The Crisis on the Border

Tecumsehsbones

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Well there will be no protests and stopping of buses here in Massachusetts. They are already arriving quietly at Hanscom AFB and Logan. Then they are being stuffed in the low income, high crime, depressed cities they are always being stuffed in.
Like the Irish and the Italians and the Poles and the Hungarians and the Lithuanians and the Greeks and the blacks before them. It's the immigrant experience.

You see... in my lock solid liberal state we got a system see. The illegals are kept well clear of our elite lily white towns and placed in poor and well gerrymandered cities. Divided equally to be ruled by our elite liberals.

Like the Irish and the Italians and the Poles and the Hungarians and the Lithuanians and the Greeks and the blacks before them.
 

BaalsTears

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Because they can, which has naught to do with what i took from Spade's theory.

That raises an ancillary question. Why can they?

That's what you get for agreeing with him, Eagle.

What was the difference between Tecumseh and Sitting Bull?

Economics; who's employing them? Can't be the Russians.

There's a convergence of interest among the political/economic elites in Mexico and Central America disposing of their unwanted populace, Big Business/Chamber of Commerce Republicans seeking slave labor, and Big Govt. Democrats seeking a docile and permanent underclass who will provide reliable votes. The impact on the American working class is catastrophic.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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The difference between Tecumseh and Sitting Bull was access to Uncle TB's patented butthurt cream. Remember...apply generously.
I'll keep it in mind if I ever get the temptation to go on the internet and declare that the U.S. is. . . pause for maximum dwamatic effect. . . DEAD TO ME!
 

Locutus

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WaPo Poll: Majority of Latinos Disapprove Of How Obama Is Handling Border Crisis…
A new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds widespread public disapproval of the way President Obama and Republicans in Congress are handling the influx of unaccompanied foreign children at the southern border as the two sides engage in a fierce debate over how to stem the crisis.

Nearly 6 out of 10 Americans are not happy with Obama’s performance in dealing with the tens of thousands of minors who have arrived from Central America in recent months, overwhelming Border Patrol stations. All told, 58 percent disapprove of his management on the issue, including 54 percent of Latinos.

The findings represent a political blow for a president who called immigration reform a top second-term priority when he was reelected two years ago with 71 percent support from Latino voters.


Poll: Obama, Republicans face broad disapproval over handling of migrant crisis - The Washington Post

 

EagleSmack

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Like the Irish and the Italians and the Poles and the Hungarians and the Lithuanians and the Greeks and the blacks before them. It's the immigrant experience.


Oh and the social services and houses that were provided. Gosh my grand parents had it good when they came here.


Oh wait... they came legally, had sponsors, and were deemed to not a potential ward of the state.
 

Locutus

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Oh and the social services and houses that were provided. Gosh my grand parents had it good when they came here.


Oh wait... they came legally, had sponsors, and were deemed to not a potential ward of the state.

that's the difference eh...the queue jumping, assumption and entitlement-seeking of most of these illegal (and possible criminal) trespassers...that's what it is.

why don't the apologists get that?
 

skookumchuck

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See, if you call 'em "illegal aliens," you can shoot 'em, imprison 'em, deport 'em, whatever.

Call 'em "refugees" and you have to try to treat 'em like human beings.

The same lame saying would apply to illegal muzzies, who, given a slightly liberal chance, would stone your *** to death lawyer boy. I do not give a damn how good they look or sound, kick their asses out of the country and let in the ones who follow the rules.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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The same lame saying would apply to illegal muzzies, who, given a slightly liberal chance, would stone your *** to death lawyer boy. I do not give a damn how good they look or sound, kick their asses out of the country and let in the ones who follow the rules.
My, aren't you just the hard man?
 

EagleSmack

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And damn it, you're ANGRY about it!


You like paying for this? You like what is going on?


Or is it just because you're a lawyer and you don't have to see it because it will be somebody else's community.


It can't last forever... the money will run out someday.
 

darkbeaver

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You like paying for this? You like what is going on?


Or is it just because you're a lawyer and you don't have to see it because it will be somebody else's community.


It can't last forever... the money will run out someday.

That's right, they\re spending the last of it outfitting your new bosses.

Am I imagining a tune called On The Border? I'll hum a bit of it for you hhmm hhhhm hummm
 

MHz

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Like the Irish and the Italians and the Poles and the Hungarians and the Lithuanians and the Greeks and the blacks before them. It's the immigrant experience.
Perhaps some of the 'disasters' that made moving here attractive was done with that very thing in mind. You forgot Australians.
At least the US has enough vacant places to house them until their homeland becomes safer. The US is also in a very good position to confiscate the bank accounts of the cartel to pay for these refugees.
In the US and worldwide taking care of refugees could become a 'growth industry'. and efficient mobile housing would be how somebody can help and create a business at the same time if the UN ends up purchasing these 'new tent cities'. In those cases the place would probably be moved back to the home of the refugee(s) that were living in it as theirs maybe part of the rubble that is left after any war. Syria and that area could use such services and Russia says 500,000 have crossed their border so some must have gone the other way also.
 

BaalsTears

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I'll keep it in mind if I ever get the temptation to go on the internet and declare that the U.S. is. . . pause for maximum dwamatic effect. . . DEAD TO ME!

I think I've gotten under your skin.

And damn it, you're ANGRY about it!

You're the one who is emotional.

My, aren't you just the hard man?

Don't attack the messenger. Deal with the message on a substantive basis.

You like paying for this? You like what is going on?


Or is it just because you're a lawyer and you don't have to see it because it will be somebody else's community.


It can't last forever... the money will run out someday.

Lawyers are able to detach their emotions. Otherwise they can't be good advocates.
 

