The Ontario Government wants to sell pot

[justlooking]

Regarding personal attacks I reply in kind. Accept the fact that as well informed as you think you are there may be others who do not agree with you. I welcome intelligent debate, but if you want to get into a slanging match I am quite able to more than hold my own.

I'm sure you hold your own frequently, and quite well. After you find it, of course. :lol::lol:

Then how about a 100% fail rate? Speeding is against the law, but almost everyone does it. Does that mean our speeding laws have failed?

Yes.

And what do tobacco sales have to do with the issue anyway? It is sold through privately owned vendors, not by government.

It was YOU who boasted about how good your precious government was doing with regulating tobacco.
That's what is has to do with it.
Now you can continue your backpedal away from the fact the government has failed to control
illegal cigarettes, and will now fail at controlling dope.

 

[pgs]

Perhaps they do. I don't live there, but the question is would a different government handle the sale of tobacco and alcohol any differently?



Your post contains the usual lack of content. I note that as usual you do not cite any precise figures to back up your assertions or provide any sources so I will assume that my original point is valid and yours is just the usual blowing out your backside.

And your point about illegal tobacco simply backs up my original post in another thread. Thanks for agreeing with me.

And just in case you don't understand how crown corporations work the LCBO works independently of the government just like any private corporation. It also takes in almost 2 billion dollars a year in revenue, which seems to me to be an impressive indication of success. Possibly even more revenue could be generated by selling off the assets of the LCBO, however, that would remove it from provincial control.

Revenue does not equal profit .

 

[Bar Sinister]

I'm sure you hold your own frequently, and quite well. After you find it, of course. :lol::lol:




Yes.




It was YOU who boasted about how good your precious government was doing with regulating tobacco.
That's what is has to do with it.
Now you can continue your backpedal away from the fact the government has failed to control
illegal cigarettes, and will now fail at controlling dope.

Well, if that is the best you can do I think I'll have no trouble dealing with you. The reason I asked the question about reasoned debate was because I wanted know what category you fit into - Are you a hate filled moron like Angstrom or are you a wacko like Danebones whose posts are almost unreadable or are you someone like Tecumseh with whom it is possible to have an intelligent discussion. Your choice - I respond to each of them in kind.

And if you think speeding laws have failed then I guess you think they should be repealed. How about murder? That also has a certain failure rate.

And finally -
Number one - it is not my precious government. I don't even live in Ontario and I don't vote Liberal. Number two - it was not a boast. Number three - tobacco is sold privately, the government has nothing to do with it. And number four - the Ontario government is not selling pot, it is licensing the right to do so. Number five - I am not backpedaling, my original post was directed at the OP, you jumped into the fray with an inaccurate observation. Number six - read your original reply - you were unable to make a valid point so you filled your post with insults.

 

[JLM]

A 1/3 success rate makes you a superstar in baseball.

In hockey too.

 

[Nanoose]

The Ontario government dropped the tobacco prices to drive the boot leggers out of business.
Once they were gone, they jacked it right back up sky high.

Only the reserves sell tax free tobacco now and IF you are caught reselling smokes off rez, the fines are HUGE.

Ya but they wouldn't try that trick again with cannabis - would they? Actually it probably is part of the plan - put the growers out of business then after 5 years or so grams will be $60 because of taxes. Cheers and happy weekend!

 

[taxslave]

Thanks for posting all those links to articles I had already researched. I didn't bother with them since they were not relevant to my original post which was that tobacco and alcohol sales in Ontario have been handled adequately by the government. The fact that many people break the law regarding the buying of tobacco has nothing to do with that fact. It does however support my position that only allowing a few large companies to sell cannabis products will not eliminate the illegal sale of the product. And are you suggesting that those appointed to crown corporations are part of a corrupt practice? If so provide evidence to that effect.

As for Alberta, it has nothing to do with my original post. I can tell you that the original privatization of the ALCB was one riddled with favoritism with little or no effort to actually sell its assets at anything close to their real value. In fact many liquor stores were sold off to supporters of the PCs at rates as low as 10 cents on the dollar. Since that time very little has changed for the average alcohol user. There is a little more selection, and hours are better, but the price of the product is now even higher and there have been multiple incidents of sales to minors.

BTW I usually find that those who use insults when they reply to one of my posts do so because they are unsure of their facts or simply don't know an intelligent way to post a reply. Reply to me politely and I will respond in the same. And just in case you think I started the animosity between us check out your very first reply to my OP and check out my OP. Note the lack of name - calling.

Nice spin.

Then how about a 100% fail rate? Speeding is against the law, but almost everyone does it. Does that mean our speeding laws have failed? The fact that people buy tobacco illegally in Ontario has nothing to do with government other than the fact that people are trying to evade taxes. And what do tobacco sales have to do with the issue anyway? It is sold through privately owned vendors, not by government.

And as I said you are agreeing with me regarding illegal sales. I posted several days ago that the Ontario government was making a mistake by limiting the number of vendors.

Regarding personal attacks I reply in kind. Accept the fact that as well informed as you think you are there may be others who do not agree with you. I welcome intelligent debate, but if you want to get into a slanging match I am quite able to more than hold my own.

