The casual arming of the idiot cousins in the country directly south of Canada.

[Colpy]

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By selling guns, to anyone who wants them and CAN afford them, (then allowing those buyers to conceal them), is insanity. Road rage is rampant, gangs abound who gain status with getting away with murder. Neighbours annoy one another & one rushes for his gun. For goodness sake, there have been gun battles between neighbours on the news over some really minor problem.


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And, back on subject........explain this to me....

The United States started liberalizing their gun laws in 1989..........before that, permits to carry were tightly controlled, and not often issued in most states.

There are now seven million Americans with permits to carry handguns concealed, and many more that live in states where a permit is not required.

Since 1989, the murder rate in the USA has DROPPED 40%, from 8.7 per 100,000 to 5.0 per 100,000

I know, I know, I shouldn't confuse you with the facts.....

Your comment????

 

[petros]

I bet most are in TX and MT.

‪TheAlexJonesChannel's Channel‬‏ - YouTube

The times they are a changing....

Obama: We're Working on Gun Control 'Under the Radar' - Guns - Fox Nation

 

[EagleSmack]

CDNBear....About Eagle.....none of this dame's statements ever have links. States things as facts with no backing whatever.

How can I provide links for falsehoods?

I'll ask again...

What weapons did we supply the Germans? What was coming at us?

Eagle, sure, you found that first link soooo easy to find......AFTER I posted it.

What are you talking about? What link?

Are you losing your mind sweetie?

After Hitler screwed Stalin over in 41 yup. Then they became part of the Allies.

Not to mention the Germans and Soviets mutually invaded Poland.

 

[Durry]

How can I provide links for falsehoods?

I'll ask again...

What weapons did we supply the Germans? What was coming at us?



What are you talking about? What link?

Are you losing your mind sweetie?



Not to mention the Germans and Soviets mutually invaded Poland.

These eaterners (cdn) like to tell everybody else how to run their state, province, country etc etc, yet they themselves are probably the biggest idiots there is.

They couldn't build a car if their life dependant on it, they have to use American technology to assemble cars. On top of that they can't even do it efficiently, the western provinces have to give them $2.2billion plus plus so they can pay their bills.

So it is awfully rich for these easterners to be telling everyone else what they should do when they can't even wipe their own tu tus!!!

 

[petros]

How are the Stimulus projects in AB coming along? BTW Edmonton is Canada's Murder Capital. Do something about it already!!! Can't even keep yourselves safe. What a bunch of slack jawed yokels.

 

[JLM]

I bet most are in TX and MT.

‪TheAlexJonesChannel's Channel‬‏ - YouTube

The times they are a changing....

Obama: We're Working on Gun Control 'Under the Radar' - Guns - Fox Nation

Bet there are more in Arizoner than Montanner.

 

[bluebyrd35]

And, back on subject........explain this to me....

The United States started liberalizing their gun laws in 1989..........before that, permits to carry were tightly controlled, and not often issued in most states.

There are now seven million Americans with permits to carry handguns concealed, and many more that live in states where a permit is not required.

Since 1989, the murder rate in the USA has DROPPED 40%, from 8.7 per 100,000 to 5.0 per 100,000

I know, I know, I shouldn't confuse you with the facts.....

Your comment????

The gun related deaths per year have remained pretty stable, sure the population has grown and many millions of Americans are permitted to carry concealed handguns. The question is, how many of those actually do??

What I find interesting is year by year the firearm related deaths remain around 33,000, over a 10 year period that is 330,000 people.
Also more than half of those deaths each year are due to suicide.

Since I don't and wouldn't carry a gun never mind a concealed one, I probably shouldn't feel sad or regretful about all those suicides; but I have lost children in accidents as well as husband, parents,, aunts, uncles, grandparents over the space of 15 years. It is painful enough dealing with sickness, accidental & other forms of non-deliberate deaths for those who remain behind. I cannot imagine the pain the family of a suicide must feel. Yearly average of suicides due to firearms 55.6% to 57% of that 33,000

Perhaps, if the guns were not so handy, there might be a chance that the urge to die would pass, or medical intervention obtained.

