The Ontario Government wants to sell pot

[JLM]

Not everyone that drinks is an alcoholic.




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There's lots of people who don't drink who are alcoholics.

 

[Bar Sinister]

People die from the dope the government sells quite often

but the money laundering the banks do with what the government makes illegal, and therefor profitable, keeps them alive...while they steal your money too

BTW, it costs about 25 bucks to grow a Christmas tree over its approx. 15 year lifetime, so how much do you think it costs to grow and process a pot plant that grows in one year and pays out 10 times as much @ wholesale street price?

...and then there is the opium the US government manages (and profits from) in Afghanistan...
and the weed and cocaine from Central and South America...the wars (profitable), and the illegal immigrants (profitable), and the theft of rights (profitable), and the weapon sales(profitable), and the child trafficking (even more profitable),.....then there is the profit they make off all the OTHER laws and then the seizures from eminent domain ( pure profit!)...





The way you have insulted OTHER people's posts ( not just mine ) WITHOUT even READING their citations, ( as your comments have proven) is as ignorant, stupid, and as rude as it gets.
You can't hide THAT behind the color blue...

Of course it goes without saying you would have to have have a knitting needle lobotomy to support something as insanely criminal, as humanly awful, and as wrong, and un-electable, as the CHEATER Hitlary the way you do.
( you know the retard Hitlary that said we can't legalize drugs because there is too much money to be made)

Was that clear enough for you dum a$$?

Nice long post Bonehead. And as usual it is completely muddled. What is really amazing is that somehow you think I am a Clinton fan. Or maybe it isn't really that amazing considering how often you get things wrong.

 

[Jinentonix]

That’s not really my question. It is: Since you admit that marijuana isn’t exactly a positive thing, especially when used for recreation, then why is there such a big movement to legalize it? To argue that there are more dangerous things out there (which I acknowledge) like alcohol and tobacco, so why should pot be outlawed, it would be more rational to say that since pot is outlawed, why not outlaw tobacco and alcohol too, since the latter are more dangerous than the former? Are we trying to make a better society or a worse one? You rationally agree that society would be better if no one smoked pot, if there simply wasn’t a demand for it. So at the very least you should argue that pot isn’t a good thing, and there should be an educational effort by the government to educate society and discourage them from not smoking pot, beginning in elementary school (like there is such an educational effort against drugs and alcohol in general). It seems to be that those who are part of the free cannabis movement are themselves pot smokers who simply want their bad habit to be legalized. They don’t care about anything else, it is the single most important issue for them, which makes people like me suspect that the movement to legalize pot doesn’t have any rational or objective underline basis.

After 10 years of de facto legalization in Portugal, drug overdoses had declined by 50%. Overall drug use declined. Alcohol related incidents declined. Fewer people were incarcerated for simple possession. Pot use among teens declined while increasing slightly for the rest of the population. This left more money and resources for police to go after the manufacturers and distributors as well as other crimes. Those who were charged with possession of drugs other than weed were sent before a tribunal who would decide whether to recommend jail time, rehab or to just drop it altogether. Again, money that was saved not going after, prosecuting and incarcerating the end user was used to help fund the rehab programs. In fact, the benefits of legalization far outweighed any negatives. The difference is, the Portuguese legalized it for damage control purposes. I'm afraid our govts are looking at it more as another cash cow which means we probably won't see the same benefits as Portugal.

But you aren't a teetotaler. Teetotalers never drink in their life, they don't do drugs, ever, and never even smoked a cigarette, they NEED to stay in control. I'm not talking about recovering alcoholics either but of people that have never touched any of the things I listed. Donald Trump, Ted Nugent, people like these two. You're a moderate drinker I was referring to.

Ummm, Ted Nugent was a prodigious drinker in his heyday.

What is the vested interest in keeping it illegal? I only know of vested interest to make it legal. Marijuana is addictive, that much we can agree on,

No, we can't because it's not. I've seen the brain scans of various people on a variety of substances. The only people who didn't have their dopamine centers activated were the pot smokers. Even video gamers get dopamine releases when playing their games. Oddly, marijuana affects parts of the brain that none of the other drugs affect, and the effect isn't necessarily bad.
On top of that, when a pot smoker decides to quit, they don't go through physical withdrawals that you get even with nicotine and alcohol. That's because the body doesn't have to adjust to the dopamine levels caused by marijuana use because there is no change in dopamine levels from marijuana use. That is why it's so easy to stop smoking weed if one so desires. It's that dopamine release that's all important in this discussion of addiction. In that regard, something healthy like working out is more of a drug than weed is.
And because it's not water soluble like alcohol and the manufactured drugs, it doesn't cause massive kidney and liver damage.

A similar education program aimed at alcohol will significantly reduce the rate here too, to the point that drinking will become a major social taboo associated with the gutter trash.

