Stephen Harper has no reason to quit while he’s ahead

BornRuff

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Trudeau is very good in weathervane politics.............

Lol, again, how are we making this judgement? What is this based on?

If we are going to go after a current leader for stuff like this, the obvious examples come up with Harper. He has made countless promises that were popular at the time that he was trying to gain power, only to do a complete 180 later on.
 

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Lol, again, how are we making this judgement? What is this based on?

If we are going to go after a current leader for stuff like this, the obvious examples come up with Harper. He has made countless promises that were popular at the time that he was trying to gain power, only to do a complete 180 later on.
Better start naming them .
 

Trex

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As of this moment Justin Trudeau is a media personality and nothing much else.
He is not even the Leader of the Opposition Party and thus wields less power,control and influence over Canada than any of Harpers backbenchers or for that matter any of the NDP shadow cabinet ministers or the Leader of the Official Opposition Thomas Mulcair.

Perhaps Trudeau minor will one day make his footnote in the history books.
But not today, and probably not for a couple more years, at best.

Stephen Harper was the Leader of the opposition from somewhere aroud 2002 to 2006.
He has been Prime Minister of Canada from 2006 onwards.
He has won 3 Federal elections to date.
If he looses the next Federal election he will have served as PM less than Sir John A, Mac King and P.E.T. and
he will be roughly tied in time served with John Chretien and Brian Mulroney.
If he wins another election he will be swinging for the fences historically speaking.

Harper is a trained and fully recognized economist and is widely viewed as having steered the Canadian ship of state through
the last international recession more effectively than any other G12 leader.

If Harper looses the next election and retires from politics he will go down in history as a somewhat cold, unlikable but effective leader who all in all lead Canada remarkably well in a difficult time.

Assuming he quits.
Why would he?
He appears to healthy, he is relatively young.
He could easily sit out 4 years in opposition and then come back for another term or two as Prime Minister.

And if he decides to stack the Senate before he leaves then no non-Conservative Senate bill will pass without prior Conservative approval.

Canadians will decide who leads the country in the next election.
Whatever their choice I, personally, can live with it.
But I really do get a chuckle out of the rabid haters on this forum.
Two more years folks.
That's a Conservative two more years.
 

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As of this moment Justin Trudeau is a media personality and nothing much else.

In the next Canadian federal election Justin Trudeau will get more young voters out which Harper failed to do.

During any election positive media rules and since Stephen Harper shunned the media and threw Conservatives under the bus on a regular bases his party is on the verge of fracturing back to PC and Reform. After the deal with the US on Keystone that's when he will leave because he will have been successful in weakening Ontario and Quebec by destroying most of the manufacturing with his free trade deals and getting a long term deal with the US with Keystone that really benefits Alberta since the provinces control their own resources. We have to remember former Alberta premier Peter Lougheed "Let the easteners freeze in the dark"
 

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Trex

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Liberalman: In the next Canadian federal election Justin Trudeau will get more young voters out which Harper failed to do.

During any election positive media rules and since Stephen Harper shunned the media and threw Conservatives under the bus on a regular bases his party is on the verge of fracturing back to PC and Reform. After the deal with the US on Keystone that's when he will leave because he will have been successful in weakening Ontario and Quebec by destroying most of the manufacturing with his free trade deals and getting a long term deal with the US with Keystone that really benefits Alberta since the provinces control their own resources. We have to remember former Alberta premier Peter Lougheed "Let the easteners freeze in the dark"
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Because you quoted me I will respond.

Dealing with your above statement as best I can.
I completely agree with you that J.T 's election war-room will indeed focus on getting a younger and typically non-voting Canadians out on the hustings as much as is possible.
It needs to, and will.
Just like Obama did.

As to your reference to free trade: came up under P.E.T, Mulroney then punched it through, Chretien approved it and worked with it and so did Martin.
So how do you figure Harper is involved in it?

Lets talk about you Liberalman.
As best as I can recollect on this forum you seem to be: anti-homosexual, anti-lesbian, anti-bisexual and then anti-gay marriage of any description.
Anti-birth control, anti-abortion and last but not least anti-free choice?
What then the lonely metro sexual?

My wife, before retirement, was a registered Federal lobbyist.
Our political leanings were fairly well known in the political community.
Both my wife and I were more than welcome to sit, drink wine and chitchat in Liberal households both in Ottawa and on the rooftop patio's of Mount Royal.

Liberal man if your personal views on society have not changed I would suggest no Liberal of any merit would have anything to do with you.
I would further suggest Justin Trudeau would not approach you with a long stick.
Rob Anders could be a potential soul mate but the hard-core reform thing is quickly withering on the vine.

