it alone. We need a North American Carbon tax on fuel - this will make it more economic to convert resources and manufacture goods within our borders rather than have them made off shore.
Putting a tax at the consumer level on carbon purchases will feed government coffers rather than boardroom coffers and help to temper the price of oil at the well head. Mexico and Venezuela according to Jeff Rubin's book "Why your world is about to get smaller" are soon to lose their oil export business as they will need every drop for their own consumption. Canada can fill in the gaps to the North American market and Nat Gas will become more fuel than waste to be burned at the well head. Good times are ahead if we could only get our politicians heads out of the sand.
 

mit

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Doesn't matter much what Harper thinks, the State is dead set against a 3rd crossing anyway.

Well the Feds bought 95 acres for the new crossing - Seems the plans call for 135 acres - They are negotiating for the balance required - Seems they never heard of the word expropriation - :(
 

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Maybe next year.
 

Kakato

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When mother nature makes ice sheets grow and shrink it is primarily a matter of solar fluctuations. The evidence for this is undeniable.

While the temperatures in the arctic have been warming, it is the wind and wave action that is responsible for most of the recent decline in summer sea ice. The evidence for this is also overwhelming.

You got that right,in the arctic spring break lasts about 4 days,as the runoff cant penetrate the permafrost it runs into the lakes,melting everything in its path including the outside edge of and frozen waterbody,where I was the ice was allmost ten feet thick and after a few days of the outside edges melting from warm runoff, the wind and waves would take over and the ice would get moved and smashed in just a few days.
By the end of september it's freezing again and building.

Just dragging a shack across the tundra revealing the darker colored earth under the permafrost will start a melt and create a creek,sometimes in hours.
 

petros

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First time ever or first time since we've been able to look close enough?

Damn those Martians for being so reclusive.

maybe they don't want to immigrate to someone else's land and then bitch about their socialist penson being too low?
 

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It's an observable fact that the winter temperatures are increasing faster than the summer temperatures. Of course this has interactions on local meteorology, like wind.

It doesn't appear to be anything out of the ordinary either. Watch this video, and pay attention to the regular outflow of Arctic ice. Also notice the disappearance of thick old ice.
Video: the gradual disappearance of older Arctic sea ice | Environment | guardian.co.uk
 

AnnaG

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It sure felt like it this summer (embellishing).
Not around here. Bloody hot here. instead of our normal single heat wave lasting 5 to 7 days, we had 3 lasting about that long. And we weren't near as bad as the Okanagan Valley.

Ahhh. Got you. Maybe next year eh?
Maybe, maybe it'll freeze solid under a mile of ice. Local saying around here is that only fools and locals predict weather. North of 60 isn't local to me, so I don't do predictions about over there. lol
 

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Not around here. Bloody hot here. instead of our normal single heat wave lasting 5 to 7 days, we had 3 lasting about that long. And we weren't near as bad as the Okanagan Valley.

Down here in New England we had a chilly May, a rainy chilly June, and warm (not hot at all) July, and a hot/not so hot August. September has been on the mark meaning there is a chill in the air and fall/winter is surely coming.

We sort of bypassed summer this year.
 

AnnaG

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Down here in New England we had a chilly May, a rainy chilly June, and warm (not hot at all) July, and a hot/not so hot August. September has been on the mark meaning there is a chill in the air and fall/winter is surely coming.

We sort of bypassed summer this year.
I heard that about southern Ontario, too. Maybe Toronto wasn't miserably humid for a change. lol