Holy shit! It's a 21st century abolitionist. Contemporize, man. You sound like one of those religious freaks.

 

[Danbones]

Seldom has a government been so out of touch with voters than the Kathleen Wynne’s provincial government approach to selling pot.
Wynne's pot plan a haze | MARIN | Toronto & GTA | News | Toronto Sun
well....

It looks like this product has been well tested BEFORE it ever gets to the consumer.

 

[justlooking]

Seems rather coincidental that Selfsame walks the plank and this one starts up

One jihadi is already one too many round here.

 

[AMKiller]

After 10 years of de facto legalization in Portugal, drug overdoses had declined by 50%. Overall drug use declined. Alcohol related incidents declined. Fewer people were incarcerated for simple possession. Pot use among teens declined while increasing slightly for the rest of the population. This left more money and resources for police to go after the manufacturers and distributors as well as other crimes. Those who were charged with possession of drugs other than weed were sent before a tribunal who would decide whether to recommend jail time, rehab or to just drop it altogether. Again, money that was saved not going after, prosecuting and incarcerating the end user was used to help fund the rehab programs. In fact, the benefits of legalization far outweighed any negatives. The difference is, the Portuguese legalized it for damage control purposes. I'm afraid our govts are looking at it more as another cash cow which means we probably won't see the same benefits as Portugal.


Ummm, Ted Nugent was a prodigious drinker in his heyday.

No, we can't because it's not. I've seen the brain scans of various people on a variety of substances. The only people who didn't have their dopamine centers activated were the pot smokers. Even video gamers get dopamine releases when playing their games. Oddly, marijuana affects parts of the brain that none of the other drugs affect, and the effect isn't necessarily bad.
On top of that, when a pot smoker decides to quit, they don't go through physical withdrawals that you get even with nicotine and alcohol. That's because the body doesn't have to adjust to the dopamine levels caused by marijuana use because there is no change in dopamine levels from marijuana use. That is why it's so easy to stop smoking weed if one so desires. It's that dopamine release that's all important in this discussion of addiction. In that regard, something healthy like working out is more of a drug than weed is.
And because it's not water soluble like alcohol and the manufactured drugs, it doesn't cause massive kidney and liver damage.


Holy shit! It's a 21st century abolitionist. Contemporize, man. You sound like one of those religious freaks.

Ted Nugent never consumed alcohol.

It's Prohibitionist not abolitionist. Abolitionists were against slavery.

Because today's pot is so potent, pot smokers do go through some type of withdrawal like night sweats, it lasts a night or two but it is a form of withdrawal.

 

[Danbones]

Three days of finding other things to do is all it actually takes, and that's not that tough...That's all it takes to deal with the MINOR inconvenience of going without pot.
( not counting dealing with the actual self medication for illness factor..those symptoms will re-materialize)

I volunteer with the homeless: NO one has a relative problem going without pot:
Cigarettes, pills, heroin, crack, booze, legit off the list meds - they can't do without, and that's why they are homeless.
(stuff the government sells one way or the other, or taxes insanely)

There are NO homeless people who only smoke pot as a vice.

 

[petros]

Oh I don't know about that - I often ease the pain of arthritis by drinking stem tea so i must be getting THC in the boiling. Cheers and happy weekend!

Doubtful but if placebo works, go for it.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Prohibition failed because the people are just too base and uneducated. Good laws often fail because the public suck.

So you are one of these idiots that believe grown adults are unable to make decisions for themselves (good or bad) and your "pious" a$$ should set the standards for us all to live by. See that is the real issue you raise. Who should be the one to make the rules for everyone else? Most will pick themselves or their conclave just like you, thinking you know what is best for me and everyone else. Me, I pick nobody, you do as you please, I'll do as I please.

It most definitely will.

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Sure...when the muslim hordes take over the planet the great pedo-prophet mohommad will remove all alcohol and drugs and white folks from earth leaving only the devout muslims to smoke heroin they grow and kill each other....LOL!!!

Education changes everything, despite the huge marketing campaign of the industry. Tobacco use has significantly declined in Canada and the US. Unfortunately it has exploded in places like China, South Korea, Russia, Eastern and Southern Europe. This is because education program is absent in such parts of the world to persuade young people that smoking isn’t “cool”. A similar education program aimed at alcohol will significantly reduce the rate here too, to the point that drinking will become a major social taboo associated with the gutter trash.

You are gutter trash!!

 

[Jinentonix]

Ted Nugent never consumed alcohol.

Uh yeah, he did. He even claimed his father would give him shit when he came home smelling like beer. Kind of hard to get in shit for drinking if you never drank.

It's Prohibitionist not abolitionist. Abolitionists were against slavery.

Yep, wrong word. My bad.

Because today's pot is so potent, pot smokers do go through some type of withdrawal like night sweats, it lasts a night or two but it is a form of withdrawal.