Speeding or going above the posted limit? Not necessarily the same thing.

 

[JLM]

Nice spin.



Speeding or going above the posted limit? Not necessarily the same thing.

I suppose where the posted speed limit is 20 kmh, 25 could hardly be called speeding, but I'm not sure where safety is the issue it's the right time to get into semantics.

 

[darkbeaver]

Government should fuk off and let the market decide. We will have cannabis even if it means your removal from government. You will enact no laws against the progress of cannabis. It's a lot smarter than you are.

 

[ZulFiqar786]

The LCBO needs to be abolished. It’s not the job of the government to be selling people liqor. That is ridiculous. The government needs to be completely neutral and stop the social engineering by promoting liqor. It is generally well known that consuming alcohol is unhealthy. The culture of beer drinking in Canada belongs to the most base and uneducated population. The government shouldn’t be encouraging such a culture, but actually educating against it. When I was in primary school in the early 2000s I remember the government’s strong educational program against tobacco and drugs. Alcohol needs to be added too. The school program of warning young people against the harm of tobacco and drugs is effective. People of my generation don’t smoke and that’s a good thing. But why didn’t the government include anti-alcohol message in this educational program too? Simply because of politics, otherwise there is no rational reason to preach against tobacco and drugs but exclude alcohol. In summary, end LCBO and start working towards getting rid of the alcohol culture in Canada through an aggressive educational program beginning in elementary school.

 

[darkbeaver]

Government control of liquir must end, I don't need you to enjoy the brew. fuk off, fix the roads and stay in the background or face revolt, yer there to monitor the parking meters don't presume, we the people rule, if you don't want to swing get with the programe, free cannabis.

It should and is covered in elementary school, the benifits of a cannabis based breakfast, two numerous to list here because of space limitation.

 

[ZulFiqar786]

My question to those who want to totally legalize marijuana: your arguments are about individual freedom which is understandable. But those who argue for legalization of marijuana are often portrayed as people addicted to pot and so there is always an element of bias to be presumed in their arguments. Do you therefore agree that even if you think pot should be legal that doesn’t necessarily mean pot is a good thing, and it’s not good for society if everyone was smoking pot? I’m not talking about medicinal use (the jury is still out on that), but purely recreational use. Given the massive damage caused by tobacco around the world, do we really need to have another generation destroyed by marijuana, even if you argue that marijuana is less dangerous than tobacco (again I’m not exactly sure if that’s true). This is the greatest problem I have with the legalization movement.

 

[Cliffy]

My question to those who want to totally legalize marijuana: your arguments are about individual freedom which is understandable. But those who argue for legalization of marijuana are often portrayed as people addicted to pot and so there is always an element of bias to be presumed in their arguments. Do you therefore agree that even if you think pot should be legal that doesn’t necessarily mean pot is a good thing, and it’s not good for society if everyone was smoking pot? I’m not talking about medicinal use (the jury is still out on that), but purely recreational use. Given the massive damage caused by tobacco around the world, do we really need to have another generation destroyed by marijuana, even if you argue that marijuana is less dangerous than tobacco (again I’m not exactly sure if that’s true). This is the greatest problem I have with the legalization movement.

You obviously know nothing about cannabis.

 

[JLM]

I was in the pot biz for 10 years so I laugh at the thought of Liberals thinking they can sell weed and compete with the professionals.. Cheers!

Gov'ts are supposed to be regulators not mongers!

 

[justlooking]

Number three - tobacco is sold privately, the government has nothing to do with it.

Really. So who decides where, and when, and to who, and by who, tobacco can be legally sold ?
Your statement is just so much nonsense.

And number four - the Ontario government is not selling pot, it is licensing the right to do so..

This ranks right up there with the government has done a great job because 1/3 of cigarettes sold are illegal.

It licenses the right to sell dope ... to itself. That's what a Crown Corp is.

 

[JLM]

Regulating and selling are two completely different things.

 

[Jinentonix]

It always has, now it's not taboo to talk about it.

The SK the Govt is doing a survey to ask residents for their input on sales, restrictions, prevention, public safety et etc.

They already said they weren't going to tax the snot out of it to make the black market redundant.

I did the math. The govt could tax marijuana at 5X the rate it taxes tobacco and it would still bring the price in well below current street prices.

The culture of beer drinking in Canada belongs to the most base and uneducated population.

So architects, politicians, lawyers, doctors, engineers, accountants etc etc are part of the the most base and uneducated population?
Funny, Kim Campbell had that same shit-sucking attitude after stepping in for Mulroney. No surprise she didn't win the election.
But sure, feel free to insult large numbers of Canadians. That'll make you real popular and your life here much easier. :roll: Have you been taking lessons from Hillary Clinton or something? :lol:

 

[Danbones]

People die from the dope the government sells quite often

but the money laundering the banks do with what the government makes illegal, and therefor profitable, keeps them alive...while they steal your money too

BTW, it costs about 25 bucks to grow a Christmas tree over its approx. 15 year lifetime, so how much do you think it costs to grow and process a pot plant that grows in one year and pays out 10 times as much @ wholesale street price?

