Put the power sources right at homes and a lot of difficulties can be solved.
But anyway, here's a bit from Wiki on socialism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_socialism
The benefits of socialism.
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But anyway, here's a bit from Wiki on socialism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_socialism
In 1998 California's governor was Republican Pete Wilson. And, of course, we all know what happened to Republican Orange County which refused to pay its taxes and had to be bailed out by Federal taxpayers.
Thanks for making my point.
A am assuming nothing. We have a problem today, what can we do today to solve it. What we do tomorrow will not solve global warming/cooling. When I see a serious move to update our power grids, then I'll know we are getting serious. Doing that alone would increase our energy efficiency atleast 100%, by reducing power line loss over distances.
As for those millions of solar panels, just where we put them, were to we store the energy produced that is convent to the panels. There are only a few places in the world that this can be done, like Germany and Spain. But the same problems arise, to many people, not enough room to take care of all.
Your welcome. Now if you read on, you will find out it was the people of California that did this to themselves, all by themselves. The had a tax revolt without thinking of the consequences. Now they are asking for a bailout which may be rejected. Teach them to give away their money so everyone resident/nonresident can have what ever they want.
Then how is it you think the only thing we can do is replace col with nukes?
And, by not producing power when it isn't needed, throttling the fuel consumption.
On marginal land.
And Florida, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah, California, the Sahara, Greece, Italy, France, Lebanon, the Middle east, Australia, there's plenty of suitable land out there available. The sun delivers 7000 times more energy than we consume globally. We only need to use a fraction of available land to provide huge amounts of power. Not with PV panels, they are not as efficient as solar thermal.
And China is eating our lunch on these renewable technologies. All while we have waited for China to commit, before we pass our own legislation, China has been producing more and more of the World's renewable energy infrastructure.
At this moment there is nothing that we have that can out produce coal except nuclear plants. Possibly some new hydroelectric plants, but with water getting short I'm not sure about them.
The problem still lies with the power grid, yes there is land, but getting the electricity to where it is needed is the problem and that is at least 50 years in the future, the goverment has not even started to think about it. Would be a nice work project for President Obama to start off with, definatly create jobs.
" China has been producing more and more of the World's renewable energy infrastructure. "
Also lets not forget they are also building new coal driven electrical plants.
Like I said, if this is your tack you're making an assumption, that we can't reduce energy consumption, which is false. If you think water shortages are only problems for hydro, think again.
Where do you get your information?
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090331/acesa_summary.pdf
Irrelevant to this discussion, that won't matter much when the World is importing Chinese solar panels and Chinese wind turbines. These technologies were developed in the West, and we're sitting by, watching while other nations ramp up their production. Good jobs that could be here.
Proposition 13 Was Root of California's Problem
Historically California's revenue problems go back to Proposition 13 in 1978. This froze taxes on existing properties at an unrealistically low rate and made it impossible to increase taxes on many large corporations. As a result the tax burden has been shifted to the ordinary home owner, resulting in very high property taxes for some and very low property taxes for others. The current financial crisis in California can be traced back to this poorly thought out initiative.
California's Budget Crisis: The Effects of Prop 13 - TIME
Historically California's revenue problems go back to Proposition 13 in 1978. This froze taxes on existing properties at an unrealistically low rate and made it impossible to increase taxes on many large corporations. As a result the tax burden has been shifted to the ordinary home owner, resulting in very high property taxes for some and very low property taxes for others. The current financial crisis in California can be traced back to this poorly thought out initiative.
California's Budget Crisis: The Effects of Prop 13 - TIME
Do you see anyone trying to stop this other than Republicans? What happened in California is just an example of what will happen in the U.S. when the Democrats get their way. Bankrupt State, Bankrupt country. California has fixed it so that even they (the politicians) cannot change the rules back to create a working stable economy anymore. Doesn't matter who did it, it is done and cannot be undone. California is another social experiment that has failed.
I like the way supporters of the capitalist slave system only point to socialist experiments that fail and ignore the ones that are successful. Look at Denmark and Sweden and you see that in the case of California, it has been a human failing, not a system one.
Denmark (pop. 5.5 million approx.) Sweden (pop. 9 million approx) little countries, hardly a good example of socialism. We could have a private club with their results. Lower the population, easier to manage any result you want. Among 2-3 people any system looks good.
California (pop. 34 million approx) human failing, yes, but a human failing that proved system cannot work in larger populations. There is no benefit to socialism in a world population.
California (pop. 34 million approx) human failing, yes, but a human failing that proved system cannot work in larger populations. There is no benefit to socialism in a world population.
US banks are a shining example of a totally capitalist system gone mad. There is no benefit to a system that doesn't care for anything but making the rich richer ... except for a greedy few. What's wrong with a compromise?
"What's wrong with a compromise?"
Nothing
In fact, I think your being to nice to the bankers, now I know Canadians in general do not like this, but I think they should be taken outside and shot for what they caused to our economy..
Nothing
In fact, I think your being to nice to the bankers, now I know Canadians in general do not like this, but I think they should be taken outside and shot for what they caused to our economy..
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Capitalism is a shining light in the darkness (unless you lived in cali in the early 2000s). Just love how they faked blackouts/ brownouts and power shortages in California so they could push up power bills. Obviously a perfect system.
Obviously you have not lived in or stayed in Cuba, Venezuela or old socialist Europe. California deserves what they have, they brought it upon themselves with a little help from Enron.
Canada has socialist policies, we hear American pundits talk about our socialist ways from time to time, usually when Americans are debating progressive policies. Our banks are among the best run financial organizations in the world. We have great lifetime expectancies. We have great education. We have little fear of oversight meant to protect us. We're not perfect, but we're not a failed or failing state. About the same population size as California, and about 24 times the size.
That is very understandable in that Socialism is a system that works best when the ENTIRE population is willing to put more into the system than what it takes out.
