The benefits of socialism.

taxslave

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Hell years ago during world war two we had rationing of everything and there was no socialism here. As late as 1946 rationing was still part of everyday life in Canada.
There is drought coming like it did during the great depression and we had better get ready to make serious sacrifices. Socialism is not a big scary abstract thing at
all. The problem with Capitalism. and Socialism is they become blended visions of
each other. I like progressive left of center policies, administered through
conservative fiscal policy. Tommy Douglas was a master at it. Today we have a
conservative government trying to maintain social programs without the balance of
fiscal policy. The Tories gave out all those tax breaks to business and the wealthy
and now they don't have the money to meet their responsibility to the average
citizen. Don't tell me about a world wide recession, the conservatives behaved like
we were never going to have a down turn, they reduced taxes for the privileged
and now they're in a bind, looks good on them. If we combined aspects of free
market and socialist policy, we would be a lot better off than we are now.
The problem is free market parties, try to fit their ideology into the social programs
of today and it doesn't work. Medicare, and Canada Pensions, Family Allowance and
so on were never meant to be for profit programs. This Socialist scare is really over
the top.
Not if you lived in B.C. during the nineties.
 

damngrumpy

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I have lived in BC since the 1940's and the government of Glen Clark was pretty good
sure they made some mistakes most governments do. But it was better than what we
have now. Ujjal didn't do much for us though. Every government regardless of stripe
has to make tough decisions in recession. The NDP at least ensured the programs
would ultimately continue. and the present government has gutted almost everything
with their policies. The difference with this recession is the present government went
out and gave huge tax breaks to business that we couldn't afford and to replace the
money they put the tax burden on consumers with the HST that is coming upon us
hard.
 

JLM

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I have lived in BC since the 1940's and the government of Glen Clark was pretty good
sure they made some mistakes most governments do. But it was better than what we
have now. Ujjal didn't do much for us though. Every government regardless of stripe
has to make tough decisions in recession. The NDP at least ensured the programs
would ultimately continue. and the present government has gutted almost everything
with their policies. The difference with this recession is the present government went
out and gave huge tax breaks to business that we couldn't afford and to replace the
money they put the tax burden on consumers with the HST that is coming upon us
hard.

I too have lived in British Columbia since the 1940s but my take on Glen Clark is quite different from yours. To be quite honest I can't remember one major thing Glen did that was good. I do remember though that a $100 million mysteriously went missing, I remember an election platform based on a budget surplus that didn't exist, I remember how he bought 3 ferries that were an experiment when a sane person would have bought one, until it was tested before buying the other two. I say as in another game we play, three strikes you're out.
 

jsiooa

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So did Adolph.

"Hooded Chavez supporters shot at least two anti- Chavez students at a university in a clash Wednesday that erupted after thousands marched through the capital calling for the vote to be postponed, witnesses and hospital officials said."
http://en.epochtimes.com/news/7-11-9/61773.html

Chavez retains power thru fear and intimidation, he is now a dictator.


Hmm no, and be wary of bias news. Epoch times is vehemently opposed to communism which won't hinder them the slightest to post false crap about communist leaders and countries.
 

Cliffy

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So did Adolph.

"Hooded Chavez supporters shot at least two anti- Chavez students at a university in a clash Wednesday that erupted after thousands marched through the capital calling for the vote to be postponed, witnesses and hospital officials said."
http://en.epochtimes.com/news/7-11-9/61773.html

Chavez retains power thru fear and intimidation, he is now a dictator.
I find this hysterical. The US has been propping up some of the most violent despots in dozens of countries for more than 50 years, training death squads for third world tyrants, engaged in assassinations and toppling duly elected governments, and waging wars all over the place, and you have the balls to criticize Chavez.

I know plenty of American expats who saw the absurdity of US foreign policy decades ago and could not stand to be associated with it any more. When are you going to grow up? America maintains its life style by oppressing the rest of the world.
 

pgs

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I find this hysterical. The US has been propping up some of the most violent despots in dozens of countries for more than 50 years, training death squads for third world tyrants, engaged in assassinations and toppling duly elected governments, and waging wars all over the place, and you have the balls to criticize Chavez.

