The devotion to God alone

[eanassir]

No-one's answered my question yet. Quite a while ago I asked what would be the point in devoting oneself to 1 single god that is immature and downright nasty, when one can worship any number of nice ones? Eannasir hasn't yet. All he keeps doing is regurgitating Al-Hilly's version of something Muhamud wrote about there being only one god. That's illogical to the max, IMO.

Is God the One the Dominant better or are many gods fabricated: nice or otherwise.

This means: the many gods are false and invented with no actual reality.

About such false gods, God Almighty and the Creator did not reveal in any heavenly book, that people should worship any such false invented gods like the stone and stars.

Such idols and false gods, apart from God the Creator, are only names that people named without any reality.

This is included in the Quran soora 12 about the words of Prophet Joseph to his companions in the jail.

 

[Cliffy]

Is God the One the Dominant better or are many gods fabricated: nice or otherwise.

This means: the many gods are false and invented with no actual reality.

About such false gods, God Almighty and the Creator did not reveal in any heavenly book, that people should worship any such false invented gods like the stone and stars.

Such idols and false gods, apart from God the Creator, are only names that people named without any reality.

This is included in the Quran soora 12 about the words of Prophet Joseph to his companions in the jail.

Since you were not around 1400 years ago and didn't know Mohamed personally, you have no way of know if Mohamed made up this Allah guy or not. You only have his word that he speaks the truth, which to me, is a ridiculous thing to do, that is to trust the word of someone who has been dead for 1400 years. You also have no way of knowing that any of the other gods and goddesses are true or false.

The creator left the channels of communication open. If you want to know the truth, go to the source. Books were written by men. They have no intrinsic value other than being sign posts pointing the way. Your belief in the Quran and Mohamed is bordering on idolatry.

 

[AnnaG]

Is God the One the Dominant better or are many gods fabricated: nice or otherwise.

If one is "fabricated", they all are. IMO, there are all kinds of gods and not one of them pays any attention to humankind or even what we do on Earth.

This means: the many gods are false and invented with no actual reality.

Nonsense. There nothing that says any god is more or less real than any other god. All you have a a book with human words written by human being that says so. That is not evidence. That is simply talk and talk is cheap.

About such false gods, God Almighty and the Creator did not reveal in any heavenly book, that people should worship any such false invented gods like the stone and stars.

Such idols and false gods, apart from God the Creator, are only names that people named without any reality.

Nonsense. There's nothing other than human words that say that your god is the only one. A human said that your god is the only god. Other humans have their own gods and have just as much evidence for their gods as you have for yours.

This is included in the Quran soora 12 about the words of Prophet Joseph to his companions in the jail.

I don't give a crap about the Quran. It was written by human hands therefore it is only human words. And humans have lied before.

 

[Spade]

Nonsense. There's nothing other than human words that say that your god is the only one. A human said that your god is the only god. Other humans have their own gods and have just as much evidence for their gods as you have for yours.

I don't give a crap about the Quran. It was written by human hands therefore it is only human words. And humans have lied before.

I've never lied to you, Anna. By the way, ...

 

[AnnaG]

I've never lied to you, Anna. By the way, ...

Oh, good.

 

[eanassir]

Since you were not around 1400 years ago and didn't know Mohamed personally, you have no way of know if Mohamed made up this Allah guy or not. You only have his word that he speaks the truth, which to me, is a ridiculous thing to do, that is to trust the word of someone who has been dead for 1400 years. You also have no way of knowing that any of the other gods and goddesses are true or false.

The creator left the channels of communication open. If you want to know the truth, go to the source. Books were written by men. They have no intrinsic value other than being sign posts pointing the way. Your belief in the Quran and Mohamed is bordering on idolatry.

God the Creator is Eternal; so in case Mohammed died 1400 years ago (as had Moses died before and all the prophets and apostles) but God is Alive: does not die and is Everlasting.

The first Caliph ruled after Mohammed said when some people apostatized:
"Whoso worshipped Mohammed, Mohammed now has died;
but whoso worships God, let all know: God is Alive and does not die."

 

[eanassir]

If one is "fabricated", they all are. IMO, there are all kinds of gods and not one of them pays any attention to humankind or even what we do on Earth.

