The Coalition Strikes!!!

[Colpy]

Colpy, you sound desperate. Your guy is winning. We are going to get a royal phucking. This will make you happy for some strange reason but hey! to each his own.

By the way, the CPC is a coalition so WTF are you going on about coalitions?

The CPC is NOT a coalition, it is a single party. Has been for years.

That said, I have NO problem with coalitions. If the Libs and NDP can form a coalition that is a majority, go for it! Personally, I think a CPC-Lib coalition makes the most sense........but that ain't gonna happen. My problem is with coalitions that include the BQ. That is NOT legitimate, official or unofficial, no matter who does it, and even if Harper dis propose it.

 

[petros]

How is all that democracy?

 

[Colpy]

I didn't say corporate... I said Plutocrat.

And if Harper gets a majority, he'll jackboot changes like no leveling of party campaign/operating budgets, which means YES, there is a change of us becoming like the USA in that sense... IF Harper gets a majority.

But it *was* Harper who was playing that game, wasn't it... and it was a much cozier deal with the BQ that the Lib/NDP offered them.

You're ranting against coalitions, yet the Conservative party is not just a coalition between the Reform and PC party... it's a full-blown merger.

You're ranting against the Lib/NDP to have offered the BQ a collaboration, which means the BQ would not have had seats in cabinet under the Lib/NDP deal...

But the deal Harper tried to make with the BQ *would* have resulted in BQ having seats in cabinet.

That means, by your standards, Harper is more of an enemy to Canada than would be a Lib/NDP coalition.

The GG can ask anyone to form a government. If the GG wanted, she could ask the BQ to form a government. It's just that by tradition she asks the party with the most seats in the House.

She's also got the power to fire a PM, which not enough Canadians know they can ask her to do if we get shackled with a majority government ruled by a jackboot.

Harper is middle-of-the-road.

He is hardly "dangerous", nor would he do anything that would seriously hamper the CPC's chances in the NEXT election.

Relax, fer cryin' out loud.

ONE MORE TIME: If Harper were offering the BQ a poke at power, I'd drop him in a heartbeat. Harper is not the one cozying up to the BQ now.....

If you think Harper's a jackboot, you obviousl;y missed Chretien and Trudeau.......

 

[Omicron]

Harper is middle-of-the-road

You're joking. Harper "middle of the road"?

Holy cow... where do you set your zero-point on the political spectrum?

This is a guy who thinks we should ban abortion so poor single mothers can raise dysfunctional, unloved boys to be jailed when they do the crimes that boys from dysfunctional unloved families tend to do.

I'm guessing you never noticed that the drop in crime-rate correlates to the legalization of abortion.

It seems to be a hard concept for a lot of guys to understand, but talk to any woman about what the issues are if you're stuck raising kids alone when you're poor and you were not ready to have them, and they'll tell you it's zero surprise that legalization of abortion would correlate to drop in crime rate.

Hmm... maybe that's why Harper wants to eviscerate accurate national statistics gathering. He would know that statistics prove his policies are bad for society, and how that spending $10 billion on prisons is the wrong end of the equation to be spending it on.

Did you know that the dominant determination of IQ potential for a human is how well-fed the mother was in the third trimester of pregnancy, and did you know that people who are naturally smart tend to do less violent crime?

If you took that $10 billion and spent it on feeding pregnant mothers in their third trimester you'd cut down on crime *way* more than by expensively locking the simians up.

He is hardly "dangerous", nor would he do anything that would seriously hamper the CPC's chances in the NEXT election.

Yes he is dangerous. he's the one who wants to cut equalization payments to party campaign/operating funds, which would thrown Ottawa into Lobbyist Hell the way Washington exists now.

ONE MORE TIME: If Harper were offering the BQ a poke at power, I'd drop him in a heartbeat. Harper is not the one cozying up to the BQ now.....

But he did, didn't he. He offered them seats in Cabinet.

The Lib/NDP never offered the BQ seats in cabinet, so by your standards - based upon a rather anachronistic view of the BQ, which you should do some research on to correct - Harper was much more a traitor to the nation than the Lib/NDP coalition.

 

[Colpy]

OTTAWA—The auditor general says the Harper government misinformed Parliament to win approval for a $50-million G8 fund that lavished money on dubious projects in a Conservative riding.

And she suggests the process may have been illegal.

