The Ontario Government wants to sell pot

[AMKiller]

Instead of just taxing pot sales. I wager they will lose money and the taxpayer will have to bail them out AGAIN.

The Liberals can't even manage a lemonade stand, much less compete with the black market.

 

[Nanoose]

I was in the pot biz for 10 years so I laugh at the thought of Liberals thinking they can sell weed and compete with the professionals.. Cheers!

 

[justfred99]

One of the things that the Liberals forget is that once they start with new staff the PIMP will jump in and demand more money. The Union (commonly know as a PIMP) will pretend that they are protecting the workers when actually they are just creating a job for themselves.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Instead of just taxing pot sales. I wager they will lose money and the taxpayer will have to bail them out AGAIN.

The Liberals can't even manage a lemonade stand, much less compete with the black market.

Correct me if I am wrong, but to my knowledge Ontario plans merely to tax marijuana and regulate sales; not sell the product. In that sense marijuana will be managed like alcohol and tobacco, two products the province has handled quite well.

 

[tay]

Instead of just taxing pot sales. I wager they will lose money and the taxpayer will have to bail them out AGAIN.

The Liberals can't even manage a lemonade stand, much less compete with the black market.

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/153911-lcbo-will-run-150-standalone.html

 

[Danbones]

Tobacco and alcohol are drugs and are listed as such.
The government sells alcohol and tobacco because it is a dope dealer.

 

[mentalfloss]

Correct me if I am wrong, but to my knowledge Ontario plans merely to tax marijuana and regulate sales; not sell the product. In that sense marijuana will be managed like alcohol and tobacco, two products the province has handled quite well.

Yes, but you are just applying your non-stupidity filter to this situation.

You need to empty your brain and stop thinking altogether, like the following..

Tobacco and alcohol are drugs and are listed as such.

The government sells alcohol and tobacco because it is a dope dealer.

 

[JLM]

Instead of just taxing pot sales. I wager they will lose money and the taxpayer will have to bail them out AGAIN.

The Liberals can't even manage a lemonade stand, much less compete with the black market.

As distasteful as I find Justin to be (not overly bright) he obviously has a minion or two who can probably manage a lemonade stand quite well. If you've been paying attention to the news you would know the country's fortunes have been prospering the past few months and employment figures are up considerably! With your limited talent I think you would do well to take a humbler approach to things political.

 

[justlooking]

Correct me if I am wrong,

I'll bet that happens 10 times a day, minimum.

but to my knowledge Ontario plans merely to tax marijuana and regulate sales; not sell the product. In that sense marijuana will be managed like alcohol and tobacco, two products the province has handled quite well.

Well, your knowledge is about zero. The government will sell directly, by a dope version of the LCBO.
As far as tobacco goes, a third of cigarettes in Ontario are illegal. That's not 'handling it well'.
Alcohol is a different matter, getting a big enough distillery going for commercial sizes would be very difficult to hide.

But your idea that Wynne will handle dope like smokes, well, that's just laughable.
What is it, is it blind partisan hackery, or mental retardation with you, Mr. Ihavethefactsoyoushouldbeready ?
Zero facts.
Zero knowledge.
:lol:

 

[AMKiller]

As distasteful as I find Justin to be (not overly bright) he obviously has a minion or two who can probably manage a lemonade stand quite well. If you've been paying attention to the news you would know the country's fortunes have been prospering the past few months and employment figures are up considerably! With your limited talent I think you would do well to take a humbler approach to things political.

I ain't talking about the Feds, I'm referring to the Ontario Liberals who've shown they only commit boondoggle after boondoggle.

Correct me if I am wrong, but to my knowledge Ontario plans merely to tax marijuana and regulate sales; not sell the product. In that sense marijuana will be managed like alcohol and tobacco, two products the province has handled quite well.

You're wrong.

 

[Bar Sinister]

I ain't talking about the Feds, I'm referring to the Ontario Liberals who've shown they only commit boondoggle after boondoggle.


