There have been 18 US school shootings this year. Is it time to arm teachers?

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Please describe the difference between a high power hunting rifle and an assault rifle ?

Curious. I always assumed they were different. Given the new information, I think the part that makes it semi-automatic should be what is banned. The hunters can reload.
 

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Curious. I always assumed they were different. Given the new information, I think the part that makes it semi-automatic should be what is banned. The hunters can reload.
In my day it was always automatic weapons that were frowned on . Myself I only ever used a repeater style , it could pump lead fairly fast and accurately.
 

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I sure hope those ones are not going around nakked.

Isn't that one right in the middle a real beaut? :) :)

So what? It is how many people have die that counts. Being nit picky won't bring them back.

IRBS is quite correct on this one, Cliffy. On the matter of guns there's far too many people as it is getting all emotional and hyperbolizing or if you prefer Flossizing! Dead is bad - don't make it worse!
 

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In my day it was always automatic weapons that were frowned on . Myself I only ever used a repeater style , it could pump lead fairly fast and accurately.

I think the fast and accurate parts are what makes the school shooting "efficient" and deadly.
 

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I think the fast and accurate parts are what makes the school shooting "efficient" and deadly.

Those parts only enhance the deer hunting experience if you are a shit-lousy shot but it does not translate to the hobbyist that he needs a high rate of fire.
 

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OH look/

Florida Republican lawmakers and the NRA (also republican lawmakers) want to hang the sheriff in Florida.

Because that's better than blaming 5 million innocent gun owners whose only crime is trying to prevent the democratic process.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...en-amazing-leadership/?utm_term=.d38415dcb1b2

The gun owners are not the ones responsible for the shooting. Most of them (ignoring the criminal element here) acquired their guns by legal means.

The sheriff who was their certainly did a sh-itty job of doing the job he was paid to do.
 

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Arming teachers makes sense to anybody who is in the business of selling guns.

"Oh look, we have cancer! Let's get more cancer!"

The cancer is "gun free zones"

Oh look! We have cancer, and it is killing us!

No radiation thank you.

That would not be politically correct.
 

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Here\s an opinion piece from an American teenager - since we have almost unlimited opinions from old Canadian white men with no skin in the game.

I'm an American teenager. My school isn't safe. My country is failing me: Maple Buescher (Opinion) | cleveland.com

I'm an American teenager. My school isn't safe. My country is failing me:

CLEVELAND HEIGHTS, Ohio -- If you haven't felt the anger in the air, you've been living under a rock.

If you haven't heard Emma Gonzalez's speech where she "calls BS" on the government, you've been stuffing your fingers in your ears.

If you haven't seen the student protests at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High, you've been blinding yourself to reality.

Across the nation, teenagers are raising our voices, calling for gun reform. We've finally realized that lawmakers aren't planning to fix the crisis. We're stepping up to the plate. And it's for a heartbreaking reason: We're scared to go to school.

I'm a freshman at Cleveland Heights High School. I go to class in a newly renovated building, with beautiful architecture and high-tech classrooms. Yet I'm still fearful to enter the building every day. I'm still fearful that I will be the next one killed in a school shooting, immortalized in a newspaper but gone forever.

My fear isn't irrational. According to The New York Times, there has been an average of five school shootings every month since Sandy Hook. More than 150,000 American students have experienced a school shooting. I don't want to be the next number in a headline -- but every day I'm scared that I will be.


In the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High shooting in Parkland, Florida, the killer pulled the school's fire alarm to create chaos before slaughtering students.

Two days later, the fire alarm in my building went off. Terror shot through my heart. My first thought was, "Oh God, it's another Parkland; I'm going to die."

When murder is the first thing I fear when I hear a fire alarm -- which was almost certainly a drill or prank -- it's a sign that something's wrong in America's classrooms.

School shootings are the most horrifying tragedy in the world, and our country is doing nothing to prevent them.

Since 2012, more than 400 people have been shot in schools and 138 have died, The Times reports. That's 138 young lives, 138 future leaders, 138 beautiful faces that our country has lost forever.

Maybe one of them would have grown up to be president. We'll never know. From their tragedies, our government has learned nothing and done nothing. School shootings are still happening at astronomical rates.

Students across America don't want to be leading the charge for gun control, but adults aren't doing anything to protect us. We're not safe in school, and we realize that. We're terrified to wait any longer for gun reform -- because, if we do, any day it could be us, our classmates, or our family lying dead.


The Parkland high school repeatedly had active shooter drills, but that didn't stop the murder of 17 people. There was at least one armed guard on campus, but the "good guys with guns" couldn't take out the shooter. Continuing lockdown drills and adding more armed guards won't solve this epidemic. Only comprehensive gun control will.

Gun control has been proven to work. Australia, for instance, hasn't had a mass shooting in 20 years. While Australia's most drastic gun restrictions won't work in America, there are still logical steps to be taken.

The first is to ban assault rifles. There's no need for a citizen to own an AR-15, a military-grade weapon. The second is to enforce background checks and make purchasing guns more than a trivial matter. Furthermore, gun licenses and registration should be required, something lacking in many states. We also need to realize that arming fewer people, not more, is the solution. Finally, our country must listen to teenagers.

We, students, are the ones going to school every day, who walk into our buildings fearing violence. We, students, are demanding solutions.

In the words of the student-led National School Walkout group (which was formed after Parkland and eight days after the shooting had more than 100,000 Twitter followers), "We are students. We are victims. We are change."


National School Walkout
@schoolwalkoutUS
On Friday, April 20th we want students to attend school and then promptly WALK-OUT at 10:00 am. Sit outside your schools and peacefully protest. Make some noise. Voice your thoughts. "We are students, we are victims, we are change."

