The Debate is better than I thought
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From this I can assume you are all for corporatizaion and globalization at all costs. You do realize that almost none of the profits from wal-mart stay in Canada, let alone you own community. So many people have lost that sense of community and responsibility to their neighbors, that's why you lock your doors and I don't, I fortunately don't need to.
I'd be willing to bet that 98% of all money going into Walmart's tills remain in Canada. Off the top there's the taxes and the managers' incomes, Walmart pays hydro, phone, heat and maintenance costs. :smile:
At all costs? No. Your distorting what I said.
We have a system of free enterprise in Canada. If mom and pop can't compete, they starve. It's reality.
I lock my doors because society is getting worse, not because I've lost sense of community. Don't be ridiculous! I'm extremely involved with my neighbors and my community.
But that's contradictory to what the top economic advisers say! Their opinion has far more weight!
LOL, I would sell my vote for a million too.
I'd say "living in a fog" has more to do with your will rather than your intelligence. People know the truth sometimes but choose to adhere to the contradictory beliefs because their so committed and in love with their ideologies. It serves them.
Exactly, I was only joking around, playing hardball.
Good.
You should pay closer attention, I said profit, not revenue. Wal-mart is actually one of the worst because it is a 100% private business, at least Home Depot is publicly traded and you and can invest and collect dividends (though most stocks are held in the US or offshore investment banks operating in tax havens) whereas Wal-mart profit goes straight to the Walton family.
It was a question, not a statement of your belief.
Think about this. If mom & pop have a reasonable business they have let's say 5 employees plus themselves so 7 people rely on that operation for their livlihood and basically every penny of that will be spent locally. If they go under and all their business goes to Wal-mart the odds of them hiring 7 new people is between slim and none and slim left town, most likely they will create 2 new positions at best if even that so you now have at least 5 people out of work and draining the economy instead of contributing to it. Also if WM expands a little to absorb that lost business they will not hire the small local contractor but will bring in out of town corporate labour who will take most of the money spent on renos out of town.
You are now left with a huge negative impact on the economy, and your community, just because you want to spend $4 for socks insted of $5. It is exactly the type of thinking you subscribe to that kills the economy. It is the local economy that holds a national economy in growth and stability, not corporatization.
Thank god for the rural areas on the Island, when it's cold I can leave my car running in the safeway parking lot without worrying about it being gone when I get back to it. I can go away for the weekend and not lock my house.
The same advisors who, while being paid millions by banks and corporations, lobbied governments to institute the policies and practices that got us into the global financial meltdown to begin with and are now lobbying and promoting policies to make their corporations and banks more profitable. Go ahead and trust them if you want..their record speaks for itself.
I'm surprised you don't recognize that smell....I know. I can smell it too.
5 people are in between jobs BUT thousands of people saved money on products. Greater benefit.
And why should I pay extra to support someone's job if it's obsolete? That sounds like socialism.
I lived on the island for most of my life. Ah the good ol' days. We never locked our doors and all your neighbors were Grandmas. How many people in your town?
As you saw on that program regarding the world economy, it's all coming to an end anyway.
In both debates (this election and last), I have found that Layton & Dueceppe were the only ones who actually confronted issues, explained themselves well and didn't beat around the bush on many matters.... while the Libs and Cons continually play the old tactics of never answering questions straight out, never presenting decent explanations or solutions and continually attacking one another's points. Sure Dueceppe and Layton attack as well, but it's never to the extent as the other goons.
People said that last time and it didn't happen.
I don't think the debate changed a damn thing.
Harper minority, on the verge of majority, but not making it.
$300 million waste of time.
Danger of a legal coup by the coalition.
Harper minority, on the verge of majority, but not making it.
$300 million waste of time.
Danger of a legal coup by the coalition.
Iggy ruled out a coalition, but then again, one of his advisors, is well acqainted with forming an 'accord', to perform th same function.
I can here the defense now..."I said I wouldn't form a coalition. I never said anything about not forming an accord."
Wording is very important.
Who cares?
I thought Ignatieff and the other two made very good points in the way Harper treated Parliament with contempt. As a partisan ragging he tolerates at his leisure rather than debate of policy by representatives of the whole country. Sad to think a party leader feels that most of the Canadians simply don't count or matter.
Again this is reflected in spending 50 million on pork barreling, calling it speeding up border crossings, Gazebo for Obama, upgraded airport costing millions that no one needed as they all landed in Toronto.
Working with the other parties to get policy though the House means that the policy must be good policy and not a partisan hack job. Otherwise the bill won't pass and the government will fall on the inevitable non confidence vote as it has every term Harper formed a government.
I would like to see a Liberal minority government to see if Mike can work with those who are willing to cooperate to pass legislation. Banks and the Oil industry don't need a tax break. Go ahead and look around to see if you can find a bank. If you can, then you know they are doing alright. With so much oil in Canada, you have to wonder why we pay so much for gas at the pumps. It's not because there is not enough oil to go around, it's because of profit taking. They know that people are going to buy the gas, there is always gas at the pumps so it's not a shortage in refineries. So why do they need tax breaks if they are making outrageous profits?
Where ever you live, go look at the small store fronts and count how many of those you see closed. That is who will create jobs and put money back into to the local economies.
If it's about the economy, then we don't need super max prisons and stealthy fighter jets. We always need an open government that isn't above accountability and transparency. Harper's Conservatives vision disagrees with that. That is why he and the Conservative party are not the right people to run the government. They are the right people to keep a Liberal minority government in check and on task along with the NDP.
Regarding the debate last night as a Liberal I can only say, Jack, Iggy, and Gille made Harper look real good for a majority.
“I would like to congratulate Mr. Harper for answering a question from a citizen for the first time during this campaign," Bloc Quebecois leader Gilles Duceppe tell Conservative Leader Stephen Harper.
Ignatief has done nothing to deserve running the government, I would rather see Layton and the NDP run it opposed to him. At least with Jack, he's consistent and not a citizen and politician of convenience like the Count.
Me bad, my post wasn't too articulate, I meant after the purchases had been paid for. Walmart was the example used. I think most retailers import some stuff from not only China, but India, Indonesia, Korea, Japan etc.
Look who's talking, I know about your Bangkok goat resort connections little man!
So what does Ignatieff have to do to run the government besides win more seats than Hitler, I mean Harper same thing?
The NDP don't have any where near the support to form the government nor does the Bloc, so the Layton point in moot.
At least Ignatieff wants to help the Canadian people unlike Hitler who wants to help the Canadian banks and oil companies. I mean with Hitler, why not just incorporate the country so he can sell off Quebec, New Brunswick, Manitoba and Toronto and lay off most of the people every where else?
Something that Ignatieff hasn't done though is lead his party into contemp of parliament, kick people out of his rallies, and fall in government what 3 times now or is it 4?
I also liked Layton's comment that we don't need more prisons, the criminals are very happy in the Senate...
So we're supposed to go with Iganteiff because he's only slightly less offensive then Harper? The liberals carry their own baggage as well, they're not exactly sparkling when it comes to conduct as a governing party. So you basically trade autocratic, contemptuous conservatives for corrupt liberals. Win win situation