The true marvelous story of Moses

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he is said to have the old maps and knew more then we are told
his ships:
the NINA - nin being the root of nine and ninurta one of the ancient babylonian gods
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninurta
many of those gods have NIN as their root word and N is the summerian cuniform "Zero" so NIN is the top 00 on a marine compass
its relation to nine:
the vernier which allows an extra decimal place of accuracy and is a scale of ratio (9:10 )

and the PINTA - PIN, 9, the rho, a symbol representing the wheel cross - (PIN number)
the shepards crook - flock, flow, flotilla...crook...
 
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It also seems worth pointing out that the story of Moses in the Quran was plagiarized from Jewish scriptures, that's the only source of information about him.

The much similarity of the story of Moses in both the Torah and the Quran does not necessarily mean it was plagiarized in the Quran from the Torah (most of which is now included in the Old Testament.)

God Who revealed it in the Torah, is the same One That revealed it in the Quran.

Moreover, the story in the Quran is not the identical copy of the story of the Torah, but there are many differences, and many things told in the Quran are not even mentioned in the Torah.

So if it was - as the atheist claim - plagiarized from the Torah, it would come identical.

Most people here do not read what I write; if they read carefully the story of Moses in the Quran which I am telling, they will discover it is not plagiarized.

The Quran came to correct and to stand instead of the Torah which suffered much alterations from the original one; the Christ also had come to correct many distortions which afflicted the original God's religion in the original Torah, which is other than the now available Torah re-written by the priest Ezra following their return from the captivity of Babylon.

http://quran-ayat.com/conflicts/index.htm#The_Torah_[or_Hebrew_Bible]_of_Ezra_
 

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It sounds like plagiarism to me. Quelle surprise! Changed just enough to make it sound like an original concept. Idol worshippers rewriting the Old Testament.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7GyLr7Cz2g
 

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The spelling Sargon is derived from the single mention of the name in the Hebrew Bible, as סַרְגוֹן, in Isaiah 20:1. The biblical reference is to Sargon II.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sargon_of_Akkad
"Sargon, king of Akkad, overseer of Inanna, king of Kish, anointed of Anu,
(his god was not yahweh, it was AN as in ANGELS )

""My mother was a high priestess, my father I knew not. The brothers of my father loved the hills. My city is Azupiranu, which is situated on the banks of the Euphrates. My high priestess mother conceived me, in secret she bore me. She set me in a basket of rushes, with bitumen she sealed my lid. She cast me into the river which rose over me. The river bore me up and carried me to Akki, the drawer of water. Akki, the drawer of water, took me as his son and reared me. Akki, the drawer of water, appointed me as his gardener. While I was a gardener, Ishtar granted me her love, and for four and ... years I exercised kingship."

If one reads the available Gospel, he will never think that Jesus Christ had brought a heavenly religion; but will think it is some sort of idolatry: because they speak about a son of God, and that God came down as mortal then he went up as a God, and that Jesus was part of Trinity ... so all this in addition to the Cross and the statue of Jesus hanged on it and the other statues of Jesus and his mother and the statues and images of the saints ... from all this man will consider Christianity as one of the idolatry religions.

That is because the message brought by Jesus was altered by people to something like the idolatry.

But we are told in the Quran that God sent Jesus as an apostle to the Children of Israel, and most of them denied him; and God revealed to him the Gospel.

Therefore, it may be the same about the ancient religions: there were many prophets and messengers .. a large number in fact; all of them preached the monotheism and the worship of God alone, but later on their messages were altered by generations after generations into the idolatry.

But we have not been told about all the prophets and messengers in either of the Torah or the Quran.

And I asked Abu Abd-Allah, the interpreter, and he said: "I don't know about Budda or others because they are not mentioned in the Glorious Quran, but if Budda or others preached and invited people to worship God alone without associate then he is a prophet, and if not then he is not any prophet."
 
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Of course, we should believe Satan's messenger. The devil will say anything to trick man. We have been warned of it in both testaments.

