The American Revolution? Now how did the US Citizens manage to kick the butts of the

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Its a bit of a toss up as to who is more arrogant and self righteous, the Brits or the Yanks. History is His Story and is usually a bit of a circle jerk of self gratification mixed with heaps of BS.
 

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Its a bit of a toss up as to who is more arrogant and self righteous, the Brits or the Yanks. History is His Story and is usually a bit of a circle jerk of self gratification mixed with heaps of BS.
Cliffy, they both had no problem running company towns where the business owners were just as corrupt as any family in power for generation after generation.
 

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Who stole it from the original residents.

And what were the original residents? Cannibalistic, spear-chucking savages who called themselves John Big Brown Bear Bald Eagle. And that's how America and Canada would be today if it wasn't for Britain's civilising effect. They'd be like a North America version of Chad, but with the natives wearing feathers on their heads and eating each other rather than wearing bones through their noses and eating flies.

It's a pity that the North American mainland became uncivilised again after it got its independence. It's time to get rid of guns, baseball, watery beer and crappy chocolate and replace it with Coronation Street, cricket, G&T (the world's most elegant drink and a very English and civilised one at that) and Yorkie bars.
 
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Just to set the record straight, the light bulb was invented by an American and the telephone was invented by a Canadian for starters.

Its a bit of a toss up as to who is more arrogant and self righteous, the Brits or the Yanks. History is His Story and is usually a bit of a circle jerk of self gratification mixed with heaps of BS.


Now this thread is finally starting to have some sense infused into it!

And what were the original residents? Cannibalistic, spear-chucking savages who called themselves John Big Brown Bear Bald Eagle. And that's how America and Canada would be today if it wasn't for Britain's civilising effect.


It's an ignorant statement like that, that just eliminates any iota of credibility you may have had. If you want to see the epitome of savages just look at the British monarchy prior to 1700.
 

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If you want to see the epitome of savages just look at the British monarchy prior to 1700.
It didn't slow down, their new master, the Bankers, are even more insane that the Royals of any of the big 5 powers back then.
 

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When did the British initiate the practice of paying First Peoples to take the scalps of American men, women and children?
Actually, it was the Dutch who instigated scalping in New Amsterdam (New York) before anybody else and long before the revolution.
 

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If you're talking the american revolution, it didn't happen.

The practice of purchasing scalps predated the American Revolution. However, the practice continued during the War of Independence.

"...[British General] Hamilton's reputation is so involved with the employ-
ment of Indians against the American frontiersmen during the
War for Independence that an understanding of that warfare is
essential to an evaluation of the man. But writers differ widely
upon this point. Theodore Roosevelt wrote that the Lieutenant-
Governor "merely carried out the orders of his superiors." George
Rogers Clark called him the "Hair-Buyer General"
; and this atti-
tude has generally been followed by American writers with more
or less caution. James A. James wrote, "Although it cannot posi-
tively be proved that Governor Hamilton offered rewards for
scalps, Americans believed him guilty of this crime. That scalps
were paid for seems well established through the testimony of
prisoners and of spies, disguised as traders, who visited Detroit..."


Full text of "Henry Hamilton and George Rogers Clark in the American Revolution, with the unpublished Journal of Henry Hamilton"




"He was known across the Ohio frontier as the "˜hair buyer.' His real name was Henry Hamilton and he was, in 1779, the British Lieutenant Governor of Detroit. In this position he was the brains and the money behind terrible Indian raids on American settlements all along the frontier. It was widely believed that he had paid bounties for American scalps collected on such raids.

In February 1779, Hamilton's base at Vincennes was under siege by a hardy band of frontiersmen under the command of George Rogers Clark. The hardened American Riflemen were too much for Hamilton's soldiers. Soon many of them were wounded. After several hours of shooting, Clark called a halt and sent a man with a white flag up to the fort with a letter for Hamilton. It urged him to surrender in order to save his men. In reply Hamilton wrote the following:

"Governor Hamilton begs leave to acquaint Col. Clark that he and his garrison are not disposed to be awed into action unworthy of British subjects.

However after a few more desperate hours Hamilton did, indeed raise a white flag. He proposed a ceasefire with three days of talks. Clark refused, suspecting that Hamilton was stalling for reinforcements. During these negotiations, Clark's men intercepted a war party on it's way to Hamilton to present American scalps for payment. The Indians were tied to a fence and tomahawked in full view of the British defenders of the fort. Hamilton subsequently surrendered. The Hair Buyer was now an American prisoner. Clark immediately had Hamilton clapped in irons. The outraged British Lieutenant Governor responded to this treatment with the following to Clark, "You must renounce all pretensions to the character of an officer or a gentleman..."

Military Biography: Henry Hamilton


Actually, it was the Dutch who instigated scalping in New Amsterdam (New York) before anybody else and long before the revolution.

How far back can the practice be traced?
 

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"Although it cannot posi-tively be proved that Governor Hamilton offered rewards for scalps,


There ya go, from your own link.
 

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"Although it cannot posi-tively be proved that Governor Hamilton offered rewards for scalps,


There ya go, from your own link.


That scalps were paid for seems well established through the testimony of
prisoners and of spies, disguised as traders, who visited Detroit.



Read the entire link instead of cherry picking.

We know that the practice of scalping was part of British policy prior to the War of Independence. Why would the British abandon their customary modus operandi during the American Revolution?
 

gerryh

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That scalps were paid for seems well established through the testimony of
prisoners and of spies, disguised as traders, who visited Detroit.



Read the entire link instead of cherry picking.

We know that the practice of scalping was part of British policy prior to the War of Independence. Why would the British abandon their customary modus operandi during the American Revolution?


Ummmm..... ya.....ok...... nice spin. Maybe you should take a look at the complete history of "taking scalps" before pointing the finger at any one in particular.
 

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This was a simple question:

When did the British initiate the practice of paying First Peoples to take the scalps of American men, women and children?

Here is your complete denial without qualification, condition, or equivocation:


If you're talking the american revolution, it didn't happen.

Now it looks like you are backtracking from your complete denial:


Ummmm..... ya.....ok...... nice spin. Maybe you should take a look at the complete history of "taking scalps" before pointing the finger at any one in particular.
 

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ROTFLMAO

Mr. Arrogance??

Our own Piers Morgan, combining everything we love to hate about idiotic English arrogance and stupidity in one entity.........

Although I do like a lot of his posts quoting articles, everytime he opens his mouth...

Reminds me of something my Irish friend told me once..

"Everytime I get to thinking maybe the Brits aren't really all that bad, I meet another one."

this thread went downhill fast
 

gerryh

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This was a simple question:



Here is your complete denial without qualification, condition, or equivocation:




Now it looks like you are backtracking from your complete denial:


I guess you could say it's a he said she said kind of the thing. The americans, which we all know never lie or propagandize the role of their "enemy", say that the brits paid for scalps. They also, on the other hand, admit to not having concrete proof. That being the case, I will err on it never happened and was just a propaganda tool used by the americans.

this thread went downhill fast


yup, you posted.