Nonsense. ....That is simply talk and talk is cheap.

Nonsense. ....

I don't give a crap about the Quran. It was written by human hands therefore it is only human words.

God Almighty and the Creator is not fabricated.
The nonsense is your many gods; and the talk about idols and idolatry is the cheap.

You are fanatic about your people; so you defend their idolatry, and while the idolatry is obviously the falsehood, your people will not avail you anything against God Almighty in the afterlife; and moreover, in this life God is the Almighty, no one can escape His might.

The Quran is the word of God Almighty revealed from God and had to be written by human hands just like the Torah revealed to Moses and the Gospel revealed to Jesus.

 

[AnnaG]

God the Creator is Eternal; so in case Mohammed died 1400 years ago (as had Moses died before and all the prophets and apostles) but God is Alive: does not die and is Everlasting.

The first Caliph ruled after Mohammed said when some people apostatized:
"Whoso worshipped Mohammed, Mohammed now has died;
but whoso worships God, let all know: God is Alive and does not die."

All gods "die" eventually. We hardly ever here of Ra, Wodin, Poseidon, etc. anymore. Once people become educated and realize that gods don't matter, your god will die, too.

 

[Downhome_Woman]

God Almighty and the Creator is not fabricated.
The nonsense is your many gods; and the talk about idols and idolatry is the cheap.

You are fanatic about your people; so you defend their idolatry, and while the idolatry is obviously the falsehood, your people will not avail you anything against God Almighty in the afterlife; and moreover, in this life God is the Almighty, no one can escape His might.

The Quran is the word of God Almighty revealed from God and had to be written by human hands just like the Torah revealed to Moses and the Gospel revealed to Jesus.

I believe that the god/goddess is not fabricated, but the rest?
'You are fanatic about your people; so you defend' your god'

"the idolatry is obviously the falsehood, your people will not avail you anything against God Almighty in the afterlife; and moreover, in this life God is the Almighty, no one can escape His might"
-sorry - all you have is the word or your prophet, and like every other religion, the proof is in the pudding. I see nothing in the theology of Islam or the behavior of its adherents to lead me to believe that Islam is the penultimate of all religions.
Just because your prophet says, your mentor says or you say that Islam is the final word or God - it means nothing.I can point to a multitude of Jewish law and belief that would tell me that Judaism is the right path. I can do the same of Christianity and by the way, I can do the same of the Celtic religion of Ireland.
If 'legislated' behavior is based on what the messages that deities give to their followers, then Islam is just one amongst many.
I know that your prophet decried female infanticide, but the rights of women have been codified in Judaism for thousands of years. Jesus said 'do unto others as you would have done to yourself' - that was also a rabbinical saying.And don't even get me going on the rights of women in Ireland in the pre-Christian era - Brehon Law was awesome - and it was tied in with their religion.
You want to talk about 'false gods and idols and idolatry? I'd rather talk about a compassionate deity who had no problem with disciplining humanity but also tempering it with justice.
I look at your Islam and all I see is a religion that tells me that I am less because of my gender and I should be just be happy to be less and to let a male decide my fate. But maybe it's not actually your prophet, but the people that came after him and decided to 'interpret' his life to suit what they wanted? Just a thought.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Almost since Islam's beginnings there have been bloody feuds between different sects of Islam. There are many inter-Muslim accusations of profanity and heresy, and deeds of horrible violence committed by Muslims against other Muslims. The schism between Shia and Sunni is only the best known of these bloody feuds, there are others. It was just the first one, a dispute over the succession of authority among the Prophet's descendants, and pretty closely parallels the Catholic-Protestant schism over papal authority in Christianity. Muslims can't agree among themselves what is correct and what's heresy, and they're still murdering each other over it. Judaism and Christianity have for the most part got past that level of folly, but Islam hasn't had its reformation and adapted itself to the modern world yet.

Eanassir, if you'd read something besides the Quran you might perceive that the Quran and Islam are almost entirely plagiarized from earlier Christian and Jewish texts, have nothing unique or original to recommend them, and cannot justify the grandiose claims they make for themselves. If you're going to insist on coming here and trying to peddle Islam's claimed truths, you could make a good start by reconciling all of Islam's schismatic sects.