Yes, deaths of children from firearms have diminished since 1999 (3385). There were merely 3067 in 2007. Oh but hey, the right to bear arms is much more important than any of those who die because of those arms. Those stats don't confuse me. It is the awareness that few associate those facts with human tragedy that does.

 

[bluebyrd35]

These eaterners (cdn) like to tell everybody else how to run their state, province, country etc etc, yet they themselves are probably the biggest idiots there is.

They couldn't build a car if their life dependant on it, they have to use American technology to assemble cars. On top of that they can't even do it efficiently, the western provinces have to give them $2.2billion plus plus so they can pay their bills.

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May I ask why I being a female easterner would even want to build a car?? I have had Nissans for years now. Used to have Fords, but found they rusted out before the warrantee did.

That $2.2 billion plus comes from Oil revenues doesn't it?? Isn't Canada a united country?? It isn't as though the west built, manufacturered or invented that oil. It is pumped out of the ground and a goodly portion is sold to the US. Shouldn't all Canada's citizens enjoy some benefits from it's resources??

Because of that resource, I believe you pay a heck of a lot less income tax that I do, particularly, if you live in Alberta. Between both governments, 1/3 of my income goes to taxes there. Of course that doesn't count the Municipal Taxes, School Taxes, and the tax on that gas we import. Last I looked it was 1.49 a litre. We also pay Sales tax to both Prov & Fed governments. Not sure if it is 13 or 14% but used to be 16% See how lucky we are!!

Oh well, I grow peas, corn & and beans, and they are canned & frozen under many different brand names, so I do contribute to the economy of Canada as well. Used to be a dairy farm and supplied milk for cheese, yogurt and ice cream. Not interested in being tied down for two milkings a day anymore.

So what did this have to do with arms and guns??

 

[petros]

If you get any luckier you'll be paying the lotteries.

 

[CDNBear]

May I ask why I being a female easterner would even want to build a car??

Or actually back up your claims.

So what did this have to do with arms and guns??

Nothing, just like your links.

 

[Colpy]

The gun related deaths per year have remained pretty stable, sure the population has grown and many millions of Americans are permitted to carry concealed handguns. The question is, how many of those actually do??

What I find interesting is year by year the firearm related deaths remain around 33,000, over a 10 year period that is 330,000 people.
Also more than half of those deaths each year are due to suicide.

Since I don't and wouldn't carry a gun never mind a concealed one, I probably shouldn't feel sad or regretful about all those suicides; but I have lost children in accidents as well as husband, parents,, aunts, uncles, grandparents over the space of 15 years. It is painful enough dealing with sickness, accidental & other forms of non-deliberate deaths for those who remain behind. I cannot imagine the pain the family of a suicide must feel. Yearly average of suicides due to firearms 55.6% to 57% of that 33,000

Perhaps, if the guns were not so handy, there might be a chance that the urge to die would pass, or medical intervention obtained.

Yes, deaths of children from firearms have diminished since 1999 (3385). There were merely 3067 in 2007. Oh but hey, the right to bear arms is much more important than any of those who die because of those arms. Those stats don't confuse me. It is the awareness that few associate those facts with human tragedy that does.

Seven million went through the course and ponied up the money to get the permit.....I would guess most of them do. I certainly would. Add to that those that carry in states where no permit is required.

Actually, the number of gun deaths is somewhat lower than 30,000 currently, that rate has been falling. BTW, that is 1.2% of all deaths in the USA...............and yes, well over 50% of those are suicides.

The Department of Justice during the anti-gun administration of Bill Clinton did a scientific survey that reached the conclusion guns in the USA are used for defense of person or property at least 1.5 million times a years. Gary Kleck estimates 2.5 million times a year. In only the rarest event (much less than one in ten) are the weapons fired, mere display is enough to deter in most cases....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense?

So how many lives do you think were saved by those defensive uses???

Considering the fact you can never disarm criminals, and suicidal people have a wide variety of methods open to them, I suspect the widespread ownership of guns in the USA has saved lives overall.

 

[petros]

Have you been paying attention to what is happening south of the border?

