The Coalition.......Lib, NDP, and yes, the Bloc

YukonJack

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Praxius, correct me if I am wrong, but is not the portrait in your first picture interchangeble, applying to any and all Prime Ministers?

Your second picture and all its implications are only applicable in Texas.
 

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damngrumpy

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These things are usually discussed in the lounge and then
they slowly make their way to the higher points on the chart
I hope they do come to some kind of an agreement with a
new less formal coalition after the next election.
I don't want the last vestiges of the Reform Party to gain a
majority. I am also hoping the end of the Conservative
reign has come. I fear though they have one more minority
left in them. After the next election, there will be new leaders
for all parties and they will all find a new song to dance to.
 

YukonJack

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There are a few things that distinguish us Canadians from those evil Yanks:

Unlike them, the poor suckers, who know when an election is coming, we display our superiority by relying on the call of our Prime Minister, whom, by general consensus, we despise.

Unlike them, our national treasure, the CFL (comprised, btw mostly of American rejects) has a schedule to be real proud of: The hell with the predictibility of having games on a certain day of the week like those stupid Yanks.

There are more examples, but this should be enough to call REAL patriots to come and attack.
 

taxslave

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A coalition would be the will of the people...those MP's are elected representatives of the people. Simple math here, which government has the greater representation of the will of the people? A government with 36% of the vote, or a government with 59% of the vote?

Not quite true. While I might be persuaded to vote for the Libs and have done so in the past under no circumstances would I support ANY dipper involvement in government. And since the Bloc is only in Quebec they do not represent much of Canada and in fact anyone that believes in Canada could not support their having a hand in running (ruining)government. Just because adding up the representation of opposition parties equals more seats than the minority government does not translate into majority representation.
 

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Not quite true. While I might be persuaded to vote for the Libs and have done so in the past under no circumstances would I support ANY dipper involvement in government. And since the Bloc is only in Quebec they do not represent much of Canada and in fact anyone that believes in Canada could not support their having a hand in running (ruining)government. Just because adding up the representation of opposition parties equals more seats than the minority government does not translate into majority representation.

As any sensible person would realize. :smile:
 

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Rule of thumb is "needs" take precedent over "wants". :smile:

And how does that apply to politics? In case it wasn't clear, I wasn't advocating that we need an election. When I say let's get it over with, I mean it's an inevitability, not necessarily something we need. If it was something we need, I wouldn't expect politicians to be the ones out in front, if you catch my drift.

Not quite true. While I might be persuaded to vote for the Libs and have done so in the past under no circumstances would I support ANY dipper involvement in government. And since the Bloc is only in Quebec they do not represent much of Canada and in fact anyone that believes in Canada could not support their having a hand in running (ruining)government. Just because adding up the representation of opposition parties equals more seats than the minority government does not translate into majority representation.

So, then you fail on the Math and on understanding our Westminster Parliamentary Democracy.
 

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Obviously critics of coalitions are unaware of France, Germany, Italy, Holland, Israel, Britain, ...

Coalitions are common in democracies where there are more choices than just between two identical parties.
 

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Obviously critics of coalitions are unaware of France, Germany, Italy, Holland, Israel, Britain, ...

Coalitions are common in democracies where there are more choices than just between two identical parties.
I like coalitions. Nobody has absolute power and people have to learn to get along, far more appropriate than the secretive and opaque crap we are seeing with our present government. Harpo has got to go. I would rather spend the money on a new election than on useless wars. Unfortunately, an election would probably not change anything as we get presented a bunch of losers on purpose.
 

Spade

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I like coalitions. Nobody has absolute power and people have to learn to get along, far more appropriate than the secretive and opaque crap we are seeing with our present government. Harpo has got to go. I would rather spend the money on a new election than on useless wars. Unfortunately, an election would probably not change anything as we get presented a bunch of losers on purpose.

I agree, Cliff!
Politics should be the "art of the possible" (Bismark, 1867), of compromise and accommodation, rather than the art of the autocratic!
 

taxslave

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Praxius, correct me if I am wrong, but is not the portrait in your first picture interchangeble, applying to any and all Prime Ministers?

Your second picture and all its implications are only applicable in Texas.

Sadly you are correct.
But we could use a bull with shorter horns and it would be applicable to Canada.
Anyone remember the Canada cow cartoon from the 30s?
Feeds off the west, milked dry by Ontario and Quebec and does doo doo on the east.
70 years later and not much has changed.
 

damngrumpy

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When you have a choice of parties like we do, a minority is good government.
I don't trust any of them with a majority. Secondly at the moment the Bloc is
made up of Canadian citizens. They represent the interests of Quebec true.
They are Canadians however, whether they want to be or not is another
matter. I so no reason why the Bloc could not be part of an alliance, in fact I
would trust them in an alliance more than I would, either the Liberals or the
NDP. Would I trust the Bloc to govern? No but I would trust them as part of a
coalition. The people I don't trust happen to be the Harper Conservatives.
The present government, or at least the party is really made up of social Tories,
who can't wait to bring their old Reform Agenda to the table. Fiscal Conservatives
are one thing social conservatives are another all together.
The would jam their agenda down our throat, without much in the way of debate,
as would the dogmatic greens. The Liberals and the NDP would debate things
until the substance was gone from the bill, sort of like we have now.
(yes that was tongue in cheek) before the criticism begins
 

JLM

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When you have a choice of parties like we do, a minority is good government.
I don't trust any of them with a majority. Secondly at the moment the Bloc is
made up of Canadian citizens. They represent the interests of Quebec true.
They are Canadians however, whether they want to be or not is another
matter. I so no reason why the Bloc could not be part of an alliance, in fact I
would trust them in an alliance more than I would, either the Liberals or the
NDP. Would I trust the Bloc to govern? No but I would trust them as part of a
coalition. The people I don't trust happen to be the Harper Conservatives.
The present government, or at least the party is really made up of social Tories,
who can't wait to bring their old Reform Agenda to the table. Fiscal Conservatives
are one thing social conservatives are another all together.
The would jam their agenda down our throat, without much in the way of debate,
as would the dogmatic greens. The Liberals and the NDP would debate things
until the substance was gone from the bill, sort of like we have now.
(yes that was tongue in cheek) before the criticism begins

I'm surprised that you haven't figured out by now that ALL parties are tarred with the same brush - all have their snouts in the trough and their hands on your wallet. I suppose when you elect a "different bunch of crooks" you may have a week of so of relative honesty while they learn the ropes, but I doubt if it's worth paying $300 million for. Probably cheaper and better in the long run just to leave a leader in until he's assassinated.