7:05 PM - Feb 16, 2018
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It's important for everybody -- but especially children going to school every day -- to stand up and shout for reform. To fellow students, get involved. Learn about the National School Walkout, March for our Lives, and other youth-led groups; sign petitions on Change.org; and, please, email or call your representatives. You have a voice and rights.

As minors, we cannot do this alone. We need the support of adults and lawmakers. We need tighter gun restriction now. To my congressional representatives, listen. Hear students' voices. We're scared to go to school, and that needs to stop.

Our country is failing us. You have the power to change that. Don't fail us again.

Maple Buescher is a freshman at Cleveland Heights High School, where she writes on the PenOhio team and plays violin in the Heights High Symphony. She would like to recognize her parents and sister for all of their support.
 

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Here\s an opinion piece from an American teenager - since we have almost unlimited opinions from old Canadian white men with no skin in the game.

I'm an American teenager. My school isn't safe. My country is failing me: Maple Buescher (Opinion) | cleveland.com

I'm an American teenager. My school isn't safe. My country is failing me:

CLEVELAND HEIGHTS, Ohio -- If you haven't felt the anger in the air, you've been living under a rock.

If you haven't heard Emma Gonzalez's speech where she "calls BS" on the government, you've been stuffing your fingers in your ears.

If you haven't seen the student protests at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High, you've been blinding yourself to reality.

Across the nation, teenagers are raising our voices, calling for gun reform. We've finally realized that lawmakers aren't planning to fix the crisis. We're stepping up to the plate. And it's for a heartbreaking reason: We're scared to go to school.

I'm a freshman at Cleveland Heights High School. I go to class in a newly renovated building, with beautiful architecture and high-tech classrooms. Yet I'm still fearful to enter the building every day. I'm still fearful that I will be the next one killed in a school shooting, immortalized in a newspaper but gone forever.

My fear isn't irrational. According to The New York Times, there has been an average of five school shootings every month since Sandy Hook. More than 150,000 American students have experienced a school shooting. I don't want to be the next number in a headline -- but every day I'm scared that I will be.


In the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High shooting in Parkland, Florida, the killer pulled the school's fire alarm to create chaos before slaughtering students.

Two days later, the fire alarm in my building went off. Terror shot through my heart. My first thought was, "Oh God, it's another Parkland; I'm going to die."

When murder is the first thing I fear when I hear a fire alarm -- which was almost certainly a drill or prank -- it's a sign that something's wrong in America's classrooms.

School shootings are the most horrifying tragedy in the world, and our country is doing nothing to prevent them.

Since 2012, more than 400 people have been shot in schools and 138 have died, The Times reports. That's 138 young lives, 138 future leaders, 138 beautiful faces that our country has lost forever.

Maybe one of them would have grown up to be president. We'll never know. From their tragedies, our government has learned nothing and done nothing. School shootings are still happening at astronomical rates.

Students across America don't want to be leading the charge for gun control, but adults aren't doing anything to protect us. We're not safe in school, and we realize that. We're terrified to wait any longer for gun reform -- because, if we do, any day it could be us, our classmates, or our family lying dead.


The Parkland high school repeatedly had active shooter drills, but that didn't stop the murder of 17 people. There was at least one armed guard on campus, but the "good guys with guns" couldn't take out the shooter. Continuing lockdown drills and adding more armed guards won't solve this epidemic. Only comprehensive gun control will.

Gun control has been proven to work. Australia, for instance, hasn't had a mass shooting in 20 years. While Australia's most drastic gun restrictions won't work in America, there are still logical steps to be taken.

The first is to ban assault rifles. There's no need for a citizen to own an AR-15, a military-grade weapon. The second is to enforce background checks and make purchasing guns more than a trivial matter. Furthermore, gun licenses and registration should be required, something lacking in many states. We also need to realize that arming fewer people, not more, is the solution. Finally, our country must listen to teenagers.

We, students, are the ones going to school every day, who walk into our buildings fearing violence. We, students, are demanding solutions.

In the words of the student-led National School Walkout group (which was formed after Parkland and eight days after the shooting had more than 100,000 Twitter followers), "We are students. We are victims. We are change."


National School Walkout
@schoolwalkoutUS
On Friday, April 20th we want students to attend school and then promptly WALK-OUT at 10:00 am. Sit outside your schools and peacefully protest. Make some noise. Voice your thoughts. "We are students, we are victims, we are change."

7:05 PM - Feb 16, 2018
272K
143K people are talking about this
Twitter Ads info and privacy
It's important for everybody -- but especially children going to school every day -- to stand up and shout for reform. To fellow students, get involved. Learn about the National School Walkout, March for our Lives, and other youth-led groups; sign petitions on Change.org; and, please, email or call your representatives. You have a voice and rights.

As minors, we cannot do this alone. We need the support of adults and lawmakers. We need tighter gun restriction now. To my congressional representatives, listen. Hear students' voices. We're scared to go to school, and that needs to stop.

Our country is failing us. You have the power to change that. Don't fail us again.

Maple Buescher is a freshman at Cleveland Heights High School, where she writes on the PenOhio team and plays violin in the Heights High Symphony. She would like to recognize her parents and sister for all of their support.
Utter bullshit from an immature brain.
 

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If these kids weren't being pimped they'd be asking for solutions to the rampant teen mental health problems that are at the root of school shootings.
 

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Gun control debate is on.

High school kids are just not buying that the argument has been settled.

Every generation has to agree with the law otherwise you live in a tyranny,