 

[Colpy]

Have you been paying attention to what is happening south of the border?

You mean with Obama's administration ordering the BATF to allow Mexican drug gangs to buy guns in the USA????

 

[petros]

It goes beyond that. Waaaaaaaaaaay beyond that. Into the realms of lunacy and tyranny.

 

[DaSleeper]

Someone posted something like this in the last day or two...can't find it but I bookmarked this guy's channel.....

‪Obama Launches Gun Grab‬‏ - YouTube

 

[bluebyrd35]

http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-hitler.html

http://www.wingtv.net/whofinancedhitler.html.

http://www.whale.to/b/black_gm.html.

http://www.ranknfile-eu.org/uen_nastybiz.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/nov98/nazicars30.html

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall.street/index.html

http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/new_world_order/bush_nazis.html

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Politicians/Bush_Nazi_Dealings.html



Anthony C.Sutton after publishing Wall Street & the Rise of Hitler ....stated "He was persecuted but never prosecuted." He was threatened & because he didn't knuckle down to the pressure to not publish his findings. To prosecute would actually prove the truth of his revelations, wouldn't it?? His biography and obit, give his qualifications.

Dame Eagle, are there enough links here to satisfy you?? I have tested these links and except for the Washington Post one which needs "Ford and GM Scrutinized for Alleged Nazi Collaboration in the search area they work.

I have no doubt,you will dismiss out of hand these sources as not acceptable to your perverted sense of "defend anything with any hint of American wrongdoing" just because it is American". So be it. At this point I don't give a sh.t.

I DO have a life, and I am really not interested in posting to educate. I prefer discussion with something other than contempt, mockery and put downs as a rebuttal.



Bear.....When the same stories from different credible sources appear, I am open minded enough to research it. Dismissing such information because of misplaced faith in the patriotism of businessmen or politicians has proved to be disastrous and we do so at our peril.

Were you among those who believed the tobacco companies were truthful, and smoking had nothing to do with lung cancer? Or that DDT was not harmful to humans?? It appears very difficult for you to understand that I am not anti-Americans, but anti-crooks, traitors and greedy corp. or individuals who feel it is their "God given right" to chisel, scam and otherwise entitled to do whatever they wish in order to satisfy their ambitions.

I believe it is up to every single person to keep these institutions and government officials honest, but being vigilant. Those who are honest are perfectly open about their actions and do not fear scrutiny. Not so with those whose agenda has nothing to do with the welfare of their country or their fellow humans.


So if this is your ideas of bigotry,l you may stuff your ideas where the sun don't shine.

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Someone posted something like this in the last day or two...can't find it but I bookmarked this guy's channel.....

‪Obama Launches Gun Grab‬‏ - YouTube

...............

Alex Jones .....A nutter much like Glenn Beck Just go to YouTube....You will find him.

Yup, I woulda guessed this would interest you. .

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Considering the fact you can never disarm criminals, and suicidal people have a wide variety of methods open to them, I suspect the widespread ownership of guns in the USA has saved lives overall.[/QUOTE)

LOL, well my dad at 83 did. Not only got the gun of two 20 year old punks, one who rang the doorbell & the other hiding at the side. He came away with the watch of one and the ski mask of the other. Oh and he was a gun collector and had something like 30 or so around. Some were displayed (firing pin removed) and most locked up.

However, people do not answer the door with a gun in their hand. Dad believe in self defense techniques that did not involve weapons, as they were generally not where you could reach them when they were needed.

As for suicides, many of the other methods open to them are not immediately fatal. A gunshot to the head, is a rather useless bid for help.

 

[DaSleeper]

http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-hitler.html

I think He/She meant this one.... Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler by Antony C. Sutton

But it's a long read.....An E-Book....if it was in PDF I'd download it to my reader...

