Taliban Jack wants to shutdown AB oilsands?
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Heh heh if anything will endear the NDP to Alberta it's got to be shutting down the oildsands. :lol:
Man that guy has his finger on the pulse or what!
Man that guy has his finger on the pulse or what!
I may vote afterall. Albertas oil sands project is a very dirty deal, there are I think very good reasons to shut it down before the land and water are ruined forever. Of course any Canadian government moveing along these lines would very quickly expose the real owners of Alberta and the real thinking of Albertans. I don't think the famous Albertan Dick Chenny will cooperate.
The Brits owned us in the past, as did the French..so now we're owned by the USA. Not a big deal to me[at least, I like the Ameriicans]:smile: Yes, you should vote. no matter who you cast your ballot for, it adds a few bucks to the party's coffers.
That's been the reasoning of the house slave for a long time. Your masters will no doubt pat your pointy little head.:lol:
Imagine that, Albertans having views that having jobs and money are more important than having a nice landscape for tourists to visit.
If Alberta wants to ruin their landscape for whatever reason, good for them. They get the benefit and they get the mess to live in.
In my mind, its a little like pissing the bed because the washroom is a long walk..but they are the ones forced to lay in it so its up to them.
If Alberta wants to ruin their landscape for whatever reason, good for them. They get the benefit and they get the mess to live in.
In my mind, its a little like pissing the bed because the washroom is a long walk..but they are the ones forced to lay in it so its up to them.
He may be, but in this, he is right. The current exploitation of the Alberta tar sands is an absolute disgrace. The ecology of that region will not recover. What most don't realize, is the vast amounts of water involved in the separation of oil from the tar sands. Polluted water is stored in huge tailing ponds that are no longer useful to the fish or wildlife in the area. Waterbirds die if they land on these toxic lakes. Seepage from these poisonous tailing ponds is already killing fish in the river. The tar sands development is the dirtiest project in the world.
But again,
Isn't that up to the people who live in the region?
Its all well and good for those of us with income sources and jobs (built by destroying OUR environment) to critisize them for destroying idealic scenery we'd like to vacation at.
But I don't see us tearing down our abominations against nature (at least in Ontario) to revert it to pristine wilderness while we exist on agriculture.
The Alberta Oilsands is an Alberta issue to be handled by Albertans in their provincial election. Its not the business of the Federal government, nor should people who live outside of Alberta.
Its the same as Language Laws in Quebec, the rest of the country may not like it, but its not our business.
Isn't that up to the people who live in the region?
Its all well and good for those of us with income sources and jobs (built by destroying OUR environment) to critisize them for destroying idealic scenery we'd like to vacation at.
But I don't see us tearing down our abominations against nature (at least in Ontario) to revert it to pristine wilderness while we exist on agriculture.
The Alberta Oilsands is an Alberta issue to be handled by Albertans in their provincial election. Its not the business of the Federal government, nor should people who live outside of Alberta.
Its the same as Language Laws in Quebec, the rest of the country may not like it, but its not our business.
The Alberta Oilsands are not just an Alberta issue Zzarchov. That river empties into the Arctic ocean. What say do the people in the NWT have in the pollution of their watershed? The river drains into the Wood Buffalo National Park, which is the business of the Feds.
That is a very shallow attitude Zzarchov. Alberta is being run by American oil companies who could care less about the ecology of the province. The Athabasca river is a thousand miles long and the damage being done is not reversable. The filthy tailing ponds will be a permanent feature and there will be many more of them as the tar sands development continues. Alberta is part of Canada and a large part of that province is being destroyed by stupid politicians who are bending over for oil company profits. A whole river system is being destroyed without regard to whoever uses that river downstream. It's not only an Alberta problem. It is a Canadian problem.
So what if its run by American Companies?
Should I feel better if it was run by Canadian Companies? Do I care what the nationality of the 4 or 5 executives who reap in the rewards are?
It isn't me, or any common Canadian citizen either way.
We can easily shut down the industry in Ontario with the damage they have scarred into the environment (worse than the oil sands in many areas), including damaging national parks as well.
And we have bent over for all kinds of companies over the years. Many not Canadians.
The main problems seems to be that Alberta doesn't have equal representation to the provinces that benefited from this kind of mentality before.