Begone idolater! No one believes your lies and hateful messages.
 

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The story of Moses

Quran 79: 15-26
, which mean:
{15. Have [you, Mohammed, understood] the story, of Moses [with Pharaoh, when it had previously] reached you?

16. When his Lord called to him in the sacred a Valley of Tuva:

17. "Go to Pharaoh; he has become a tyrant."

18. "And say [to him]: 'Do you like to purify [yourself from disbelief, by admitting that there is no god but God]?"

19. "And that I should guide you to [recognize] your Lord, then you shall fear [the consequence of your disbelief and oppression, in order to forsake all that]?"

20. And he showed him the greatest miracle [: the staff.]

21. But [Pharaoh] denied [it] and rebelled [against his Lord.]

22. Then he turned away [from Moses] seeking [to disprove his miracle.]

23. Then he mustered [his companions and retinue] and made a proclamation [to them:]

24. And said: "I [Pharaoh] am your Lord, Highest [than all other gods.]"

25. So God seized him with the punishment of the Next [Life: in the Fire] and the First [life of the World: by the drowning and disgrace.] b

26. Surely, in that [drowning and perishing] is a lesson to any who fears [God's punishment and avoids His disobedience.]}
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16 a The valley became holy because Abraham the ‘Loyal Friend of God’ performed the prayers there; therefore, it became holy, for it became a mosque or a place of worship, which is called the Valley of Tuva.

25 b They say he was Merneptah, the son of Ramses II.

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
http://quran-ayat.com/interpretation.pdf
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/79.htm#a79_15

Google search: quran-ayat Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly The Quran interpretation


It sounds like plagiarism to me. Quelle surprise! Changed just enough to make it sound like an original concept. Idol worshippers rewriting the Old Testament.

If you claim you have reason and thinking, consider this:

Suppose the Quran is truly revealed from God (I say suppose), then will the story of Moses in the Quran come similar to the story in the Torah or not? (because the same God revealed both the Torah and the Quran)

And suppose (I say suppose only as argument) ... suppose God revealed the Quran, and certainly the Torah suffered many alterations by the passage of time and various circumstances, won't the story of the Quran include some differences to avoid the alterations of the Torah?

(For God will not give the story in the Quran to include the alterations of the present Torah.)

Of course, we should believe Satan's messenger. The devil will say anything to trick man. We have been warned of it in both testaments.

So don't you think you have been tricked by Satan so as to glorify Jesus as you glorify God Almighty, while Jesus Christ rebuked a man called him as 'righteous man' and he said to him: "Why do you call me 'righteous'; the righteous is only One that is God."

And Jesus said: "I have come to fulfil the will of God Who sent me; and no servant is greater than his master, and no messenger is greater than the One Who sent him."

A true believer in God should believe and practice the First Commandment which is greater than all the commandments, while the enthusiasm about Jesus, his mother and the saints --> will lead man to failure and loss at least in the Next Life (in addition to the life of the World.)
 
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The story of Moses

Quran 79: 15-26
, which mean:
{15. Have [you, Mohammed, understood] the story, of Moses [with Pharaoh, when it had previously] reached you?

16. When his Lord called to him in the sacred a Valley of Tuva:

17. "Go to Pharaoh; he has become a tyrant."

18. "And say [to him]: 'Do you like to purify [yourself from disbelief, by admitting that there is no god but God]?"

19. "And that I should guide you to [recognize] your Lord, then you shall fear [the consequence of your disbelief and oppression, in order to forsake all that]?"

20. And he showed him the greatest miracle [: the staff.]

21. But [Pharaoh] denied [it] and rebelled [against his Lord.]

22. Then he turned away [from Moses] seeking [to disprove his miracle.]

23. Then he mustered [his companions and retinue] and made a proclamation [to them:]

24. And said: "I [Pharaoh] am your Lord, Highest [than all other gods.]"

25. So God seized him with the punishment of the Next [Life: in the Fire] and the First [life of the World: by the drowning and disgrace.] b

26. Surely, in that [drowning and perishing] is a lesson to any who fears [God's punishment and avoids His disobedience.]}
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16 a The valley became holy because Abraham the ‘Loyal Friend of God’ performed the prayers there; therefore, it became holy, for it became a mosque or a place of worship, which is called the Valley of Tuva.