B00Mer

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U.S. sends first planeload of moms, children back to Honduras



The first lady and her entourage were waiting. So were politicians, camera crews and aid workers in blue vests, ready to hand out suckers and balloons to toddlers pulled along by their frazzled mothers.

A chartered flight that landed here Monday was the first carrying only mothers and children deported by the U.S. as it tries to stem a wave of migration from Central America that has overwhelmed U.S. border officials. U.S. officials said there would be many more.

While Honduran officials were trying to put the best face on the process, one human rights worker termed the exodus of thousands in search of jobs or safety from rampant violence, and their forced return by the United States, “a great tragedy.”

Critics said Honduran government inaction was largely responsible and that the welcome in San Pedro Sula, a city sometimes called the murder capital of the world, was mostly a show. Despite the government's promise of job leads, a $500 stipend, psychological counseling and schooling, returning mother Angelica Galvez said she wasn't expecting much.

“They haven't helped me before,” said Galvez, 31, who was traveling with her 6-year-old daughter, Abigail. “Why should I believe them now?”

Galvez and her daughter were among the 38 Hondurans on the flight, who had been held at a U.S. detention center in Artesia, N.M. Forty people — 18 mothers, 13 girls and nine boys — had been scheduled to be on the flight, but two fell ill and didn't travel.

U.S. officials said the flight reflected their determination to stem the tide of migration. The number of women and children arriving in the U.S. from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras has skyrocketed in recent months. More than 57,000 unaccompanied minors have sought permission to remain.

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U.S. officials have long been sending back adults and some children; Monday's flight was the first to carry only mothers and children. Many of those who have headed north said that although poverty and violence pushed them to act, they had moved now because they heard that there was a new U.S. policy that made it easier for unaccompanied children or single women with at least one child to remain in the country.

In fact, only unaccompanied minors from countries that don't border the U.S. are guaranteed a chance to make their case before an immigration judge, according to U.S. law. But when single mothers started appearing with their children, border officials had no place to house them and released many with a “notice to appear” later.

“This is just the initial wave,” said an official with the Department of Homeland Security. “Our border is not open to illegal migration, and we will send recent illegal migrants back.”

Honduran First Lady Ana Garcia de Hernandez, who was at the processing center when the group arrived, has been at the forefront of the crisis, spearheading the new governmental programs she says are aimed at improving the lives of those who are sent back and giving others a reason to stay.

“They are very sad, of course,” she said of the women who arrived back in Honduras on Monday. “But we want to give them opportunities.”

At the processing center about half a mile from the airport, women and children received food, medical screenings and money. Officials kept a close watch on them, cordoning them off and away from the media as they boarded yet another bus for stops at a child welfare office, shelter and terminal.

Galvez, a single mother, said she left Honduras because she couldn't find a job.

Despite all the attention they received upon their arrival, Galvez said she didn't even receive enough money at the processing center to get her all the way home to La Ceiba — about a three-hour drive northeast of San Pedro Sula. Instead, she planned to stay the night with a family member in the city.

She and her daughter started their trek north on May 27 after family members told her there was a new U.S. law that gave people like her permission to enter the country. She walked, took a series of buses and paid criminals about $25 dollars to ride with her daughter on top of the infamous northbound freight train known as La Bestia, or the Beast.

She had no intention of sneaking into the U.S., instead giving herself up to Border Patrol officials near McAllen, Texas, she said. She never made it to her brother's home in Dallas.

“It was a dangerous trip,” she said. “I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.”

But others were still trying. More Central American migrants were crossing the Suchiate River from Guatemala into Mexico on Monday, sheltering at relief centers in southern Mexico or waiting alongside railroad tracks hoping to climb aboard a train and head to the U.S.

La Bestia had stopped running for several days while workers repaired tracks that had been vandalized. It was expected to resume late Monday or Tuesday.

“I want to keep going,” Jessica Sandoval, 30, said as she waited at a refugee shelter in Arriaga, Mexico, with her three daughters, ages 2, 8 and 11. They left La Ceiba, Honduras, 17 days ago and had been at the shelter for nearly a week.

She said her region of Honduras had become a living hell because of gangs, drug traffickers, political violence and a lack of jobs after numerous factories shut down.

Suyapa Hernandez, 33, a single mother who returned to San Pedro Sula on an earlier flight Monday, said the economy and crime led her to journey north. Hernandez said she had been mugged several times in Honduras for her phone or even pocket change.


Hernandez, who returned on a U.S.-chartered flight packed with adults, said she had no alternative but to venture to the U.S.

“The bad economy contributes to the delinquency,” she said. “I'm scared to go out on the streets, even during the day.”

San Pedro Sula is the second-largest city in a country with the highest homicide rate in the world. An assassin can be easily hired for $100 and people don't answer phone calls from unknown cellphone numbers, fearing they may be extortion demands.

Some of the city's roughest neighborhoods resemble tropical ghost towns because scores of Hondurans have fled their homes because they've had enough of the violence at the hands of two of the country's most notorious gangs, Mara Salvatrucha and Barrio 18.

So far this year in the San Pedro Sula region, there have been 594 homicides, according to the city's morgue statistics. Last year, there were a total of 778.

Hugo Ramon Maldonado, vice president for the Committee for the Protection of Human Rights in Honduras, estimates that 80% of the people emigrating from Honduras are fleeing some sort of criminality or violence, such as extortion threats from gangs or drug traffickers.


The government is largely to blame because it rarely goes after criminals, he said.

“Giving them [$500] and sending them on their way? That's not an alternative. That doesn't help,” Maldonado said.

“What I believe they are doing now is just making a political show with our returned migrants,” Maldonado said. “What is happening in this country is a great tragedy.”

U.S. sends first planeload of moms, children back to Honduras - LA Times

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Just cut aid off to these Leftist Banana Republics and watch how quickly the flow of illegals stop.