You're wrong.

Perhaps they do. I don't live there, but the question is would a different government handle the sale of tobacco and alcohol any differently?

I'll bet that happens 10 times a day, minimum.




Well, your knowledge is about zero. The government will sell directly, by a dope version of the LCBO.
As far as tobacco goes, a third of cigarettes in Ontario are illegal. That's not 'handling it well'.
Alcohol is a different matter, getting a big enough distillery going for commercial sizes would be very difficult to hide.

But your idea that Wynne will handle dope like smokes, well, that's just laughable.
What is it, is it blind partisan hackery, or mental retardation with you, Mr. Ihavethefactsoyoushouldbeready ?
Zero facts.
Zero knowledge.
:lol:

Your post contains the usual lack of content. I note that as usual you do not cite any precise figures to back up your assertions or provide any sources so I will assume that my original point is valid and yours is just the usual blowing out your backside.

And your point about illegal tobacco simply backs up my original post in another thread. Thanks for agreeing with me.

And just in case you don't understand how crown corporations work the LCBO works independently of the government just like any private corporation. It also takes in almost 2 billion dollars a year in revenue, which seems to me to be an impressive indication of success. Possibly even more revenue could be generated by selling off the assets of the LCBO, however, that would remove it from provincial control.

 

[justlooking]

Your post contains the usual lack of content. I note that as usual you do not cite any precise figures

Really. OK, I am going to have so much fun with that in the future. :lol:


Since you are too lazy, too stupid, or too afraid of outing yourself as a moron, here you go:


https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...in-ontario-are-contraband-study-suggests.html
Illegal smokes on the rise in Ontario | Ontario | News | Toronto Sun
1 in 3 Cigarettes Sold in Ontario are Contraband
Chris Selley: Ontario
Illegal tobacco
https://www.sootoday.com/local-news/sault-declared-ontarios-contraband-cigarette-capital-476819
https://torontolife.com/city/ncact-sponsored-1/

I will assume

Oh, by all means, continue making an ass of yourself. :lol:

And just in case you don't understand how crown corporations work the LCBO works independently of the government just like any private corporation.

Really, does it now ?
So, how does one get on the board of LCBO ? Independent my ass. :lol:

And since you think so highly of LCBO, hows about you provide some comparisons with a lesser restricted area, say Alberta.
You can compare price, selection, customer service, profitability, things like that.

BS says, I love my government monopoloy, government does everything just the bestest !

:lol:

 

[Bar Sinister]

Really. OK, I am going to have so much fun with that in the future. :lol:


Since you are too lazy, too stupid, or too afraid of outing yourself as a moron, here you go:


https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...in-ontario-are-contraband-study-suggests.html
Illegal smokes on the rise in Ontario | Ontario | News | Toronto Sun
1 in 3 Cigarettes Sold in Ontario are Contraband
Chris Selley: Ontario
Illegal tobacco
https://www.sootoday.com/local-news/sault-declared-ontarios-contraband-cigarette-capital-476819
https://torontolife.com/city/ncact-sponsored-1/



Oh, by all means, continue making an ass of yourself. :lol:


Really, does it now ?
So, how does one get on the board of LCBO ? Independent my ass. :lol:

And since you think so highly of LCBO, hows about you provide some comparisons with a lesser restricted area, say Alberta.
You can compare price, selection, customer service, profitability, things like that.


:lol:

Thanks for posting all those links to articles I had already researched. I didn't bother with them since they were not relevant to my original post which was that tobacco and alcohol sales in Ontario have been handled adequately by the government. The fact that many people break the law regarding the buying of tobacco has nothing to do with that fact. It does however support my position that only allowing a few large companies to sell cannabis products will not eliminate the illegal sale of the product. And are you suggesting that those appointed to crown corporations are part of a corrupt practice? If so provide evidence to that effect.