I know plenty of American expats who saw the absurdity of US foreign policy decades ago and could not stand to be associated with it any more. When are you going to grow up? America maintains its life style by oppressing the rest of the world.
Yes I note how their country expands every time I look at a map.
I am always amazed at the amount of land and countries they swallow up.
Their empire is growing at a rate that the brits of the 18th century could only dream of.:roll:
 

ironsides

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I find this hysterical. The US has been propping up some of the most violent despots in dozens of countries for more than 50 years, training death squads for third world tyrants, engaged in assassinations and toppling duly elected governments, and waging wars all over the place, and you have the balls to criticize Chavez.

I know plenty of American expats who saw the absurdity of US foreign policy decades ago and could not stand to be associated with it any more. When are you going to grow up? America maintains its life style by oppressing the rest of the world.


Yes, yes, those American expats you refer to just got scared that they might have to join the military and headed north. Simple answer if things are that bad in he rest of the world, why not just move to the U.S. As you intimate, we take care of our own.
 

lone wolf

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Yes, yes, those American expats you refer to just got scared that they might have to join the military and headed north. Simple answer if things are that bad in he rest of the world, why not just move to the U.S. As you intimate, we take care of our own.

Just ask anyone in New Orleans - or sick and can't afford the hospital....
 

ironsides

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Where was the worlds disaster relief help when the city was destroyed? I only saw Canadian and Mexican equipment. No country in the world can handle something like that alone. By the way, the people of New Orleans are doing just fine, all is back the way it was, weak levees and all.
 

Avro

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I love how Walt posts and article about the evils of socialism while sucking off the guvmint teet his whole life as a public employee.

Why didn't you start your own buisness Walt?

I did.
 

JLM

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I love how Walt posts and article about the evils of socialism while sucking off the guvmint teet his whole life as a public employee.

Why didn't you start your own buisness Walt?

I did.

Maybe it's time to correct a common misconception, as a former public employee for 35 years I have considerable insight into it. What you say is largely true as it applies to politicians, but the rank and file, like the public health nurse, the guys clearing snow off the roads, the mental health workers, they are mainly dedicated employees out to enhance the common good & are dedicated employees.
 

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Maybe it's time to correct a common misconception, as a former public employee for 35 years I have considerable insight into it. What you say is largely true as it applies to politicians, but the rank and file, like the public health nurse, the guys clearing snow off the roads, the mental health workers, they are mainly dedicated employees out to enhance the common good & are dedicated employees.

Which makes Walts derisive comments about the government all the more baffling.
 

JLM

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Which makes Walts derisive comments about the government all the more baffling.

I have to admit I don't always follow Walt closely, but it's necessary to note the vast distinction between government and government employees.
 

Tonington

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I have to admit I don't always follow Walt closely, but it's necessary to note the vast distinction between government and government employees.

The government can't do it's work without it's employees. Can it?
 

JLM

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The government can't do it's work without it's employees. Can it?

While that may be true, the vast majority of Gov't. employees are not working for the Gov't. (the political arm) per se. About 80% of what "Gov't. does would be better off done by the private sector. There's not much wrong with the line employees per se, but there is a lot of waste generated by the bureaucrats and such offices as personell. As far as Government is concerned it's questionable if they can do their work with their employees. Politicians are about 95% of the problem.
 

Tonington

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But politicians aren't what Walter railed against. He said government. Without the employees, all you have is politicians. The good work the government does, is not done by politicians.
 

Cliffy

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Yes, yes, those American expats you refer to just got scared that they might have to join the military and headed north. Simple answer if things are that bad in he rest of the world, why not just move to the U.S. As you intimate, we take care of our own.
You are wrong. Some are professional people that just couldn't take the hypocrisy any more. One is a successful cinema photographer. Some did their tours of duty in Vietnam and just couldn't live with the guilt. What I can't understand is how you justify such blatant hypocrisy. Chavez is a kindergarten bully compared your major league tyranny.
 

Francis2004

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I too have lived in British Columbia since the 1940s but my take on Glen Clark is quite different from yours. To be quite honest I can't remember one major thing Glen did that was good. I do remember though that a $100 million mysteriously went missing, I remember an election platform based on a budget surplus that didn't exist, I remember how he bought 3 ferries that were an experiment when a sane person would have bought one, until it was tested before buying the other two. I say as in another game we play, three strikes you're out.

Well JLM, I have to agree with you on those points..

I think if we were to look at any NDP Premiers in BC that tried hard you would have to look at Mike Harcourt.. By far not perfect he at minimum had some integrity.. He also fell due to a scandal ( bingogate ) but had tried hard to keep BC going..

The only issue I have with the NDP is that Unions drive them far too much.. Even a moderate like Harcourt could not escape that..