The findings are contained in a confidential report Sheila Fraser was to have tabled in Parliament on April 5.

The report was put on ice when the Harper government was defeated and is not due to be released until after the May 2 election.

However, a Jan. 13 draft of the chapter on the G8 legacy infrastructure fund was seen by The Canadian Press.

It reveals that Industry Minister Tony Clement, the mayor of Huntsville, and the general manager of Deerhurst Resort chose the 32 projects that received funding — with no regard for the needs of the summit or the conditions laid down by the government.

The report analyzed the $1-billion cost of staging last June’s G8 summit in Ontario cottage country and a subsequent gathering of G20 leaders in downtown Toronto.

And...

from the CBC article..

The Conservatives are calling on Auditor General Sheila Fraser to publicly release the final version of her report into the Harper government’s spending for last summer’s G8 summit after a draft version — supposedly highly critical — was leaked to the media.

My emphasis....I somehow doubt there is much in there condemning the Conservatives......

 

[cyberclark]

Harper has said he will change Canada so none of us will recognize it. I take him at his word because he has the tools to do it in PNWER
Alberta--The Details: The Conservative/Republican Alliance -PNWER

He has already turned the bulk water export over to the provinces including our ground water, aquifers which was a brain dead conservative policy decision. If he is in charge NAFTA will be re opened, water export will be included in it as the result will be higher water bills for Canadians in many cases increases of 500% will be encountered.

The health care is in extreme jeopardy. The Conservatives are pushing us to a US Republican system where the Physicians charge what they want; the insurance pays what it wants and you and I are stuck for the difference with no recourse!

They are using phony numbers on health care putting forward worse case scenarios where the truth lies our GDP portion spent on health care will only increase 1%. We enjoy one of the lowest costing systems in the world now and deliberate short funding is causing stress on the systems that could be overcome. On the other hand our health care insurance premiums will go up to 100 to 250.00 per month depending on family and genetics. They can also drop you without notice or cause.

As far as the US system offering better care may be true it comes at a cost. If you have that kind of cash you can go to the US for the tweak and leave our system alone.

Health care is drawn on party lines; not cost and effect.

My worse nightmares are made up of a Conservative Government of any kind. A coalition is the best world for families and the man on the street in Canada.

 

[Colpy]

Harper has said he will change Canada so none of us will recognize it. I take him at his word because he has the tools to do it in PNWER
Alberta--The Details: The Conservative/Republican Alliance -PNWER

He has already turned the bulk water export over to the provinces including our ground water, aquifers which was a brain dead conservative policy decision. If he is in charge NAFTA will be re opened, water export will be included in it as the result will be higher water bills for Canadians in many cases increases of 500% will be encountered.

The health care is in extreme jeopardy. The Conservatives are pushing us to a US Republican system where the Physicians charge what they want; the insurance pays what it wants and you and I are stuck for the difference with no recourse!

They are using phony numbers on health care putting forward worse case scenarios where the truth lies our GDP portion spent on health care will only increase 1%. We enjoy one of the lowest costing systems in the world now and deliberate short funding is causing stress on the systems that could be overcome. On the other hand our health care insurance premiums will go up to 100 to 250.00 per month depending on family and genetics. They can also drop you without notice or cause.

As far as the US system offering better care may be true it comes at a cost. If you have that kind of cash you can go to the US for the tweak and leave our system alone.

Health care is drawn on party lines; not cost and effect.

My worse nightmares are made up of a Conservative Government of any kind. A coalition is the best world for families and the man on the street in Canada.

I LOVE you idiots!!!! You are just sooooo easy.

Might I suggest you look at the Canadian constitution, which clearly puts natural resources (including water) under the exclusive authority of the provinces.

While you are at it, you might also check out the campaign platform, in which Harper has committed to the exact same health care finance policy as the Liberals: continued 6% increases in health care transfers to the provinces.

A coalition will not be best for the man on the street in Canada if the BQ succeeds in promoting its own importance.......there will be no Canada.

You're joking. Harper "middle of the road"?

Holy cow... where do you set your zero-point on the political spectrum?

This is a guy who thinks we should ban abortion so poor single mothers can raise dysfunctional, unloved boys to be jailed when they do the crimes that boys from dysfunctional unloved families tend to do.

I'm guessing you never noticed that the drop in crime-rate correlates to the legalization of abortion.

