The Flotilla....IDF Actions Validated!
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His arguments were already dealt with. Objective people, with valid arguments, don't condone the murder of innocent women and children.
Trying to rebuild that facade I see.
And Bears.
You have yet to actually refute anything in the provided sources. Just dismiss the source.
No one accused you of going out of your way.
There's those illusions of adequacy.
I agree, you should try doing better.
The troll is the one that has failed to answer several questions, dismisses links without ever refuting the content of the link and condones the murder of innocent women and children.
For someone who cries a lot, you sure do make a perfectly good hypocrite of yourself.
HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/511291
read the article, but I especially LOVE this part:
In April, Vittorio Arrigoni, a extremely radical promoter of Palestinian rights, and an anti-Islamist, was murdered by ISLAMISTS in GAZA. These loonies are even crazier than Hamas........
If Israel sank these ships at sea, they would be doing humanity a favour. Natural selection does not favour those who wish destruction of their own.
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/511291
read the article, but I especially LOVE this part:
OMG these people are stupid!
In April, Vittorio Arrigoni, a extremely radical promoter of Palestinian rights, and an anti-Islamist, was murdered by ISLAMISTS in GAZA. These loonies are even crazier than Hamas........
If Israel sank these ships at sea, they would be doing humanity a favour. Natural selection does not favour those who wish destruction of their own.
this video shows IDF soldiers executing subdued and unarmed civilians.
Apparent execution by Israeli soldiers on board Mavi Marmara - YouTube
Documentary by one of the reporters on the Mavi Marmara:
Mavi Marmara: The Inside Story (Part 1) - YouTube
Did the IDF Execute Mavi Marmara Victims?
Shot in the Back
by DAVE LINDORFF
You want to know why we need independent journalism, and why those of you who are reading this article need to support the publication in which it is appearing and the article in which it originally appeared? Because if you rely for your news on the US corporate media, whether ad-supported or underwriter-supported, you won’t learn that Furkan Dogan, the 19-year-old American citizen slain by Israeli commandos in the raid on the Gaza-bound flotilla May 31, was shot in the back and in the back of the head, as well as multiple times in the face.
This is the conclusion of the autopsy conducted by the Turkish Council of Forensic Medicine, which also did autopsies on the eight other Turkish citizens killed in the Israeli raid on the Mavi Marmara ferry and five other smaller boats in the so-called Freedom Flotilla. Of the other eight dead, the medical examiners found that five had been shot in the back, or in the back of the head.
This critically important information has not appeared in US news reports. Some American news organizations have left out the autopsy information entirely from their reports as of Saturday. CNN, in its report on Friday, did note that five of the nine were shot in the head, and at close range, but the all-important fact that most of the victims were shot from behind was left out. ABC had the same information on Thursday, again without mentioning the shots from behind. In its article on Friday, the NY Times had yet to even name Dogan, the American victim, much less mention the bullets that hit him or how he was shot.
And yet, if you’re trying to establish what happened on that ship, the direction of the firing, not just the number of bullets, or the distance from which they were fired, is crucial...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2010/06/07/shot-in-the-back/
Apparent execution by Israeli soldiers on board Mavi Marmara - YouTube
Documentary by one of the reporters on the Mavi Marmara:
Mavi Marmara: The Inside Story (Part 1) - YouTube
Did the IDF Execute Mavi Marmara Victims?
Shot in the Back
by DAVE LINDORFF
You want to know why we need independent journalism, and why those of you who are reading this article need to support the publication in which it is appearing and the article in which it originally appeared? Because if you rely for your news on the US corporate media, whether ad-supported or underwriter-supported, you won’t learn that Furkan Dogan, the 19-year-old American citizen slain by Israeli commandos in the raid on the Gaza-bound flotilla May 31, was shot in the back and in the back of the head, as well as multiple times in the face.
