The Coalition Strikes!!!
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It would have had to have been relevant first before it could be irrelevant now...:lol:
Oh Colpy, don't go off the meds again!
Got a little problem with Reading Comprehension there?
I have been completely consistent........I have always insisted that the Count must distance himself from any possibility of a coalition that included in any way the Bloc Quebecois.......
I have always said that a Liberal/NDP coalition is perfectly acceptable, and that a Conservative/Liberal coalition would be an ideal solution to minority gov't.
The Count blew it by rejecting all coalition possibilities.......
If you can find ANY post where I have not been "on message" with those core ideas, I'd love to see them....please produce.....the ones below ain't it.
If you can't produce, this space is always available for apologies.....
Harper wouldn't be so bad if he was open to working with Parliament. He could have reached out to create a Conservative-Bloc, Conservative-Liberal or Conservative-NDP coalition, bowed respectably to a NDP-Liberal-Bloc coaltion, or even call for a non-Partisan Parliament for the next four years whereby Parliament could have voted for a Pm and cabinet and replace party caucuses with a Caucus of the House at least this time. There were plenty of ways he could have made Parliament work, but he did not want to make it work.
Now of course none of this would affect my opinion of my local Conservative MP, except for the fact that, even observing his own character independently of his party affiliation, he's just as bad as Harper if not worse!
But again, some Conservative MPs come to mind whom I probably could vote for such as Scott Reid for example.
But should I be dealt the same cards as last eleciton in my riding, I might vote for the Green candidate or spoil my ballot by writing in the name of a local resident AI think does deserve my vote. A few names come to mind already should it come down to that.
I doubt we'll get an NDP minority on a number of fronts. On the most obvious front, history is an indication is a likelyhood of that. However, less obviously, based on what layton has said so far, it would appear that, given the choice between an NDP minority government and a majority coalition government including the NDP, Layton would opt for the later.
Now assuming Iggy keeps his promise, and we end up with more or less the same composition of Parliament as before, then perhaps a Conservative-NDP coalition would be the only possibility left on the table. Though again, Harper had expressed willingness to include the Bloc in 2004. Though again Iggy could end up backtracking in which case we could end up with an NDP-Liberal-Bloc coalition. While such a coalition would give the Liberals power for 5 years, the Liberals woudl also be decimated in the following election on the grounds that they'd have lied to the people about coalitions. Meanwhile, the NDP and Bloc would come out of it unscathed since they've been quite open about favouring coalitions.
Also, any Canadian looking for stability will certainly be turned off by any party expressing contempt for coaltions. Again, Layton is not in my riding, but if he was, depending on whom he was running against, he'd start looking mighty good in my books compatred to Iggy at least assuming he were in the same riding.
I kind of doubt that.
It would be poetic justice for so many wouldn't it.
The Libs planned a coalition all along.
Why would you enter a horse race, that costs a lot of money, if you knew you were going to lose?
It's because he knew he could get power thru the back door by forming a coalition.
As far as Jack Layton is concerned, there is no ***** like an old *****, your desperate to take anything you can get..
Why would you enter a horse race, that costs a lot of money, if you knew you were going to lose?
It's because he knew he could get power thru the back door by forming a coalition.
As far as Jack Layton is concerned, there is no ***** like an old *****, your desperate to take anything you can get..
I think the one party that will lose the most in this election is the Conservatives. I think that the 'average Joe' is tired of being treated with disdain and contempt by a bunch of unethical fraud artists, who have absolutely no qualms about changing a document after it's been signed. If I met Harper tomorrow, I would tell him that his inability to condemn Oda for her fraud proved to me that he has no ethics, and I cannot vote Conservative while he's leader. He supports a liar, a cheat, a fraud artist, and therefore he condones that behaviour. He has demonstrated that he has no morals, and that makes him a non-starter.
Well, I guess it's all in the interpretation, remember the little guy who said, the GST is gone?
Or how about the abs scam ?
Yeah that's true but Harper and the Neocons have been in secret talks with Sarah Palin and the Teabaggers to change Canada into an annexed area of the US sort of like Alaska and Hawaii so that they can cross the border freely trade wise for oil and natural gas, surround us with their own security perimeter and in trade have access to the oil beneath the now thawing Canadian North.
Why would Harper enter into secret talks with the unelected Americans if there was no plan to merge the two countries behind the Canadian taxpayer's backs? ;-)
Uummmm, ok, ahhhh, do you often see spiders running up and down your walls. It happens quite often, you know, I mean spiders running around!!
Sheeeeee !
