The supergun that kills from a mile - and the crackshots using it against the Taliban

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They have to have ice water in their veins. I know a guy was sniper in Bosnian war. (Had to jump down a **** house hole to hide one time.) They paid him off because of a psych assessment. He was beginning to show remorse, regret, and pity for past targets.

Canadian Love –
I understood it took about 2 or 3 days for him to get close enough – took the shot – made the kill – thousands of NVA were on the hunt – at one point a guy was just about standing on top of him – Ice water yes -
 

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Baptizes him?!!!!

Good Lord, no!

The Christian ammunition has the bullets lubed with pig grease.............

That rumor came from the Indian Uprising in 1857 I believe – the Holy Water ones are for Atheists – those that survive convert.
 

bobnoorduyn

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Neither is faster. That is why we have varying weights of powder and projectiles. I'd feel much safer having a 2 grain piece of lead travelling at 1000 fps hit me in the backside than I would having a 50 grain piece of lead travelling at 700 fps.
Besides that, what sort of damage would you expect a 300 grain .338 round travelling at 1700 fps 1000 yds later would be in comparison to a 600 grain .50 BMG round travelling at 1200.
Besides that, you have to remember that the heavier round is less affected over distance by wind drift.

Well unless you're trying to punch through steel the bullet weight here isn't an issue, they both have the desired penetration power. Bullet diameter would be more of a concern for sure but using your figures, the 300 gr .338 could still have up to 60% more energy than the .50 at 30% greater velocety. Granted, both have advantages over the other.

One common error, and I've made it myself, is believing that the heavier the bullet the better. But if you look at the max loads for, say the 30.06, a 110gr bullet can deliver 3500fps, the max for a 220 gr is 2400fps. Often the best results come from something in between. A light bullet takes less energy to move and a large powder charge won't exceed pressure limits. The faster it travels the less it is affected by gravity becaused the travel time is less, however it decellerates faster. The heavy bullet travels slower because to move it faster may overpressure the chamber, but it is less affected by drift, decellerates more slowly but drops further overall because of the longer travel time, and often is going much slower when it hits the target.(A make work project for the ballistician).

One other misinterpretion I heard of was that of heavy bullets hitting targets higher than lighter ones. It turned out that the bullet was still in the barrel when the effects of the recoil were acted upon the rifle and shooter. The upward motion of the muzzle caused the upward trajectory of the bullet giving erroneuos ballistic results.

As for your other comparison, a 2 gr chunk of lead travelling a 1000 fps, because of its diameter, could actually be able to penetrate deeper than the 50 gr chunk at 700 fps, but could also be stopped by thick clothing. A 20 gr chunk of lead would be more cause for concern.
 

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The RCAF, back in the late fifties, early sixties, used to practice fire on towed targets. One of the targets was a thirty foot long by eight foot high fiberglass flag with bull's eye rings on it. To keep the target upright, there was an eight foot steel pipe attatched to the front of the target with a six inch diameter mild steel weight on the bottom. We were firing 50 cal. API ammunition and often the rounds would go right through that six inch steel weight.
 

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A number of years ago a saw a job posting, the navy would shoot at towed target missiles, the job posting was for crews to fly the Learjet that towed them, no thanks.8O
 

#juan

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A number of years ago a saw a job posting, the navy would shoot at towed target missiles, the job posting was for crews to fly the Learjet that towed them, no thanks.8O

Our targets were usually towed by a T-33.....If you got in trouble you could always eject out of a t-bird. Might be a little harder with a Learjet....:smile:
 

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Well unless you're trying to punch through steel the bullet weight here isn't an issue, they both have the desired penetration power. Bullet diameter would be more of a concern for sure but using your figures, the 300 gr .338 could still have up to 60% more energy than the .50 at 30% greater velocety. Granted, both have advantages over the other...........
Yup. It depends upon the task at hand.
Overall, however I would prefer the heavier weight over the lighter for long distances simply because it is easier to adjust for elevation than windage. Recoil and whatnot can be compensated for mechanically. As for penetration, this is also adjustable depending upon intended purpose (IE: jacketed bullet as opposed to straight lead, hollow-point as opposed to pointed tip bullet, etc.).
 

bobnoorduyn

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Our targets were usually towed by a T-33.....If you got in trouble you could always eject out of a t-bird. Might be a little harder with a Learjet....:smile:

I knew a fellow who did take that job, (I met him long after he had quit), he said it was interesting;-), he could feel a bit of a tug when they hit the target. But yes, a rocket powered seat would be a bit of re-assurance.
 

bobnoorduyn

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Yup. It depends upon the task at hand.
Overall, however I would prefer the heavier weight over the lighter for long distances simply because it is easier to adjust for elevation than windage. Recoil and whatnot can be compensated for mechanically. As for penetration, this is also adjustable depending upon intended purpose (IE: jacketed bullet as opposed to straight lead, hollow-point as opposed to pointed tip bullet, etc.).

I know one fellow who likes to use lead in his 30.06, he casts his own, but anything over 1800fps leads the barrel up hopelessly. I use lead in my .45,(mainly because I'm cheap and the price of copper went through the roof) and even that is messy.
 

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I used to work in a paper mill and when they dismantled an old machine that used lead bushings....I collected a lot of that lead and so did a few other target shooters in the club. Since that alloy melts at a higher temperature than plain lead, it's perfect for 44's and 357's full loads......but I don't think I would try it in a 30-06...
The lead is collected regularly from the backstop and recycled and mixed in good proportion with fresh stuff when we cast more bullets......
 

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Yep Black leaf, and if they keep trying, some day they will be as good as Canadians. :)

In 2002, a Canadian sniper, using a rifle chambered in .50 BMG (which makes the 8.59mm look like an air rifle) killed a Taliban fighter from the astounding range of 2430 meters.

That is the undisputed longest range kill ever made by a man with a rifle.

PPCLI snipers were so feared in Afghanistan that they won Canada a top rating in bin Laden's hate list.

ahhh

Edited to say: I see this is mentioned in the link above to Carlos Hathcock, the USMC sniper of renown. I read his book.....

A honour, I might add.

Indeed... the Canadian sniper owns that record. Wow what a shot.