The benefits of socialism.

Cliffy

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proroguing parliment and killing imortant bills so the Olympcs or so they say can be watched?
Yup! And when parliament resumes, he will be trying to sell bridges to nowhere to pay for this party. I actually heard someone say yesterday that we should wait and see if the Olympics benefit the province. Sorry, but 50 years of dept is the average historical outcome of such excesses.
 

Liberalman

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Yup! And when parliament resumes, he will be trying to sell bridges to nowhere to pay for this party. I actually heard someone say yesterday that we should wait and see if the Olympics benefit the province. Sorry, but 50 years of dept is the average historical outcome of such excesses.

Are you saying that the Conservative government is against the Olympics in Canada?
 

Spade

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Today, on CBC radio, I overheard the observation that America (USA) was settled by numerous communal groups - Amish, Friends, and so on. Modern America, and sadly Canada as well, has forgotten the more noble aspects of its past.
 

Cliffy

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So are you saying that the Conservative government should not help in the shortfall from the BC Olympics?
No. What I am saying is that if anybody cared to check out the history of such mega events, they never would have happened in the first place. They are just advertising schemes that will make corporations richer because sheeple will buy more stuff they can't afford because they are brainwashed easily by all the razzle and dazzle.
 

Liberalman

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No. What I am saying is that if anybody cared to check out the history of such mega events, they never would have happened in the first place. They are just advertising schemes that will make corporations richer because sheeple will buy more stuff they can't afford because they are brainwashed easily by all the razzle and dazzle.

It’s all about tourism and helping businesses make money.

It’s all about new money coming into the region.

It’s about job creation, people working now.

It’s about showcasing Canada in a positive light so future opportunities can happen.

The Aboriginals are the winners this time around because the event is on their land and they get to keep the buildings.

The Olympics will eventually pay for itself
 

Nuggler

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That is why they do not have a dipper government. All the freeloaders from across Canada came to B.C. when the dippers were giving away tax dollars to anyone that did not want to work. And most of them are still here.

That was quite some time ago. The most of them that are still there probably have kids that are still there.

I think that people who move these days are like the dustbowl refugees, trying to find a place WITH work. Quite a difference from the silly sixties.
 

Cliffy

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That was quite some time ago. The most of them that are still there probably have kids that are still there.

I think that people who move these days are like the dustbowl refugees, trying to find a place WITH work. Quite a difference from the silly sixties.
Actually, I think the people he is referring to were kicked out of Alberta when Kline issued them a one way bus ticket to Vancouver instead of a welfare cheque in the nineties.
 

JLM

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No. What I am saying is that if anybody cared to check out the history of such mega events, they never would have happened in the first place. They are just advertising schemes that will make corporations richer because sheeple will buy more stuff they can't afford because they are brainwashed easily by all the razzle and dazzle.

Truer words were never spoken.
 

ironsides

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The truth is Chavez is a lot of things but he is not a dictator. He was elected by the people in landslide the first term. America calls him a dictator, but the fact is there
was a military take over and a counter coup that kept him in power. He has the
power behind him, namely the poor, and if they come out it will allow him to stay in
power only by winning at the ballot box; In that country the poor rarely voted and
many were not eligible to vote, Chavez gave them the right to vote. Once again
Chavez was elected therefore he is not a dictator, he came to power at the ballot
box.

So did Adolph.

"Hooded Chavez supporters shot at least two anti- Chavez students at a university in a clash Wednesday that erupted after thousands marched through the capital calling for the vote to be postponed, witnesses and hospital officials said."
http://en.epochtimes.com/news/7-11-9/61773.html

Chavez retains power thru fear and intimidation, he is now a dictator.
 

Kakato

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Actually, I think the people he is referring to were kicked out of Alberta when Kline issued them a one way bus ticket to Vancouver instead of a welfare cheque in the nineties.

They were doing it long before Klien was in power,Welfare here would give them a one way to Fernie B.C.
My mom ran the greyhound here so we saw it all the time.
That was over 30 years ago,they probably all made it to the coast by now.:cool:
 

JLM

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They were doing it long before Klien was in power,Welfare here would give them a one way to Fernie B.C.
My mom ran the greyhound here so we saw it all the time.
That was over 30 years ago,they probably all made it to the coast by now.:cool:

Generous of them- could have dropped them in Sparwood. :lol::lol::lol:
 

Kakato

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Generous of them- could have dropped them in Sparwood. :lol::lol::lol:

Or hosmer!