As for Alberta, it has nothing to do with my original post. I can tell you that the original privatization of the ALCB was one riddled with favoritism with little or no effort to actually sell its assets at anything close to their real value. In fact many liquor stores were sold off to supporters of the PCs at rates as low as 10 cents on the dollar. Since that time very little has changed for the average alcohol user. There is a little more selection, and hours are better, but the price of the product is now even higher and there have been multiple incidents of sales to minors.

BTW I usually find that those who use insults when they reply to one of my posts do so because they are unsure of their facts or simply don't know an intelligent way to post a reply. Reply to me politely and I will respond in the same. And just in case you think I started the animosity between us check out your very first reply to my OP and check out my OP. Note the lack of name - calling.

 

[JLM]

Is the mentality of the entire country evolved around Pot? Were f**ked!

 

[petros]

It always has, now it's not taboo to talk about it.

The SK the Govt is doing a survey to ask residents for their input on sales, restrictions, prevention, public safety et etc.

They already said they weren't going to tax the snot out of it to make the black market redundant.

 

[justlooking]

Thanks for posting all those links to articles I had already researched. I didn't bother with them since they were not relevant to my original post which was that tobacco and alcohol sales in Ontario have been handled adequately by the government. The fact that many people break the law regarding the buying of tobacco has nothing to do with that fact.

If you consider a 1/3 fail rate as successful, well then there's nothing that can help you
.
I think the dope fail rate will be even higher, after taxes and corporate profits make the price in Ontario prohibitively high,
and most people will keep using their normal dealers. Yes, you can maybe get the rich university professor to buy his dope
at the Dope Store, but that's about it.

And I imagine you'll be back to launching personal attacks against me soon enough.

I find the ones who try to moralize at the point they have lost the argument are usually the
biggest two faced hypocrites about such things.

 

[Bar Sinister]

If you consider a 1/3 fail rate as successful, well then there's nothing that can help you
.
I think the dope fail rate will be even higher, after taxes and corporate profits make the price in Ontario prohibitively high,
and most people will keep using their normal dealers. Yes, you can maybe get the rich university professor to buy his dope
at the Dope Store, but that's about it.

And I imagine you'll be back to launching personal attacks against me soon enough.

I find the ones who try to moralize at the point they have lost the argument are usually the
biggest two faced hypocrites about such things.

Then how about a 100% fail rate? Speeding is against the law, but almost everyone does it. Does that mean our speeding laws have failed? The fact that people buy tobacco illegally in Ontario has nothing to do with government other than the fact that people are trying to evade taxes. And what do tobacco sales have to do with the issue anyway? It is sold through privately owned vendors, not by government.

And as I said you are agreeing with me regarding illegal sales. I posted several days ago that the Ontario government was making a mistake by limiting the number of vendors.

Regarding personal attacks I reply in kind. Accept the fact that as well informed as you think you are there may be others who do not agree with you. I welcome intelligent debate, but if you want to get into a slanging match I am quite able to more than hold my own.

 

[Danbones]

The Ontario government dropped the tobacco prices to drive the boot leggers out of business.
Once they were gone, they jacked it right back up sky high.

Only the reserves sell tax free tobacco now and IF you are caught reselling smokes off rez, the fines are HUGE.

 

[JLM]

Then how about a 100% fail rate? Speeding is against the law, but almost everyone does it. Does that mean our speeding laws have failed?

I guess there is no question that they have ultimately and indirectly failed. The failure mainly lies with lack of enforcement and penalties that are too lenient. But anyway that is another subject but it does high light the fact that Gov't's role with the legalization of pot is scary to say the least. That is one area (unlike most other stuff the Gov't. gets its nose into) where Gov't has to play the role of watch dog. Of course they'll f**k it up like everything else they try to manage, which brings you back to the fact pot should not be legalized. Justin has a dozen far larger issues on his plate that so far he is incapable of managing. He can't even manage his own expense account while on holidays!

 

[TenPenny]

If you consider a 1/3 fail rate as successful, well then there's nothing that can help you
.

A 1/3 success rate makes you a superstar in baseball.