Yes I think maybe I do. They are all yelling coalition coalition, beware the coalition. Is that a bad sign do you think?
I am a little ticked the opposition wouldn't form a coalition to keep Harper out.
All this talk about a coalition is nonsense anyway, Harper himself offered to
form a coalition a few years ago to get rid of Paul Martin. In addition it is part
of Parliamentary Democracy that coalitions can be formed, Britain at present
has one The Tories and the Liberal Democrats.
My biggest beef is the Conservatives are Social Conservatives and I for one
would not trust them with a mandated majority. Fiscal Conservatives that's
another matter.
All this talk about a coalition is nonsense anyway, Harper himself offered to
form a coalition a few years ago to get rid of Paul Martin. In addition it is part
of Parliamentary Democracy that coalitions can be formed, Britain at present
has one The Tories and the Liberal Democrats.
My biggest beef is the Conservatives are Social Conservatives and I for one
would not trust them with a mandated majority. Fiscal Conservatives that's
another matter.
Less dependence on the USA to buy Canadian oil?
LESS DEPENDENCE ON THE USA TO BUY CANADIAN OIL?!?
That's so surreal on so many levels I don't where to begin. This is one for Rick Mercer. Imagine Canada worrying about the US not buying Canadian oil.
CAD (Canadian Diplomat): So Mr. USD (US Diplomat), we in Canada are concerned about US oil consumption.
USD: Oh really. How so?
CAD: Well, we were just wondering if you were going to stop using so much. Your environmentalists keep talking about that.
USD: Define "so much".
CAD: Well, you know... like... cut back from your current rate of 10 million barrels per day to something like 8 million barrels per day?
USD: As a matter of fact, that's exactly what we were planning to do. How very intuitive of you.
CAD: Really?
USD: Oh yeah. But since the cat's out of the bag, we might as well tell you that we were planning to keep importing oil from Mexico and Saudi Arabia and Nigeria and Russia and Algeria and Iraq and Angola and all those other guys. Your Harper government has been creeping us out and we've decided we'd rather buy it from Feudal Sheiks and Dictators and Oligarchs and petty Tyrants. Besides, it's too easy pipe-lining and railroading it down from you guys. We feel oil has more value when shipped from around the world.
CAD: Uhh, well... we can give Harper a majority government, and we can push a pipeline through the Rockies and pour it into tankers from Kitimat so you can sail it to your refineries if you want.
USD: That's still not the same. North American oil isn't as edgy as Islamic oil. Native Athabascans don't suicide-bomb like Islamic terrorists, so your oil doesn't have the same risk-factor to make us feel like we've *earned* it.
CAD: Uhh... well... there are some natives in Fort Chip who don't like run-off from the tailing ponds... we could get them drunk on lots of fire-water and get them to ritually wrap themselves in dynamite and run into one of Suncor's Terex Titans as proof of warrior bravery and...
USD: Will there be lots of innocent bystanders?
CAD: Define "innocent".
USD: *Sigh*... in any case, to cut consumption we've decided that New York will become oil free. They consume about as much oil per day as we've been importing from you, so we're going to make New York a petroleum free zone.
CAD: But what about the lights on Broadway?
USD: We'll replace those with panels to capture starlight. And transit will go back to horses and ferry's, which means the tunnels will suffice for travel to Brooklyn, which means we'll have a big antique bridge for sale... wanna buy it?
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I fully agree, but you have to admit they've been pretty sucky fiscal conservatives as well.
Also, you'll never find any conservative party that isn't socially conservative. They know they'll get the vote from the hardwired religious-right. When these people die off, you'll see a more socially libertarian conservative party - which could actually do this country some good for once.
LOL
Yea, we have absolutely nothing to worry about. We're a friggin goldmine when it comes to oil..
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Dammit!
I think the Count has been counting on the stupidity of the Canadian electorate.......
John Ivison: Ignatieff would not support an unchanged Tory budget | Full Comment | National Post
So, now the CPC wins 140 seats, and re-introduces the budget.
All three opposition parties reject it, bringing the govt down.
The Count is asked to form a gov't....and the NDP and BQ support him.....
The poor Count! Forced into a coalition!
Against his will!
Time to give Harper a majority.
I think the Count has been counting on the stupidity of the Canadian electorate.......
John Ivison: Ignatieff would not support an unchanged Tory budget | Full Comment | National Post
So, now the CPC wins 140 seats, and re-introduces the budget.
All three opposition parties reject it, bringing the govt down.
The Count is asked to form a gov't....and the NDP and BQ support him.....
The poor Count! Forced into a coalition!
Against his will!
Time to give Harper a majority.