25 b They say he was Merneptah, the son of Ramses II.

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
http://quran-ayat.com/interpretation.pdf
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/79.htm#a79_15

Google search: quran-ayat Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly The Quran interpretation




If you claim you have reason and thinking, consider this:

Suppose the Quran is truly revealed from God (I say suppose), then will the story of Moses in the Quran come similar to the story in the Torah or not? (because the same God revealed both the Torah and the Quran)

And suppose (I say suppose only as argument) ... suppose God revealed the Quran, and certainly the Torah suffered many alterations by the passage of time and various circumstances, won't the story of the Quran include some differences to avoid the alterations of the Torah?

(For God will not give the story in the Quran to include the alterations of the present Torah.)



So don't you think you have been tricked by Satan so as to glorify Jesus as you glorify God Almighty, while Jesus Christ rebuked a man called him as 'righteous man' and he said to him: "Why do you call me 'righteous'; the righteous is only One that is God."

And Jesus said: "I have come to fulfil the will of God Who sent me; and no servant is greater than his master, and no messenger is greater than the One Who sent him."

A true believer in God should believe and practice the First Commandment which is greater than all the commandments, while the enthusiasm about Jesus, his mother and the saints --> will lead man to failure and loss at least in the Next Life (in addition to the life of the World.)

But since it is all just mythology anyway it really doesn't matter.
 

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But since it is all just mythology anyway it really doesn't matter.

It is not mythology.

In fact, God repeated the story of Moses in the Quran in many ways and in many rings of the story chain ... for purpose of confirming Prophet Mohammed in his mission, so as to tell him:
Be like Moses who did not fear Pharaoh; therefore, you too should not fear the tyrants among your people.
And be steadfast, as was Moses steadfast and firm in belief.

In addition to acquainting Prophet Mohammed about such stories of the prophets mentioned in the Torah and many of them and their stories were unknown to Mohammed and his people.
 

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So if it was - as the atheist claim - plagiarized from the Torah, it would come identical.
No, that's not what plagiarism means, and it's not just atheists who make that claim. Any serious student of religion will tell you the same thing, many of the stories in the Quran were taken from the Bible, and many of the stories in the Bible were taken from still older sources, God had nothing to do with revealing them to anyone, they're human inventions. So is god.
 

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No, that's not what plagiarism means, and it's not just atheists who make that claim. Any serious student of religion will tell you the same thing, many of the stories in the Quran were taken from the Bible, and many of the stories in the Bible were taken from still older sources, God had nothing to do with revealing them to anyone, they're human inventions. So is god.

Well, there is the story of Amon Ra ......
 

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Yes, and a wonderful story too. The King of the Gods - Amon Ra!

In the endless reaches of the universe, there once existed a planet known as Ra, a planet that burned like a green star in the heavens.

There, civilization was far advanced and it brought forth a race of "supermen," whose mental and physical powers were developed to the absolute peak of human perfection. But there came a day when giant quakes threatened to destroy Ra forever. One of the planet's leading scientists, sensing the approach of doom, placed his infant son in a small reed basket made from titanium, and sent it hurtling in the direction of the Earth just as Ra exploded.

The basket sped through star-studded space, landing safely on Earth with its precious burden: Ra 's sole survivor. A passing chariot driver found the uninjured child and took it to a priest. Confused by what he'd found.

As the years went by and the child grew to maturity, he found himself possessed of amazing physical powers. Faster than a speeding arrow, more powerful than an elephant, able to leap tall pyramids in a single bound. The infant of Ra was now: Amon Ra!

To best be in a position to use his amazing powers in a never-ending battle for truth and justice, Amon Ra has assumed the disguise of a man-bird. A mild-mannered god of justice for all!