This is the conclusion of the autopsy conducted by the Turkish Council of Forensic Medicine, which also did autopsies on the eight other Turkish citizens killed in the Israeli raid on the Mavi Marmara ferry and five other smaller boats in the so-called Freedom Flotilla. Of the other eight dead, the medical examiners found that five had been shot in the back, or in the back of the head.
This critically important information has not appeared in US news reports. Some American news organizations have left out the autopsy information entirely from their reports as of Saturday. CNN, in its report on Friday, did note that five of the nine were shot in the head, and at close range, but the all-important fact that most of the victims were shot from behind was left out. ABC had the same information on Thursday, again without mentioning the shots from behind. In its article on Friday, the NY Times had yet to even name Dogan, the American victim, much less mention the bullets that hit him or how he was shot.
And yet, if you’re trying to establish what happened on that ship, the direction of the firing, not just the number of bullets, or the distance from which they were fired, is crucial...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2010/06/07/shot-in-the-back/
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As far as one can tell, the blockade is legal. If there are elements helping
those opposed to the government or occupation then they deserve what
they get. After all despite the protests from time to time America has a
blockade of Cuba and so it goes.
The other problem we have today is the fact we don't have credible news
people anymore. Instead of the story, they are using the situation more for
entertainment which allows them to tell you their story instead of the real
story. Hell I'm an old newsman and I have to find different sources to
ascertain the truth. The next problem is, the media outlets copy each other
and parrot the main phrase until its automatically believed by half thinking
viewers.
Its time we treated the news with more respect and a serious approach, it
would lead to the profession having more respect. I get upset when I see
people saying Fox is a right wing distortion, it is of course, but go to NBC
and the other side is distorted over there. We need the story as it is no bias
no bull and we're not getting that anymore. Not with Israel or Syria or
anywhere else.
those opposed to the government or occupation then they deserve what
they get. After all despite the protests from time to time America has a
blockade of Cuba and so it goes.
The other problem we have today is the fact we don't have credible news
people anymore. Instead of the story, they are using the situation more for
entertainment which allows them to tell you their story instead of the real
story. Hell I'm an old newsman and I have to find different sources to
ascertain the truth. The next problem is, the media outlets copy each other
and parrot the main phrase until its automatically believed by half thinking
viewers.
Its time we treated the news with more respect and a serious approach, it
would lead to the profession having more respect. I get upset when I see
people saying Fox is a right wing distortion, it is of course, but go to NBC
and the other side is distorted over there. We need the story as it is no bias
no bull and we're not getting that anymore. Not with Israel or Syria or
anywhere else.
I think news media needs murder, meyhem, blood and guts to justify its existence. It's a sad state of affairs when feel-good won't sell a story
I agree that most aspects of the Israeli blockade of Gaza is legal... Certainly Israel has the right to block arms or anything which has a military purpose. Blocking building materials is debatable. But Israel cannot legally interfere with the delivery of international humanitarian food and medical aid. Israel only has the right to inspect for contraband. Instead they confiscate humanitarian food and medical aid.
The videos above support eye witness accounts that the IDF executed some of the activists.
Baloney.
You can't see what the soldiers are kicking, but yeah, it is probably somebody. I guess they shouldn't attack them with knives, guns, and steel bars.
The "shooting" is farcical.............I am pretty familiar with every firearm used by any modern military, and THAT thing is none of them....no magazine, I have no idea what the soldier is doing with the weapon.....I strongly suspect it is a paintball gun....like the ones the guys had on the patrol boat in the former video that "proved" the Israelis fired first.
I can categorically tell you this....it is NOT any 9mm.
All the dead on the ship were killed with 9mm handguns.
The only long guns the Israelis had on board were paintball guns.
This vid is lies and BS.
Oh.....and the vid doesn't play, you need to search for it on youtube.
Apparently, Egypt wasn't too keen on allowing the transfer of 'building materials' (aka, materials for making bombs) either.
How come you're not deriding Egypt for the exact same actions?