...and then there is the opium the US government manages (and profits from) in Afghanistan...
and the weed and cocaine from Central and South America...the wars (profitable), and the illegal immigrants (profitable), and the theft of rights (profitable), and the weapon sales(profitable), and the child trafficking (even more profitable),.....then there is the profit they make off all the OTHER laws and then the seizures from eminent domain ( pure profit!)...

Well, if that is the best you can do I think I'll have no trouble dealing with you. The reason I asked the question about reasoned debate was because I wanted know what category you fit into - Are you a hate filled moron like Angstrom or are you a wacko like Danebones whose posts are almost unreadable or are you someone like Tecumseh with whom it is possible to have an intelligent discussion. Your choice - I respond to each of them in kind.

And if you think speeding laws have failed then I guess you think they should be repealed. How about murder? That also has a certain failure rate.

And finally -
Number one - it is not my precious government. I don't even live in Ontario and I don't vote Liberal. Number two - it was not a boast. Number three - tobacco is sold privately, the government has nothing to do with it. And number four - the Ontario government is not selling pot, it is licensing the right to do so. Number five - I am not backpedaling, my original post was directed at the OP, you jumped into the fray with an inaccurate observation. Number six - read your original reply - you were unable to make a valid point so you filled your post with insults.

The way you have insulted OTHER people's posts ( not just mine ) WITHOUT even READING their citations, ( as your comments have proven) is as ignorant, stupid, and as rude as it gets.
You can't hide THAT behind the color blue...

Of course it goes without saying you would have to have have a knitting needle lobotomy to support something as insanely criminal, as humanly awful, and as wrong, and un-electable, as the CHEATER Hitlary the way you do.
( you know the retard Hitlary that said we can't legalize drugs because there is too much money to be made)

Was that clear enough for you dum a$$?

 

[AMKiller]

The LCBO needs to be abolished. It’s not the job of the government to be selling people liqor. That is ridiculous. The government needs to be completely neutral and stop the social engineering by promoting liqor. It is generally well known that consuming alcohol is unhealthy. The culture of beer drinking in Canada belongs to the most base and uneducated population. The government shouldn’t be encouraging such a culture, but actually educating against it. When I was in primary school in the early 2000s I remember the government’s strong educational program against tobacco and drugs. Alcohol needs to be added too. The school program of warning young people against the harm of tobacco and drugs is effective. People of my generation don’t smoke and that’s a good thing. But why didn’t the government include anti-alcohol message in this educational program too? Simply because of politics, otherwise there is no rational reason to preach against tobacco and drugs but exclude alcohol. In summary, end LCBO and start working towards getting rid of the alcohol culture in Canada through an aggressive educational program beginning in elementary school.

While I agree government should get out of selling liquor I don't agree with the rest of your post.

A glass of red wine a day lowers your chance of having a heart attack. Drinking in moderation won't kill you like everything else done in moderation.

People that don't drink or do drugs, even in moderation, are control freaks, case in point, Muslims. Another guy who's a teetotaler is Donald Trump. I rest my case.

 

[tay]

While I agree government should get out of selling liquor I don't agree with the rest of your post.

A glass of red wine a day lowers your chance of having a heart attack. Drinking in moderation won't kill you like everything else done in moderation.

People that don't drink or do drugs, even in moderation, are control freaks, case in point, Muslims. Another guy who's a teetotaler is Donald Trump. I rest my case.

Ah yes. If we did everything that increases our longevity by 5% would we ever die except by un- natural causes......?

Is it possible that the Ontario government will be the only entity in the history of civilization to actually lose money selling drugs?

Perhaps "only" is an exaggeration. We all knew that dealer in high school who smoked more than he sold, leaving him ultimately in the red. Or that guy whose mom found his stash and confiscated his product, compelling his frustrated customers to shop elsewhere.

But by and large, those who enter the marijuana business — which, for now, is still illegal — do so with the understanding that there is money to be made. Good money. The stuff practically sells itself, in fact.

But when you are a government known for its crippling overspending and regular financial boondoggles, the notion that one could actually lose money selling marijuana becomes a plausible outcome.

Ontario has revealed what could quite possibly be the most complicated, cumbersome, expensive legalization plan conceivable — one that is certain to maintain the black market while at the same time burdening itself with massive overhead and organizational costs.

Instead of pursuing the cheaper, easier option of developing a licensing framework for existing dispensaries and taxing the revenue — sort of like the province does with tobacco sales and, to a lesser extent, The Beer Store — Ontario will create a new government-owned and -controlled enterprise, which will have a monopoly over pot sales in the province. As such, it will be responsible for everything: purchasing, distribution, retail space, training, payroll and so forth, following the existing framework of the province's LCBO liquor stores.

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Could the Ontario government actually lose money selling pot?: Robyn Urback - CBC News | Opinion

 

[petros]

Legalization is a Leftist indulgence that will lead to absolution the same way a carbon tax is an indulgence putting a price on the sin of not riding transit.