Disclaimer: Then again, this might be a an old, corrupted version of a radio play. Don't be a disbeliever!
 

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But since it is all just mythology anyway it really doesn't matter.

Mythology matters a great deal. And I'll argue with you upon reciept of your installment.

That seems very familiar. I think I read that story or one very like it in a comic book a long time ago.

Your parents allowed you to read comic books? And then you gravitated to science fiction and finally you got a degree in science fiction.
 

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I agree there DB. There's a great deal of wisdom and knowledge in mythology. It's when people try to take figurative stories and make them a literal thing that the confusion starts,
 

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No, that's not what plagiarism means, and it's not just atheists who make that claim. Any serious student of religion will tell you the same thing, many of the stories in the Quran were taken from the Bible, and many of the stories in the Bible were taken from still older sources, God had nothing to do with revealing them to anyone, they're human inventions. So is god.

I know what 'plagiarism' means; so the disbeliever says: the Quran plagiarize the stories of the Torah or the Bible; while the believer says: no, both the stories of the Torah and the Quran were revealed by God.

I told another member, although of course you out of your overpride, did not read it.
So I repeat it here:

God - be glorified - revealed many stories in the Torah, which suffered many alterations and much distortion; then God revealed the same and other stories in the correct form.

This is in the Quran about the stories written in the Torah or the Bible, and then were repeated in the Quran:

Quran 39: 23, which means:
{God has revealed the best story b: a book [: the Quran] similar [to the story of the Torah c ], repeated d; at which e the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble with quivering f, then their skins and their hearts do soften to the admonition of God g.
Such [guidance] is God's guidance with which He guides whom He pleases.
But whomsoever God misguides, there will be none to guide him.
h}
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23 b i.e. the best stories, which are the stories of the prophets that are mentioned in the Quran.
The indication of this is His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 12: 3, which means:
(We do relate to you [Mohammed] the best of stories [of the ancient], by revealing this Quran to you.)
23 c It means: The stories of the prophets that are mentioned in the Quran are similar to that mentioned in the Torah.
23 d They were mentioned twice: one time in the Torah and the second time in the Quran.
23 e i.e. at the story.
23 f On account of what they heard of the stories of the past nations who denied the messengers :) the apostles) and how God destroyed them with punishment.
23 g On account of what they heard about the tales of those believing in the messengers and how God helped them against their enemies in the life of the World, and about the reward which God prepares for them in the Next Life.
23 h This has also been explained in the interpretation of the Quran 16: 93

Which is also mentioned in the Quran 15: 87, which means:

{We have offered to you, [Mohammed], seven repeated a [stories which had been written in the Torah and have been repeated in the Quran], and the great Quran [in addition to that]. b}
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87 a Any words repeated in speaking or writing is called تثنية , like the Book of Deuteronomy of the Bible, [which is called Deuteronomy] because it was mentioned twice.

Therefore, (We have offered to you, [Mohammed], seven [stories which had been written in the Torah and have been] repeated [in the Quran]) means: seven stories of the past prophets which we had mentioned to Moses, and his people had written them in the Torah, then when these stories have been written in the Quran, they have become ‘repeated’ stories: it means: they were written twice: the first time in the Torah for Moses, and the second in the Quran for Mohammed.
This is confirmed by His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 39: 23, which means:
(God has revealed the best story: a book [: the Quran] similar [to the story of the Torah], repeated, at which the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble with quivering, then their skins and their hearts do soften to the admonition of God.)

Therefore:
(God has revealed the best story) means : the best stories of the ancient people in order that your heart Mohammed may be reassured, and your nation may take lesson of the nations before them with their prophets.

The indication of this is His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 12: 3, which means:
(We do relate to you [Mohammed] the best of stories [of the ancient.])

(a book [: the Quran] similar [to the story of the Torah.])
It means: the stories that We have revealed in the Quran is similar to the stories of the prophets.

