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[TenPenny]

Re: Wikileaks' Whistleblower Subjected to Inhumane Conditions

Treason is not a crime that inspires tough guy admiration or respect.....just the opposite.

I would take it, then, that you don't have much use for the American Revolutionaries? Those treasonous creeps who fought against their own king and country?

 

[Icarus27k]

Re: Wikileaks' Whistleblower Subjected to Inhumane Conditions

I got an idea. If all else fails, we could just lock Manning up for being a witch that is destroying our nation. The charges have worked before.

 

[petros]

Re: Wikileaks' Whistleblower Subjected to Inhumane Conditions

I would take it, then, that you don't have much use for the American Revolutionaries? Those treasonous creeps who fought against their own king and country?

Using terrorism and guerilla tactics to boot.

 

[Colpy]

Re: Wikileaks' Whistleblower Subjected to Inhumane Conditions

I would take it, then, that you don't have much use for the American Revolutionaries? Those treasonous creeps who fought against their own king and country?

THEY had reason....

There is a difference between fighting to liberate yourself and undermining the freest nations on earth because you feel.....inadequate.

That is the difference between the American revolutionaries and young Mr. Manning.

Using terrorism and guerilla tactics to boot.

Oh the damned Yankee revolutionaries were not particularly nice about it. As my ancestors, who fought against them, remained loyal to the crown, and came to Canada as United Empire Loyalists would attest.



Nor were the Brits very touchy feely about the whole deal.

Since when has war been a cocktail party?

 

[DaSleeper]

Re: Wikileaks' Whistleblower Subjected to Inhumane Conditions

A copy of the charges....
Could that be considered treason? when at war?

 

[TenPenny]

Re: Wikileaks' Whistleblower Subjected to Inhumane Conditions

THEY had reason....

There is a difference between fighting to liberate yourself and undermining the freest nations on earth because you feel.....inadequate.

That is the difference between the American revolutionaries and young Mr. Manning.

I was just going by what you said.

 

[Tonington]

Re: Wikileaks' Whistleblower Subjected to Inhumane Conditions

If Manning had been a Christian conservative instead of a gay liberal and anti American activist would the mass media report it?8O

They would have named it as other popular scandals are, Climategate or some other -gate, and pointed at every possible misconstrued word uttered by an Obama administration official.

 

[Highball]

Re: Wikileaks' Whistleblower Subjected to Inhumane Conditions

Manning will probably never see the world as a free man again. Once the Uniform Military Code of Justice system goes to work he'll robably become a lifetime resident of the Miltary Prison in Leavenworth, KS. Is he a marked man? You bet! Big time. The power brokers in the US will make sure he becomes an example of what can happen to those who release what they now deem as "Classified" information. My only concern is to what degree of classification is the information he released?

 

[captain morgan]

Re: Wikileaks' Whistleblower Subjected to Inhumane Conditions

Rape during consensual sex? How is that possible?

Besides, the women aren't even accusing Assange of rape. Both were seen after the alleged events enjoying Assange's company. It was only after they realized that they both had sex Assange that they became angry and complained to authorities.

Assange never fled the country. After a short investigation, and an interrogation, he was released without charges. He moved on to his next event, which was not in Sweden. Assange was charged a few months later, immediately after he started leaking docs.

Anyone who can't smell a rat here, must have no sense of smell.

Assange is guilty of being a cad, a jerk and even an asshole, but rape for consensual sex? I don't think so.

Think of the precedent if this charge sticks. Anyone who lies to get sex or screws around on their partner and pisses them off, could be similarly charged.

Based on what you suggest, Assange has absolutely nothing to worry about.

That leaves only one question at this point; Knowing that the charges and allegations are meaningless, why did Assange not deal with this issue immediately and clear the air with the Swedish authorities?

 

[Colpy]

Re: Wikileaks' Whistleblower Subjected to Inhumane Conditions

Eh, how... evil of you.

No, how evil of him.

I have little tolerance for treason.

 

[TenPenny]

Re: Wikileaks' Whistleblower Subjected to Inhumane Conditions

No, how evil of him.

I have little tolerance for treason.

Unless the treasonous has a 'good reason' for it. Apparently.

 

[DaSleeper]

Re: Wikileaks' Whistleblower Subjected to Inhumane Conditions

Unless the treasonous has a 'good reason' for it. Apparently.

That will be up to the judge advocate general to decide...only their opinion counts.

 

[wulfie68]

Re: Wikileaks' Whistleblower Subjected to Inhumane Conditions

Who has been charged with treason? Sticking it to "the man" earns huge respect.

Setting aside the whole issue of this guy signing a contract that in essence voluntarily suspended some of his rights while in military service, you're missing something huge. He is in a MILITARY prison, where if released into general population, he would be surrounded by inmates who all VOLUNTEERED to serve their country. This isn't like the civilian prison system where inmates may have a lot of quais-anarchistic and anti-authoritarian views. What he did WOULD be seen as unpatriotic by many and treasonous by some, like Colpy was stating. The military is also relatively homophobic (there is still a ban on gays in the US military, regardless of the Clinton "don't ask, don't tell" policy) and that would make his position even more tenuous. Mr Bradley being in isolation is probably the best thing that can be done for him, until his trial.