Please let let the forum know if you had a recent conversion to free choice (regarding a woman’s body) or open marriage.
 

Cliffy

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The burning question is- "Is there a better replacement on the horizon"?
Right now I would vote for a chimpanzee. Anything would be better than this clown. At least a chimp might not be so easy to manipulate by the power elite.
 

BornRuff

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You want to reopen the constitution debate ?

What does that have to do with my post?

You didn't ask if I agreed with what he said. You asked for examples of him flip flopping on issues when it was convenient.

Everyone in office fails to deliver on promises made during the election, but normally it is in more general ways. It is pretty rare to see someone make promises not to do such narrow and specific things and then do the complete opposite once elected.

Not only did he say he wouldn't tax income trusts, but he spat vitriol at others who suggested it had to be done. It took him like one year to reveal that to be a blatant lie, and by first promising not to tax them, he made the fallout much more painful for all the people he accused others of robbing.

Promising not to appoint any unelected senators is a pretty simple thing to follow through on. You simply don't appoint any senators.
 

Liberalman

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Lets talk about you Liberalman.
As best as I can recollect on this forum you seem to be: anti-homosexual, anti-lesbian, anti-bisexual and then anti-gay marriage of any description.
Anti-birth control, anti-abortion and last but not least anti-free choice?
What then the lonely metro sexual?
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Please let let the forum know if you had a recent conversion to free choice (regarding a woman’s body) or open marriage.

OUCH!





I really appreciate your honesty

I checked my history and I have been on Canadian Content for more than seven years.

When I first got on I was new to forums and it took me a while to get the hang of it.

I find that discussions are the best way to find out what society thinks and any thoughts and beliefs that I might have started with is constantly changing as our society changes.

I come from the old days where life was simple, gays were an oddity and every Halloween the drag queens had their parade and were greeted with a barrage of fresh and rotten eggs but as time went on that changed due to their persistence and perseverance they got their message across to mainstream society that they were normal in a different way and with the law backing them up they are starting to abandon the gay ghettos moving into more traditional settings. One day the gays will lose their labels that society put on them and this is why forums are so important.

Women’s right to choose as far as abortion is concerned to me is wrong. I just do not agree with killing babies or future taxpayers. If someone kills a pregnant woman they are charged with two murders not one.

This federal Conservative government will re-open the abortion issue later this year. The House Of Commons will have a special debate on when life begins in the womb or when the child is born.
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Tonington

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As of this moment Justin Trudeau is a media personality and nothing much else.
He is not even the Leader of the Opposition Party and thus wields less power,control and influence over Canada than any of Harpers backbenchers or for that matter any of the NDP shadow cabinet ministers or the Leader of the Official Opposition Thomas Mulcair.

That's a foolish thing to say. Having a strong media presence is power, control, and influence. Trudeau announced he was removing Liberal Senators from the Liberal Caucus. What happened afterwards? The conversation shifted. Harper had eight years and did much less. Harper allies praised Trudeau's move. Trudeau has had less than a year, and made more news already than Harper did, and without any legislative changes to the Senate. You think power, control, and influence only come from within Parliament? That, is foolish.
 

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OUCH!





I really appreciate your honesty

I checked my history and I have been on Canadian Content for more than seven years.

When I first got on I was new to forums and it took me a while to get the hang of it.

I find that discussions are the best way to find out what society thinks and any thoughts and beliefs that I might have started with is constantly changing as our society changes.

I come from the old days where life was simple, gays were an oddity and every Halloween the drag queens had their parade and were greeted with a barrage of fresh and rotten eggs but as time went on that changed due to their persistence and perseverance they got their message across to mainstream society that they were normal in a different way and with the law backing them up they are starting to abandon the gay ghettos moving into more traditional settings. One day the gays will lose their labels that society put on them and this is why forums are so important.

Women’s right to choose as far as abortion is concerned to me is wrong. I just do not agree with killing babies or future taxpayers. If someone kills a pregnant woman they are charged with two murders not one.

This federal Conservative government will re-open the abortion issue later this year. The House Of Commons will have a special debate on when life begins in the womb or when the child is born.
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I'm not big on abortions either, but I've always maintained there are exceptions to every rule. Abortions for someone's convenience is definitely taboo in my books.

 

petros

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Naw.

Justin holds that title.

He inherited his father's love of communist murder-states, top-down rule, arrogance, and double-speak, along with his mother's intellect.......or lack thereof.
Where is the oil that made the gas in your tank from Angola? Iraq? Congo? Venezuela?


Hooray for you!