 

[vinod1975]

Almost since Islam's beginnings there have been bloody feuds between different sects of Islam. There are many inter-Muslim accusations of profanity and heresy, and deeds of horrible violence committed by Muslims against other Muslims. The schism between Shia and Sunni is only the best known of these bloody feuds, there are others. It was just the first one, a dispute over the succession of authority among the Prophet's descendants, and pretty closely parallels the Catholic-Protestant schism over papal authority in Christianity. Muslims can't agree among themselves what is correct and what's heresy, and they're still murdering each other over it. Judaism and Christianity have for the most part got past that level of folly, but Islam hasn't had its reformation and adapted itself to the modern world yet.

Eanassir, if you'd read something besides the Quran you might perceive that the Quran and Islam are almost entirely plagiarized from earlier Christian and Jewish texts, have nothing unique or original to recommend them, and cannot justify the grandiose claims they make for themselves. If you're going to insist on coming here and trying to peddle Islam's claimed truths, you could make a good start by reconciling all of Islam's schismatic sects.

This topic is going beyond imaginations and words here are becoming too scary

 

[Dexter Sinister]

This topic is going beyond imaginations and words here are becoming too scary

No, it's not beyond imagination, you just have to study Judaism's and Christianity's texts, and a little history, to see how derivative and unoriginal Islam is. And if that's scary to you... well, maybe that's because it should be.

 

[vinod1975]

No, it's not beyond imagination, you just have to study Judaism's and Christianity's texts, and a little history, to see how derivative and unoriginal Islam is. And if that's scary to you... well, maybe that's because it should be.

Hope I can come up

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I hope so too.

 

[petros]

no, you are dead wrong.

The most recent book of god was brought down to joseph smith.

A far more credible recipient than the terrorist, bigamist, illterate child-abuser you believe in.

lmfao

 

[Cliffy]

This topic is going beyond imaginations and words here are becoming too scary

The truth is not scary, it is liberating. Every culture in every geographical location in every time frame has had its religious beliefs and spiritual paths. All relate to the culture and time of their origins. How else could people relate to the divine? But for some strange reason, the adherents of the Christians and Muslims decided that theirs were superior to all others and went off to convert the world to their way of worship, forcefully is necessary.

This is where the objection to Islam stems from. Christians have stopped forcing their beliefs on others at gun point but the Muslims still think that it is their duty to convert the infidels or kill them. Like Dexter says, they are even killing each other because they can't agree with each other. The 2500 different Christian sects may bad mouth each other but rarely kill each other.

I have studied many religious and spiritual philosophies but until eanassir came into my life with his interpretation of the Quran, I was not very educated on Islam. Now I know, because of his writing here, that Islam is a dangerous religion, that it promotes hatred and intolerance of others and their beliefs. Although I do not adhere to the beliefs of any religion because I think all religions are dangerous, I have now been educated by eanassir to know that Islam is the most dangerous of them all.

 

[eanassir]

All gods "die" eventually. We hardly ever here of Ra, Wodin, Poseidon, etc. anymore. Once people become educated and realize that gods don't matter, your god will die, too.

Ra is false god; it is the sun worshipped in ancient Egypt; in addition to all other false gods and idols like the Baalim, Astaroth and Tur and many other idols.But God is All-living, and He will make you die sooner, and you cannot escape that.

 

[Cliffy]

Ra is false god; it is the sun worshipped in ancient Egypt; in addition to all other false gods and idols like the Baalim, Astaroth and Tur and many other idols.But God is All-living, and He will make you die sooner, and you cannot escape that.

Don't you mean that god will make you die at the hand of a Muslim perhaps? Your god is one nasty fellow.

 

[Spade]

Ra is false god; it is the sun worshipped in ancient Egypt; in addition to all other false gods and idols like the Baalim, Astaroth and Tur and many other idols.But God is All-living, and He will make you die sooner, and you cannot escape that.

Isn't the sun simply a symbol of the divine?

 

[VanIsle]

Isn't the sun simply a symbol of the divine?

I don't know if it's a symbol of the divine but it would be devine to see some of it. We seem about to embark on about another 40 days and 40 nights of rain. Must be something devine about that but I'm too busy to build an ark!