It seems to be a hard concept for a lot of guys to understand, but talk to any woman about what the issues are if you're stuck raising kids alone when you're poor and you were not ready to have them, and they'll tell you it's zero surprise that legalization of abortion would correlate to drop in crime rate.

Hmm... maybe that's why Harper wants to eviscerate accurate national statistics gathering. He would know that statistics prove his policies are bad for society, and how that spending $10 billion on prisons is the wrong end of the equation to be spending it on.

Did you know that the dominant determination of IQ potential for a human is how well-fed the mother was in the third trimester of pregnancy, and did you know that people who are naturally smart tend to do less violent crime?

If you took that $10 billion and spent it on feeding pregnant mothers in their third trimester you'd cut down on crime *way* more than by expensively locking the simians up.

Yes he is dangerous. he's the one who wants to cut equalization payments to party campaign/operating funds, which would thrown Ottawa into Lobbyist Hell the way Washington exists now.

But he did, didn't he. He offered them seats in Cabinet.

The Lib/NDP never offered the BQ seats in cabinet, so by your standards - based upon a rather anachronistic view of the BQ, which you should do some research on to correct - Harper was much more a traitor to the nation than the Lib/NDP coalition.

Oh RIGHT....Harper wants to ban abortion.....that is why he has committed to NOT raising it in any new Parliament.

That's the way to lower crime! Murder the lower classes and racial minorities in the womb! Gotta love the left!

And we are ignoring the demographic suicide of our nation partly due to abortion.....we are no longer replacing ourselves.

Harper is not the current threat for coalition with the BQ.....the Liberals are.

 

[Unforgiven]

Sorry, Unforgiven....

You'll have to do better than the old draft of an unreleased report that says something unspecific might have been illegal.

Meaningless.

Come on Colpy if these guys ate babies you would support them. It is only meaningless if you will vote for them regardless of what they say and do. To many voters, it isn't meaningless at all. It shows something that doesn't even register on your radar, which would set off all kinds of bells and whistles for me and others like me.

The Harper Conservatives aren't here to serve the public. They are interested in supporting those who vote for them and doing everything they can, even throwing people out of their rallies because they think they aren't the right kind of people, to the detriment of the majority of Canadians. This is wrong, not that you would know it.

The conservatives aren't the right party to form a majority government in Canada.

 

[Omicron]

Oh RIGHT....Harper wants to ban abortion.....that is why he has committed to NOT raising it in any new Parliament.

Hmm... so he had to make a commitment statement to that effect. Curious that he figured he had to mention it.

It means by default he and/or his constituents would think it should be banned, such that he had to go out of his way that he'd make an exception in this case and not make an issue out of it. Did he have to make a similar exception-statement about gay marriage?

In any case, he hasn't stopped embarrassing Canada on the international stage by saying they wouldn't support abortion in poor, overpopulated nations.

That's the way to lower crime! Murder the lower classes and racial minorities in the womb! Gotta love the left!

In the first place it's not about class or race. It's about single mothers who don't want to have a kid being forced to raise one when they're not married.

In the second place, like that stats show, there is a correlation between the dropping crime rate and the legalization of abortion.

In the third place you didn't touch the issue of offering prenatal nutrition to pregnant mothers. It's a huge effect. The difference in average IQ of kids properly fed in the third trimester, which is when most of the neurons are formed, is huge... a 27 point IQ spread on average... and the stats show that the smarter kids do less violent crime, so why spend $10 billion locking up simians when you could spend it on feeding mothers in the third trimester, so that instead of dumb violent young males being locked up in expensive prisons, they'd be contributing members of society, working to add to the nation's wealth instead of tapping on it to the tune of $120K per year per inmate.

And we are ignoring the demographic suicide of our nation partly due to abortion.....we are no longer replacing ourselves.

So? The world's overpopulated as it is.

I'm guessing you don't know that in order to support 9 billion people at a middle-class standard of living we'd need the resources of 4.4 earth-sized planets. Canada happens to be in a lucky situation, so instead of keeping it that way you want to squander it down to world-average standards?

And if you're going to fly off on how the ratio of elderly people to youth makes for an unsustainable economy, then you'd better check out how Sweden's been able to handle it, because back in the 70's their ratio of elderly to youth was what Canada is seeing now, and it didn't hurt them. Their economy is doing quite alright.