If we start playing the hypocrit in this case, I can absolutely support them trying to seperate. As stupid as I would find it normally, that to me is a provincial issue.
Should I feel better if it was run by Canadian Companies? Do I care what the nationality of the 4 or 5 executives who reap in the rewards are?
It isn't me, or any common Canadian citizen either way.
We can easily shut down the industry in Ontario with the damage they have scarred into the environment (worse than the oil sands in many areas), including damaging national parks as well.
And we have bent over for all kinds of companies over the years. Many not Canadians.
The main problems seems to be that Alberta doesn't have equal representation to the provinces that benefited from this kind of mentality before.
If we start playing the hypocrit in this case, I can absolutely support them trying to seperate. As stupid as I would find it normally, that to me is a provincial issue.
Anyone with any brains knows that the tar sands development is going to destroy most of Northern Alberta, completely devastate water quality, and likely result in deaths of lots of Natives in Alberta and NWT.
But that's the price we all seem to want to pay. In 5 or 10 years, when they no longer have any fresh water they can use in the extraction plants, somebody will decide to think, but until then, we should all carry on.
But that's the price we all seem to want to pay. In 5 or 10 years, when they no longer have any fresh water they can use in the extraction plants, somebody will decide to think, but until then, we should all carry on.
I never could understand why they can't recycle their used water insted of poisining more fresh stuff
The federal government can't do squat about Alberta. Quebec has shown the way! Separation!
Hell, they could join the USA. I'm sure they would take 'em; it would save having to invade.
If Alberta plays it's cards right it could get larger transfer payments. Maybe it's time they had a referendum?
Hell, they could join the USA. I'm sure they would take 'em; it would save having to invade.
If Alberta plays it's cards right it could get larger transfer payments. Maybe it's time they had a referendum?
That is not what Layton said and this headline of this post is blatant lie.
NDP Policy regarding the Tar Sands:
The NDP has not said they would shut down the AB oilsands. The title of this post is a blatant NDP fear mongering lie.
Canadians should want responsible government.
I expect responsible government to consider the longterm implications of developments like the oilsands and have a longterm plan regarding managing the development which includes cleaning up the mess.
I expect responsible government not to subsidize projects which poison and pollute Cananda.
I also expect responsible government to protect fellow Canadians from harm.
The Liberals and Conservatives have so far used our tax dollars to subsidize big oil's plans to poison and pollute Canada. After the oil has been extracted and the oil companies leave, the Liberals and Conservatives have no plan to ever hold them accountable or responsible. That lack of a plan is effectively a plan allow the oil companies to make huge short term profits and burden us with huge longterm problems. Does that sound like responsible government?
The NDP and the Green Party appear to be the only choices in this election who are willing to consider the longterm implications of tar sands extraction on a significant portion of Alberta and Saskatchewan and fellow Canadians. To me, that sounds like responsible government.
De facto that would shut down the oil sands EAO.......
And outrage the west.....natural resources being the sole responsibility of the provinces.
You think the NEP alienated the west. You'd have a western separatist party in power in Alberta so fast........
And where, pray tell, would the rest of the country get their money???????
And outrage the west.....natural resources being the sole responsibility of the provinces.
You think the NEP alienated the west. You'd have a western separatist party in power in Alberta so fast........
And where, pray tell, would the rest of the country get their money???????
How would it shut down the oil sands? NO NEW PROJECTS does not shut any existing one down or close any licenced reserve. You just liked the negative impact the propaganda version had on Layton din'cha?
I want the pipes coming to the forgotten coast, I am sick and tired of you upper and outer Canadians rustlin my gas and oil and selling it and the yankee pig dogs especially since you dumb ****s just watched them strippin the fish out of the goddamn Atlantic Ocean not ot mention our trees and electricity. Wake up twit the country is leavin the country on the ashphalt conveyor belt. This is Canada we have winter do we want and need furnace oil or Albertabans. A choice must be made for the good of the rest of the Canadian organism, I say cut that hand off you can always grow anotherone but only if you don't freeze this winter. And don't tell me about firewood, that's all gone to the orient on big boats, ground up real fine.
The tailing ponds are why. They heavy load of chemicals that's left in the water after the steam is forced into the mixture isn't any good, to extract the bitumen. They need new freshwater to do that, and the tailing ponds grow. Grow faster than any decomposers that can remediate that mess.