Horseshit. Addictions come from two places. One is dopamine release and the other is simply habitual. Since marijuana use doesn't increase dopamine production, the physical addiction factors simply aren't present. Now, if you're the type of person who likes to do a toke or two before going to bed because it helps you sleep, then the disruption in that routine might make it harder to fall asleep for a night or two. But actual physical manifestations of addiction? Highly doubtful.

 

[AMKiller]

Uh yeah, he did. He even claimed his father would give him shit when he came home smelling like beer. Kind of hard to get in shit for drinking if you never drank.

Yep, wrong word. My bad.

Horseshit. Addictions come from two places. One is dopamine release and the other is simply habitual. Since marijuana use doesn't increase dopamine production, the physical addiction factors simply aren't present. Now, if you're the type of person who likes to do a toke or two before going to bed because it helps you sleep, then the disruption in that routine might make it harder to fall asleep for a night or two. But actual physical manifestations of addiction? Highly doubtful.

He did ONCE after his father gave him shit then stopped. This was not during his heyday.

Not horseshit, my cousin told me he gets nightsweats if he stops smoking marijuana for a day or two. Like I also said, it's not major withdrawal but it is a form of withdrawal.

 

[Danbones]

Because of the way pot is anti inflammatory you may have consequences from the inflammation when the pot is stopped
No offence but anyone who calls that 'addiction", or claims pot causes the problem it treats, is an idiot.

Probably an idiot who is profiting in part from the problem that caused the rampant chronic histamine and inflammation problems in the first place.

( buddy might want to check into other problems he might have like a heart or diabetes condition.)
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/night-sweats.36380/

Cannabis has also been used medicinally for nearly as long, with Queen Victoria using it regularly
https://www.diabetesdaily.com/blog/2015/10/can-marijuana-improve-blood-sugars-in-type-2-diabetes/

Pot reduces excess blood sugar by about 15 %

 

[AMKiller]

Because of the way pot is anti inflammatory you may have consequences from the inflammation when the pot is stopped
No offence but anyone who calls that 'addiction", or claims pot causes the problem it treats, is an idiot.

Probably an idiot who is profiting in part from the problem that caused the rampant chronic histamine and inflammation problems in the first place.

( buddy might want to check into other problems he might have like a heart or diabetes condition.)
Night Sweats | Diabetes Forum

Cannabis has also been used medicinally for nearly as long, with Queen Victoria using it regularly
https://www.diabetesdaily.com/blog/2015/10/can-marijuana-improve-blood-sugars-in-type-2-diabetes/

Pot reduces excess blood sugar by about 15 %

Pot is habit forming.

I'm not against it's legalization but it does have some side effects which pot lovers overlook. One guy told me that smoking pot increases lung capacity, which is a ridiculous statement.

Yes pot does all those things but a person doesn't need to get high to benefit.

Pot also makes on forgetful.

 

[JLM]

Pot also makes one forgetful.

That's for damn sure - a lot of them forget to get up off their ass to do a day's work. Saw a lot of that in the 60s and 70s.

 

[taxslave]

He did ONCE after his father gave him shit then stopped. This was not during his heyday.

Not horseshit, my cousin told me he gets nightsweats if he stops smoking marijuana for a day or two. Like I also said, it's not major withdrawal but it is a form of withdrawal.

I get night sweats once in a while and I haven't smoked a joint in 5 years.

That's for damn sure - a lot of them forget to get up off their ass to do a day's work. Saw a lot of that in the 60s and 70s.

You might have cause and effect mixed up. Could be they wre just union employees. Our nonunion crew smoked a lot of pot in those days and always outproduced the company union crew.

 

[JLM]

You might have cause and effect mixed up. Could be they wre just union employees. Our nonunion crew smoked a lot of pot in those days and always outproduced the company union crew.

Can't argue with that fact - same applies with those who don't smoke pot.


There was one exception however, I did have one gung ho Union guy in the 80s and 90s, who outworked everyone else but he was the single exception I came across.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Pot is habit forming.

So is every other thing when done repeatedly over time...which is the exact definition of a habit in fact.

I'm not against it's legalization but it does have some side effects which pot lovers overlook.

So just buy some stock in Doritos and Twinkies and reap the rewards of legalization

One guy told me that smoking pot increases lung capacity, which is a ridiculous statement.

Not much different from many of the ridiculous statements made against pot.

Yes pot does all those things but a person doesn't need to get high to benefit.

But getting high makes the benefits more fun

Pot also makes on forgetful.

Like forgetting the 'E' in one...lol

 

[Johnnny]

Words like getting you "High" have a bad image attached to it. And weed shouldn't have that image.

Lets stop saying that weed gets you "High" and lets just start saying it like it is, and that weed just gets you "Irregular"

"Whoa man this shit has me feelin Irregular as f@ck dawg"