Harper is not the current threat for coalition with the BQ.....the Liberals are.

Why... did Iggy say something in the last day or so that I missed? Did he say he wants BQ in cabinet?

Iggy and Jacko never offered BQ seats in cabinet. Harper did.

 

[JLM]

I don't think there is any doubt that Harper would be best on a fairly short leash- my dog's leash is 6' long so 5' would probably be about right for Harper. :lol:

 

[petros]

I don't think there is any doubt that Harper would be best on a fairly short leash- my dog's leash is 6' long so 5' would probably be about right for Harper. :lol:

Is your dog neutered like Harper?

 

[JLM]

The more I think about it the more I realize what idiots Ignatieff and Layton are - If you look at the demographics of voters you see that the biggest percentage of them are seniors, now what senior in his right mind who benefits from Income splitting on the income tax is going to vote for one of those bozos? (Not that Harper should get any idea in his head from this that he isn't a bozo)

Is your dog neutered like Harper?

May 9th is the date set for it- one week to the day after Iggy and Layton get "neutered". :lol:

 

[CUBert]

Yep, the Liberal, NDP, Bloc coalition is on the move.........and Canada is in trouble. God forbid we ever elect these guys.....

http://ezralevant.com/2010/12/liberals-ndp-bloc-gang-up-on-a.html

That would be an absolute disaster for this nation.

I'll definitely be voting for them

 

[cyberclark]

I'll take a moment to go over the Conservative alarmist views on the Health Care Crisis. Health Care is divided on party lines and has nothing to do with cost or effectiveness.

Conservative saying our health care is going to hell in a basket. More Canadian Republican working to install a multi payer system in Canada; the same system that is bankrupting the US!

While in the US the republicans are trying to eradicate Medicaid! They say " Government has no place in Health Care any place!" They are rushing bogus numbers onto us; scare tactics and it appears Iggy is going along with it. So much for a university education.

76.4 % of people who go to hospital are under the age of 65! Babies under 1 year were the most common.

The average age of hospitalized patients was 39.5 years with half of those being under the age of 36 years. These are not baby boomers.

Only 10.7% are 65 years or older and if this increases 30% as their biased numbers are predicting, it only brings it up to near 13.9% . We are not talking 30% of 100%; that is the scare tactic!

Some 16.4% of the elderly admitted to hospital died as compared to 3.3% of other patients

Over half of the patients admitted to Intensive Care were younger patients who had more done to them and stayed in ICU longer, the most expensive hospital service. (Life style ailments)

I see the latter as being the place to cut health care costs if you feel you must!

Canada single health care payer costs us 10.4% of our GDP while the US Costs them near 18% now and leaves 60 million souls without any coverage. We don't want or need the US system as the Conservatives are bound to drag us.

Health care is divided along party lines; it has nothing to do with cost and effect!

The WHO places Canada amongst the cheapest and most effective health care systems in the world. Further the WHO places the most expensive on those countries who moved to a multi user pay system.

I do so hope for a Coalition!

And here it is guys....the reason the Conservatives must win a majority.........



John Ivison: Coalition looking likely as Harper fights for a majority | Full Comment | National Post

Outrageous!

Unless the Liberals firmly commit to no coalition with the Bloc Quebecois, there is only one choice if you give a damn about this country.

Vote Conservative.

I urge any and all of you that intend on voting Liberal (or NDP) to raise hell over this with your candidate. We need a firm commitment this will not happen.....

or we have to give the Conservatives a majority.

Beyond the obvious misrepresentation of the Health Care situation, the pandering of public funds into Quebec released today, the fact they have turned over water exports to the provinces which will cost us dearly I can see no reason to elected even one of these lying buggers into the house!

 

[Unforgiven]

I'll take a moment to go over the Conservative alarmist views on the Health Care Crisis. Health Care is divided on party lines and has nothing to do with cost or effectiveness.

Conservative saying our health care is going to hell in a basket. More Canadian Republican working to install a multi payer system in Canada; the same system that is bankrupting the US!

While in the US the republicans are trying to eradicate Medicaid! They say " Government has no place in Health Care any place!" They are rushing bogus numbers onto us; scare tactics and it appears Iggy is going along with it. So much for a university education.

76.4 % of people who go to hospital are under the age of 65! Babies under 1 year were the most common.