Finaly found the one He/She did mean CHAPTER FIVE: I.T.T. Works Both Sides of the War

But mine is better and after I read it it might even prove His/Her point omygod!!!:lol:

Your first link.....I posted it and discussed it with CDNBear over 24 hours ago....so I guess you have selective reading ability which is probably why you beleive only in sources that support your agenda ....Something you accuse everybody else of...
I get it now ......everyone elses source that would chalenge your agenda are nutters but yours always say the God honest truth:roll:

 

[bluebyrd35]

Your first link.....I posted it and discussed it with CDNBear over 24 hours ago....so I guess you have selective reading ability which is probably why you beleive only in sources that support your agenda ....Something you accuse everybody else of...
I get it now ......everyone elses source that would chalenge your agenda are nutters but yours always say the God honest truth:roll:

First I am TOLD no such sources exist, that I was producing everything out of thin air. So, I produce the sources and get accused of having an agenda. What agenda?? That I read these articles?? What other sources?? Am I now supposed to look for sources that disagree with those links. Am I now supposed to find articles in order to disprove those sources?? Get real!!

UNBELIEVABLE!!!!

 

[DaSleeper]

First I am TOLD no such sources exist, that I was producing everything out of thin air. So, I produce the sources and get accused of having an agenda. What agenda?? That I read these articles?? What other sources?? Am I now supposed to look for sources that disagree with those links. Am I now supposed to find articles in order to disprove those sources?? Get real!!

UNBELIEVABLE!!!!

Writing in bold does not give you any more credibility......
And thanks for acknowleging that I posted that first link almost two days ago....

Keep yelling...we can't hear you....

 

[CDNBear]

I'll go through your links again in a bit....

http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-hitler.html To prosecute would actually prove the truth of his revelations, wouldn't it??

No.

His biography and obit, give his qualifications.

As an economist. Not historian.

Dame Eagle, are there enough links here to satisfy you?? I have tested these links and except for the Washington Post one which needs "Ford and GM Scrutinized for Alleged Nazi Collaboration in the search area they work.

You still haven't figured out...

1, The difference between private industry and US foreign policy.
2, That none of your previous links proved your claim that the US was arming Germany.

On top of a couple other still unsubstantiated claims.

I have no doubt,you will dismiss out of hand these sources as not acceptable to your perverted sense of "defend anything with any hint of American wrongdoing" just because it is American". So be it. At this point I don't give a sh.t.

I explained how your links didn't support your claims, and you dismissed me out of hand.

I DO have a life, and I am really not interested in posting to educate.

That is self evident. Your posts have no substance to be educated by.

I prefer discussion with something other than contempt, mockery and put downs as a rebuttal.

Yet you employ them readily?

Bear.....When the same stories from different credible sources appear, I am open minded enough to research it.

A site the that claims the world has stopped spinning is a credible source?

Dismissing such information because of misplaced faith in the patriotism of businessmen or politicians has proved to be disastrous and we do so at our peril.

That's why I didn't just dismiss anything. I read each of your links that worked, and then explained where the errors were.

Were you among those who believed the tobacco companies were truthful, and smoking had nothing to do with lung cancer? Or that DDT was not harmful to humans??

Didn't you just cry about contempt mockery and put downs?

It appears very difficult for you to understand that I am not anti-Americans, but anti-crooks, traitors and greedy corp. or individuals who feel it is their "God given right" to chisel, scam and otherwise entitled to do whatever they wish in order to satisfy their ambitions.

This makes you inability to differentiate between US foreign policy and private industry, all the more puzzling.

I believe it is up to every single person to keep these institutions and government officials honest, but being vigilant. Those who are honest are perfectly open about their actions and do not fear scrutiny. Not so with those whose agenda has nothing to do with the welfare of their country or their fellow humans.

Tell me about it. Canada is on par with the US there I tell ya.

So if this is your ideas of bigotry,l you may stuff your ideas where the sun don't shine.

That would be the same place that does your thinking right?

First I am TOLD no such sources exist, that I was producing everything out of thin air.

That's a lie.

So, I produce the sources and get accused of having an agenda. What agenda??

The one where you claim your links state something they don't.

What other sources??

A real history book would be a good place to start.

Am I now supposed to look for sources that disagree with those links. Am I now supposed to find articles in order to disprove those sources??

Well ya. How else can you be objective if you refuse to educate yourself to the other side of the coin?

Get real!!

That would another good place for you to start at.

UNBELIEVABLE!!!!

Quite.