Yes, I saw that video too - they were in the midst of having a bake sale, right before the puppet show started, when the IDF straffed the ship with napalm and later boarded to bludgeon the survivors to death with the 'building materials' that were on board.
I am still waiting for EAO to post anything regarding the conflict that is not a judgement against Israel.
The Emperors new clothes fit well eh?
The Emperors new clothes fit well eh?
That is the nature of news these days there are too many channels trying to make news
out of passing interest sprinkled with death and destruction. We don't see the real cost
of anything and we are in a who cares, state. That allows governments at home to ignore
the people and do as they please.
In places like Israel and Syria they are on the front line of the news cycle and that in turn
ramps up everyone from activists, the crazies and the bleeding hearts. The rational
people with possible solutions are left on the sidelines, because we would want well thought
out solutions with some give and take. After all a negotiated settlement doesn't have death
and violence and that's pretty boring right. Like I said real news people are scarce to non
existent now a days.
out of passing interest sprinkled with death and destruction. We don't see the real cost
of anything and we are in a who cares, state. That allows governments at home to ignore
the people and do as they please.
In places like Israel and Syria they are on the front line of the news cycle and that in turn
ramps up everyone from activists, the crazies and the bleeding hearts. The rational
people with possible solutions are left on the sidelines, because we would want well thought
out solutions with some give and take. After all a negotiated settlement doesn't have death
and violence and that's pretty boring right. Like I said real news people are scarce to non
existent now a days.
lol exactly, so much BS and people just lap it up like ice cream. Israel not only did not block food and medicine, it provided it! lol And building materials were allowed to enter as long as they went under UN supervision.
So many lies.
Gaza flotilla raid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A good account..........
Notice all wounds on the passengers were inflicted with 9mms. Also notice fired cases were found on the ship that did not match any cartridge used by the IDF.
A good account..........
Notice all wounds on the passengers were inflicted with 9mms. Also notice fired cases were found on the ship that did not match any cartridge used by the IDF.
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Now you are letting truth interfere with a perfectly good propaganda mission by terrorist supporters. oh the shame.
I expect the activist version of events is one sided, just like I expect the Israeli version of events to be one sided. Many people are only aware of the IDF version of events. In order to have a balanced viewpoint, people should consider both sides of the event , so I posted a link to a documentary made by one of the activists.
I am certain that the first video released by the IDF was highly edited and deliberately deceptive. The IDF released video does not show the events before the IDF soldiers were attacked or the subsequent events when the activists were killed. Without seeing all the evidence, its pretty hard to judge who did what to whom.
If you are looking for information which portrays Israel in the best possible light, try reading the news. My purpose is to post information not reported by the news or commented on by our political leaders.
The next time a major incident occurs involving Israel and one of their many adversaries, I recommend you evaluate the reporting. Did the news consult all sides equally? Does the report cast judgement? Does the report question the validity of Israeli claims.
If you had as much skepticism of our news and political leaders as you do of me, you might realize that our news and political leaders are not objective and are behaving like extensions of pro-Israel propaganda efforts.
So I'm not even saying you should believe what I wrote or my referenced links without skepticism. ON the contrary, I recommend you listen to all sides with equal levels of skepticism.
As soon as you realized you had been caught posting a phony video you start backing up, better get a beeper for that.
I do not live in a vacuum and have most likely many more years of learning on this earth than you having been a voracious and liberal reader for over 60 years, so am well aware, not only of the propaganda involved on both sides of any issue, but also the taste of used oats in my teeth.
That's why it doesn't. As JTF already posted, if it isn't from Israel, it must be delivered by a recognized aid agency.
We went over this when it happened. I posted pictures from the manufacturers of the pepperbag guns, they matched what was being called "Uzi's" to a T.
There is nothing to be left to chance in the mission to demonize Israel. If you can't find a smoking gun, the dust from a pepperbag will suffice.