 

[mentalfloss]

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That will be up to the judge advocate general to decide...only their opinion counts.

And since Colpy's the best one for the job, we have now come full circle.

 

[Akubra]

Re: Wikileaks' Whistleblower Subjected to Inhumane Conditions

One cannot contract out of your rights. If the other inmates are a danger to a yet considered innocent inmate THEY are the ones who should be locked up for safety.

 

[DaSleeper]

Re: Wikileaks' Whistleblower Subjected to Inhumane Conditions

And since Colpy's the best one for the job, we have now come full circle.

Sarcasm aside.......his opinion in this situation seems to parallel mine.

I would give Manning a fair trial......then I'd shoot him:smile:

 

[earth_as_one]

Re: Wikileaks' Whistleblower Subjected to Inhumane Conditions

Based on what you suggest, Assange has absolutely nothing to worry about.

That leaves only one question at this point; Knowing that the charges and allegations are meaningless, why did Assange not deal with this issue immediately and clear the air with the Swedish authorities?

Assange was originally sought for questioning in September in relation to accusations by two women in Sweden whose various claims include having sex with him that was not fully consensual. Initially the two women never had any complaints about Assange until they realized he was having sex with both of them. Then they made a joint complaint about Assange's failure to use a condom every time they had sex, even though they claimed they requested that Assange always use a condom during sex. The original prosecutor never charged Assange with any crime. He interviewed Assange, decided that it was unlikely that Assange could be charged with any crime and released Assange. Assange finished his business in Sweden and a few days later traveled to the UK where he was scheduled to attend additional conferences and conventions. Almost two months after Assange left Sweden, a more senior Swedish prosecutor coincidentally decided to reopened the case, coincidentally a day or so after Wikileaks began released the leaked US docs. As far as I know, Assange still has not been formally charged with any crime and he denies any wrongdoing. He is only wanted for further questioning as a witness regarding this case. Assange was summoned back to Sweden by an arrest warrant . Assange tried and failed to appeal that arrest warrant. The Swedish authorities issued an request to extradite Assange back to Sweden for further questioning. But they screwed up and had to resubmit the request. A few days later when the British authorities were finally served with a proper extradition notice, Assange voluntarily turned himself in to the nearest police station. Assange was then held in solitary without bail for over a week. When bail was finally granted, Swedish authorities appealed and Assange was held for another two days. The Swedish appeal was denied and yesterday Assange was finally released on bail.

Doesn't any of this strike you as odd?

I think its obvious that Assange is the target of a massive smear campaign, deliberately designed to discredit him by portraying him as a serial rapist on the run from authorities.
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[captain morgan]

Re: Wikileaks' Whistleblower Subjected to Inhumane Conditions

Assange was originally sought for questioning in September in relation to accusations by two women in Sweden whose various claims include having sex with him that was not fully consensual.

"Not fully consensual"?.. Isn't that lawyer-speak for rape?

He is only wanted for further questioning as a witness regarding this case.

You're gonna have to explain this... A "witness" to the event that he was part of and is accused of?

Assange tried and failed to appeal that arrest warrant. The Swedish authorities issued an request to extradite Assange back to Sweden for further questioning. But they screwed up and had to resubmit the request.

Fair enough, but if Assange was fully confident in his innocence, why not engage the Swedish authorities?

A few days later when the British authorities were finally served with a proper extradition notice, Assange voluntarily turned himself in to the nearest police station.

It was more than a few days

Assange was then held in solitary without bail for over a week. When bail was finally granted, Swedish authorities appealed and Assange was held for another two days.

It's not uncommon to segregate rapists in prison.. They are hated almost as much as pedophiles.

Also, it's the standard practice for prosecution to request a denial of bail for those people that have a track record of non-cooperation.

The Swedish appeal was denied and yesterday Assange was finally released on bail.

There ya go, the system works!.. I guess that this also dispels any conspiracy theories

I think its obvious that Assange is the target of a massive smear campaign, deliberately designed to discredit him by portraying him as a serial rapist on the run from authorities.

... Kinda like the massive smear campaign that he spear-headed?

 

[CDNBear]

Re: Wikileaks' Whistleblower Subjected to Inhumane Conditions

Has anyone else given any thought to the idea that he might be in protective custody?

Just because his fellow inmates are military criminals, doesn't mean they care for treasonous acts.

 

[Colpy]

Re: Wikileaks' Whistleblower Subjected to Inhumane Conditions

Has anyone else given any thought to the idea that he might be in protective custody?

Just because his fellow inmates are military criminals, doesn't mean they care for treasonous acts.

Wayyyyy ahead of you.........read back!