The average age of hospitalized patients was 39.5 years with half of those being under the age of 36 years. These are not baby boomers.

Only 10.7% are 65 years or older and if this increases 30% as their biased numbers are predicting, it only brings it up to near 13.9% . We are not talking 30% of 100%; that is the scare tactic!

Some 16.4% of the elderly admitted to hospital died as compared to 3.3% of other patients

Over half of the patients admitted to Intensive Care were younger patients who had more done to them and stayed in ICU longer, the most expensive hospital service. (Life style ailments)

I see the latter as being the place to cut health care costs if you feel you must!

Canada single health care payer costs us 10.4% of our GDP while the US Costs them near 18% now and leaves 60 million souls without any coverage. We don't want or need the US system as the Conservatives are bound to drag us.

Health care is divided along party lines; it has nothing to do with cost and effect!

The WHO places Canada amongst the cheapest and most effective health care systems in the world. Further the WHO places the most expensive on those countries who moved to a multi user pay system.

I do so hope for a Coalition!


Beyond the obvious misrepresentation of the Health Care situation, the pandering of public funds into Quebec released today, the fact they have turned over water exports to the provinces which will cost us dearly I can see no reason to elected even one of these lying buggers into the house!

Great post, but where did you get the stats from?

 

[PoliticalNick]

I really don't understand this whole 'coalition' as a scary word idea that is being thrown out there by the cons. Democracy is intended to be a coalition of the elected representitives of each riding.

Under our constitution, our governmnet is supposed to be a coalition of independant MP's gathered together in Ottawa to govern the country. Not his party system farce we have today. All the MP's are supposed to get to Ottawa and the get together (a coalition) to elect the PM and then govern the country as a whole for the benefit of ALL Canadians. Our present system alows for a group with less than 40% of the vote to call themselves the government and rule with only the interest of that 40% in mind.

I would prefer a system similar to the US where we elect our individual MP's and they would be equivilant to the congress and a separate vote is instituted for the PM who would require at least 50% + 1 to be elected. The PM would act as the Speaker of the House and would only vote in the case of a tie and would also nominate all ministers who would have to be confirmed by a min 60% of the MP's.

There should also be an opportunity for recall in each riding once a year by either a petition with 51% of the voters signed on or possibly an electronic vote on set dates each year, I mean why should we have to wait 4-5 years to get rid of someone who isn't doing a good job in the eyes of their constituents.. This would ensure a much better representation of the will of the majority of the people.

2. a union into one body or mass; fusion.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/coalition

 

[damngrumpy]

The conservatives are a coalition they merged after forming a coalition of two ideologies
right and extreme right, actually the Reform Party hijacked the Progressive Conservative
party. Remember when Peter Mac Kay was the leader and said it wouldn't happen only
to be negotiating in secret? In BC there is a coalition of the federal Conservatives and the
Federal Liberals to have a majority against the NDP. I don't think that is going to save them
this fall in a Provincial election either. I do hope there is a coalition of opposition parties in
the event of a minority but I doubt they will form a formal working arrangement.
We must not allow a majority government of social conservatives, they do not serve the
interests of Canadians they address the issues only from the small core that funds them.
I have said before present the alternative as a fiscal conservative government that is a
different matter, social conservatism is worse than the Liberals.

 

[Trex]

A coalition is probably just possible at this point.

In my view a formal coalition containing the BQ as a member is unsupportable and highly unlikely.
I just dont think it would fly and I think the Govenor General would nix the idea.

However there is another way.
Over at:
ThreeHundredEight.com
They are doing huge amounts of analysis on all the available polls.
Today the Cons have 153 seats...just shy of a majority.

However if you hunt around on the site you can see a table where potential maximum and minimum seat counts are given using the available data.

The max for the Cons is a large majority.

But the max for the Libs paints a different picture.
It is possible for the Libs and NDP together to control more seats than the Cons.
All they need then is to form a voting agreement with the BQ to not bring down the coalition on confidence issues and "Bobs your Uncle"
A Lib and NDP coalition would run the country.
The Govenor General would support it.
Polling shows a slim majority of Canadians would probably support it.
Iggy would be the figurehead but Layton would have the hammer.

Tax and spend your brains out.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Tax and spend your brains out.

This is the policy of all of them. The only difference being who gets taxed and what it is spent on

 

[Unforgiven]

The Govenor General would support it.

What gives you that idea?