The indication of this is in His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 87: 18-19, which means:
(Surely, [We mentioned all] this in the former [heavenly] scriptures: The scriptures of Abraham and [the scriptures of] Moses [: the Torah.])

And in His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 20: 133, which means:
(Has not come to them the clear explanation of [the story of the past nations] that is in the former Scripture [: the Torah, the Psalms and the Gospel?])
(repeated) means: it is mentioned twice: one time in the Torah and the other time it is for Mohammed in the Quran, so they became (repeated.)

(at which the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble with quivering)
It means: At such stories, the skins tremble with quivering.
The meaning: When believers hear the stories of the past nations who denied the messengers and how God terminated them with various kinds of punishment, then their skins quiver because of mentioning and hearing such stories, and they fear of their Lord and ward off His punishment by doing righteousness acts and avoiding the sins.


(then their skins and their hearts do soften to the admonition of God) because of the good reward and prosperity in Paradise, with which God promises them.



87 b It means: We have given you also the Quran, which none of the prophets had before, as to its fluency, eloquence, laws, telling about the past, foretelling about the future, and others.

As regards to the seven stories mentioned in the Bible, the Book of Genesis, and are also mentioned in the Quran are: the story of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Ishmael, Jacob and Joseph: all these came before Moses, and God mentioned their stories to Moses, so his people wrote them in the Torah Collection [and were then included in the Old Testament.]

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.

http://quran-ayat.com/interpretation.pdf

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/contents.php
 
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the solar character of Moses,

The god Taht says to Isis, the mother: "Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with the child," and the place of concealment indicated was in the marshes of Lower Egypt--bringing the Moses analogy to mind at once! This is pure evolutionary symbology and not personal history.

Ancient mythic tradition had it that various typal Christ characters, Noah, Seth, Enoch, Moses, Joshua, plucked a shoot from the tree of life in the garden and planted it on the mount of Golgotha, where it burgeoned anew to become the tree of the crucifixion. And if, in its deepest sense, the cross of crucifixion is only the metaphor for this incarnation in body, which gives ever more abundant life to the soul

Earth is the only place where spirit and matter ever meet on equal terms or in the 217
balance (symboled of course by the equinoxes), and so it is that God always called man (typed by "Moses") up into Mount Sinai to commune with him. Jesus, the Christ, is drawn up onto the mount to be tempted, he delivers his Sermon or Sayings of wisdom to humanity on the mount (though Luke says it was on a level plain), he was crucified on the hill and was transfigured in the height. Even the ark landed on the "mount of earth,"




Then there is J. M. Robertson, whose labors unearthed much of the buried truth about the Jesus myth. He calls attention to the notable circumstance that the Miriam of Exodus is no more historical than Moses; like him and Joshua she is to be reckoned an ancient deity euhemerized; and the Arab tradition that she was the mother of Joshua (Jesus) raises an irremovable surmise that a Mary, the mother of Jesus, may have been worshipped in Syria long before our era.



The Talmudic Moses has a virgin mother; Samuel’s mother became pregnant after receiving divine seed; Zipporah was found by Moses pregnant, but by no mortal man. Tamar became pregnant by an infusion of divine seed and Isaac was not the result of generation, but of the shaping of the unbegotten. On the
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Greek side not only were the heroes of legend, Herakles, Theseus, Perseus, Jason and others believed to be the sons of divine fathers and human mothers, but the same legend reached down even to historical figures like Pythagoras and Plato, both of whom were "Sons of Apollo,"





Cristna (Krishna), Moses, Cyrus, Romulus and others were all exposed, Higgins reminds us, but all were saved from the tyrant’s power. And, like Alfred the Great (whom Raglan shows to have been also a semi-mythical character), they were all preserved by a cowherd. The cowherd would have relevance under Taurian zodiacal symbolism, and
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the figure would have been changed to a shepherd at the incidence of the next sign in the precessional order, Aries, the Ram.
And very enlightening is Higgins’ comment on the deification of the Caesars:

Who is this