I think it had something to do with they got more welfare and could have 2 dogs in Fernie.
Their was too much work in Spermwood,Fernie had more hippys.
Now the Aussies move their for the winter and go on welfare and most have rich parents.
 

JLM

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Or hosmer!

I think it had something to do with they got more welfare and could have 2 dogs in Fernie.
Their was too much work in Spermwood,Fernie had more hippys.
Now the Aussies move their for the winter and go on welfare and most have rich parents.

Oh yeah, the dogs, I believe there were cases where about a dozen families claimed the same dog.........................:lol::lol::lol:
 

Kakato

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Oh yeah, the dogs, I believe there were cases where about a dozen families claimed the same dog.........................:lol::lol::lol:

Yup,and when the case workers started paying visits they all went out and got 2 dogs,when they moved on the dogs got left behind,it was a big problem for a few years.
 

damngrumpy

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Regarding the Olympics, its not about new money coming into the Province, its about
all kinds of money yours mine and ours going out of the Province in foreign banks
accounts in the name of profit. You and I will pay for additional expenses after the
companies divide up the profit and leave us with the cafe cheque as it were. I think
the Federal Government should not come up with one more dime. We the people of
BC should pay for this as a lesson never to host such an event again. I hope people
learn a big lesson, that the Social Credit coalition now call the Liberal Party are the
rascals they always were under a different name and much further to the right.
 

AnnaG

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Regarding the Olympics, its not about new money coming into the Province, its about
all kinds of money yours mine and ours going out of the Province in foreign banks
accounts in the name of profit. You and I will pay for additional expenses after the
companies divide up the profit and leave us with the cafe cheque as it were. I think
the Federal Government should not come up with one more dime. We the people of
BC should pay for this as a lesson never to host such an event again. I hope people
learn a big lesson, that the Social Credit coalition now call the Liberal Party are the
rascals they always were under a different name and much further to the right.
The Dippers got us into the Olys, speaking of socialism. I hardly think they'd be any better. I just thought you needed a reminder. :)
 

countryboy

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Regarding the Olympics, its not about new money coming into the Province, its about
all kinds of money yours mine and ours going out of the Province in foreign banks
accounts in the name of profit. You and I will pay for additional expenses after the
companies divide up the profit and leave us with the cafe cheque as it were. I think
the Federal Government should not come up with one more dime. We the people of
BC should pay for this as a lesson never to host such an event again. I hope people
learn a big lesson, that the Social Credit coalition now call the Liberal Party are the
rascals they always were under a different name and much further to the right.

Every time I get into politics, I'm outnumbered, outmanned, and outgunned...not bright enough to conduct that kind of discussion, I guess. So I'll stay away from "who dunnit?" here...

BUT, I will say that I would like to have seen the pro forma Profit and Loss Statement in the business plan for this little venture called the 2010 Olympics. Money coming into the province? Not enough, I would guess, to outweight the huge costs, both buried and obvious. From purely a money standpoint, I can't imagine how BC and/or Canada would benefit, short or long term.

Jeez, Vancouver already runs low on water quite regularly so are they expecting more people to flock to the city and live there? Where in the hell will they live? There are already lots of people without a home there...why add to the misery?

Are we talking about an increase in tourism? Certainly a temporary spike, but long term, sustainable, profitable tourism? We already have a pretty good base going there. Besides, with the lousy travel infrastructure we have in place (crappy highways north of Hope, no passenger rail service, Greyhound making noises about leaving BC, and limited air service to the Interior...boy, I think if there are glowing projections in place, I suggest one of two things - they were done by someone who hasn't a clue as to what they're doing, or they just rammed in some numbers to make it all look good. Either way, they couldn't possibly begin to believe that tourism increases would offset the expenditures in the near or long term future. Vancouver and the Island only have so much capacity to handle that "huge influx of money" that somebody apparently thinks is coming our way.

No, I think it's unreasonable to say that the Olympics will "pay off" in any way, shape, or form.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing - I'm all in favour of athletes, physical fitness, competitive fellowship among countries, and all that good stuff. I'm just NOT in favour of racking up a huge bill for it and then trying to claim it's all good, financially speaking.