The devotion to God alone
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You can't be serious! Then again, anyone who doesn't know tires need air to keep from being flat wouldn't know anything about Quick-Start (ETHER)
Ether is nasty stuff; very explosive. Had to rebuild a diesel tractor engine once because someone over used that stuff. If everything in the universe is floating around in ether, one cosmic fart and we are all toast, including god!
Quite right JLM, we don’t know if they have it right, scientists don’t have the certainty of religious fanatics. Besides, any theory that has widespread acceptance in scientific community today may be disproved tomorrow. A scientific theory can never be proved, it can only be disproved.
However, scientists approach the matter logically, rationally and in a clearly defined way. I would much rather be wrong with the scientists than be right with a religious fanatic, of Christian or Muslim variety.
Not only that, we would all have been dead a long time ago, ether is very toxic (besides being highly inflammable).
Anyway, eanassir was not talking about that kind of ether, Cliffy. He was talking about a mythical substance that is all pervading; that fills up all the empty spaces in the universe.
It is a concept discarded by the scientists a long time ago. Evidently some Muslim scholars still believe in it.
Ether -- from Eric Weisstein's World of Physics
This is different from the ether one comes across in Chemistry.
...as if we didn't know that. Aren't you going to correct Spade about his island ... or if he exists....
Well gosh-dang it, it must! I have an 'ether-net' connection on my computer but I've been afraid to use it in case I get plugged into something weird...:-|
And would you rather we submit to the musings of Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly? You constantly put forward his writings as the be all and end all - you are telling us to view HIS writings as what we should believe. Quite frankly, I'll go with the eyeglass maker Spinoza, rather than the photographer Al-Hilly. He makes more sense.
In the Quran, it is said the moon and the sun each does float (or lit. swim) along in a specific orbit.
So the swimming or floating cannot be in the vacuum, but in a medium like the water, the air or the ether here.
God –be exalted –said in the Quran 36: 39
So the swimming or floating cannot be in the vacuum, but in a medium like the water, the air or the ether here.
God –be exalted –said in the Quran 36: 39
وَكُلٌّ فِي فَلَكٍ يَسْبَحُونَ
The explanation:
(But each [of the sun, moon and earth] is swimming along into a [specific] orbit.)
Of course, the swimming cannot take place unless in a liquid medium or what is similar to liquid such as the air and gas, …etc.
So all the celestial objects swim in the ether.
This ether is very transparent like the air; its particles are far more smaller and finer than those of the air; and for this reason, it cannot be seen by material creatures; moreover, it cannot be touched or perceived.
It is possible only for spiritual creatures
angels, genies or demons and human souls) to see, touch and perceive the ether.
http://www.quran-ayat.com/u/index.htm#The_Ethereal_Heavens
(But each [of the sun, moon and earth] is swimming along into a [specific] orbit.)
Of course, the swimming cannot take place unless in a liquid medium or what is similar to liquid such as the air and gas, …etc.
So all the celestial objects swim in the ether.
This ether is very transparent like the air; its particles are far more smaller and finer than those of the air; and for this reason, it cannot be seen by material creatures; moreover, it cannot be touched or perceived.
It is possible only for spiritual creatures
angels, genies or demons and human souls) to see, touch and perceive the ether.http://www.quran-ayat.com/u/index.htm#The_Ethereal_Heavens
This ether is very transparent like the air; its particles are far more smaller and finer than those of the air; and for this reason, it cannot be seen by material creatures; moreover, it cannot be touched or perceived.
It is possible only for spiritual creatures
http://www.quran-ayat.com/u/index.htm#The_Ethereal_Heavens
So let me get this straight. Ether is a liquid that only be seen, touched and perceived by spiritual creatures (incidentally, is a spiritual creature somebody who is high on spirits?).
So what you are saying is that ether exists, but scientists have no way of detecting its existence, that we are supposed to take the word of Muslim Imams, Ayatollahs and Mullahs that it exists.
Well, I say the same thing when Creationists tell us that world was created 5000 years ago in six days. When it comes to science, I much prefer to believe the scientists rather than believe the Fundamentalist Christian preachers (when it comes to evolution) or Fundamentalist Mullahs and Ayatollahs (that ether exists).
I'm thinkin' Mohamed was on some really good Hashish or Amanita Muscaria.
That is why I asked eanassir, if a spiritual being is somebody who is high on spirits (since only he can see the ether, nobody else can).
No-one's answered my question yet. Quite a while ago I asked what would be the point in devoting oneself to 1 single god that is immature and downright nasty, when one can worship any number of nice ones? Eannasir hasn't yet. All he keeps doing is regurgitating Al-Hilly's version of something Muhamud wrote about there being only one god. That's illogical to the max, IMO.
That is because fundamentalism is fundamentally wrong. As far as I'm concerned we, individually, are the highest authority for ourselves on this planet. The results of praying to you higher self will give you equal results to praying to any god, so why bother looking past Yourself. If the war god of the desert is such a petulant, childish tyrant why bother with the prick. I have not changed my mind since my teens - if god stood in front of me and demanded I prostrate myself before him, I would give him a good swift kick in the balls.
I still haven't had anyone answer my question. lol
What's wrong with the nicer gods? Are people masochists that they have to worship the ones that are rectal cavities?
I like Mother Earth/Gaia and some of the minor ones like Coyote, Bear and Hawk. I also like some of the Wiccan gods and goddesses, nature spirits. Make a whole lot more sense to me. I know a lot of people who prefer aboriginal and the Celtic spirituality which are not all that much much different. I think if you look around there are quite a few people getting back to the Earth based practices than is normally thought because they are not out there pushing it on anybody. Normally they just go about their own business.