So, how about that Syrian chemical attack thing?

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If Israel were destroyed tomorrow the Hidden Hand would still exist and exert it's control over the species. I srael is one tiny basket of rotten eggs, they're are others not so easy to see, those you can only smell.
 

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Dear Magda,

Today’s Russia is perilously unimaginative, despite its move toward western values.

We are a strange mix of three cultures. The oldest is Imperialist Russia, complete with Czars, gaudily dressed rich people and pointless musicals.

Then there is Lenin’s time in the sun. This sun, I am told, was graciously provided by the Party as a token of their love for the common peasant and factory worker. Bah!

Finally, the world of tomorrow - Capitalism uptown. Please help us here! We are trapped in a world full of people like Snoop Doggy Dog, the Dukes of Hazzard and reality shows!

Have you noticed the fake goods constantly for sale near Red Square? Nike and Coke clothing and related neo-junk. Faux iPods, IBM and signed posters of Brittany are everywhere. Even the old signs of Communism like party badges can be bought in the market. But nothing is real. Much like our previous existence, but without the state sanctioned killings. At least without public knowledge of any killings...

Most people here do not care. A whole generation has grown up now without the benefit of fears of the government and its symbols. They have never seen the midnight visits from the KGB to a neighbour or a member of their household. They have not seen the terror in a young man’s eyes as he is led away for his national service with the army. Pogroms and the secret, evil societies are unknown to them.

The old people scream at them to listen, but their pleas fall on deaf ears. Tattooed teens wearing blue jeans and carrying cell phones cannot conceive of the country being under the Communist thumb. They cannot understand being controlled by government during the day and one’s own fear at night.

Strangely, they do not pay attention in history class to living testimonials of the oppression. Even the universities - places where the educated should know better - refuse to listen to the haunting voices. I fear that this will be our undoing.

My friend Sergey says this is because most people feel that if you ignore it, then it will stay away. Things cannot come back to bite you. And he says that we are protected too! President Putin has no hidden agenda. He is a strong, intelligent and handsome leader who will steer us toward prosperity! Sergey, have you read any of the works of the American writer Stephen King?

Living here is better than before, but there is a long way to go before we can truly be safe. Here, as in the US, there is talk of unusual activity. This is the business of large autonomous organizations - not the government!

Even though we may not be the military threat we once were, there are still people in positions of authority that crave the power associated with carrying a large sword. Beware the career military man and most civil servants!

No more today. Despite what I have said, people still disappear here. I do not want that to happen to me. I wish you peace and harmony.

Love, Boris.
 

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I wonder if 'they' will impeach him for not getting congress to approve an attack. Even that would be unlikely considering no Americans were injured in the (false) attack.
I'm confused by some suggesting this bombing was 'illegal'.

By who's rules would this be considered any more illegal than the other bombings the Americans are doing in Syria and the other countries they are in?

Was it illegal for Obama to send drones around along with tens of thousands of bombs........?
 

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REPOST: US ‘backed plan to launch chemical weapon attack on Syria, blame it on Assad govt’ – Report

By wmw_admin on April 8, 2017
ANI — Jan 30, 2013

The Obama administration gave green signal to a chemical weapons attack plan in Syria that could be blamed on President Bashar al Assad‘s regime and in turn, spur international military action in the devastated country, leaked documents have shown.

A new report, that contains an email exchange between two senior officials at British-based contractor Britam Defence, showed a scheme ‘approved by Washington’.

You are stupid capitalist.

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I think the argument is that it's easier to just say "F*ck it" and drone a place as opposed to putting your own people in harm's way to bomb it. After all, military hardware is much easier to replace than trained/skilled operators of said hardware.
Really?? Perhaps if they had not been in the area over the last 70 years the place would be different today. Perhaps you should admit that all the deaths from both World Wars were by the World Bank's efforts to create a new Israel and that is over 100M deaths. Perhaps it is time to start locking up the bigger criminals rather than spending all the energy on solving false falag operations or making them into real attacks . Play stupid long enough and that is just what you become. That the Banksters have to spread a lot of lies to get their agenda passed means the ones being lied to have the power to put an end to it and it would cost a lot less lives than their endless wars and endless lies.
Barring that people will be getting what they deserve so good riddance really.

I'm confused by some suggesting this bombing was 'illegal'.

By who's rules would this be considered any more illegal than the other bombings the Americans are doing in Syria and the other countries they are in?

Was it illegal for Obama to send drones around along with tens of thousands of bombs........?
The US has been doing illegal wars since the end of WWII. That being said they are looking for any reason to dump trump. With this last move of his that might not make it a necessity as he just tanked most of the support he had so he either caves in or he resigns.
Either way the focus should still be on Jerusalem and the attempts to make her the world capital with the UN moving there and suddenly becoming very effective in enforcing the various determinations she will make compared to being the paper tiger she has been since her creation about 70 years ago.

With the US just killing 200 civilians in Iraq via air strikes the attack in Syria is not about the safety of civilians that's for sure. What I find a tad disturbing is all reports of 'the fake news media' has simply vanished and nobody noticed so all of this is being taken as the full truth.. If we have been dumbed down that much we really do deserve to be ruled by the low-lifes of the world. Group's withheld because of anti-semetic charges.

Your source is British? Sorry, they aren't trustworthy.
They repeat what they are told, so does the media in the US. The only missing part is the truth about who is giving them the news that is to be published. Try the f*ckers who own the World Banks as being the head of the snake. all the rest is window dressing.
 

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59 missiles fired, 23 made it to target, nuff said about their 'accuracy'. lol

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Lol...that number is from your sputnik friends.



they don't make the guidance systems much better than on those missiles. tech failures occur as does human error in programming the target. but gps, tercom and digital mapping is pretty much boss level.

anyway pal, with < 10 meter CEP, (and possibly < 3 meters), I would imagine 58 or 59 of them hit their intended targets.

that said, accuracy depends on the mission requirements and how good the intelligence driving the targeting decisions is, and how well the targeting decision is made. it's not as if some ship's captain is 'sighting-in' a few rounds or something.

most of the aircraft shelters were hit, tarmacs nearby, fuel storage tanks and handful of syrian mig-23's were targeted along with a rebel hospital. you can add 'em all up if ya like.


as for the empty chemical drums, they're like pretty much empty. and the russians were given an hour heads-up before the attack so some frantic scurrying about may have taken place at 4am. also, sarin burns as far as I know so they have been left alone to be safe.

this syrian civilian attack was chlorine gas, hence the oxygen administered to the victims. that does nothing for nerve agents.
 

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But they managed to track half. Why not all of them? It's a big sign of weakness.

It means that they work the way that they were designed to work, in the first place.

Originally, this type of cruise missile was equipped with nuclear warheads.
 

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They were designed to defeat 1970s RADAR but apparently can defeat satellites and airborne monitoring systems.
 

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Lol...that number is from your sputnik friends.
You say that like CNN or Israel Times are more truthful. Perhaps they get their intel from the Russian MOD and I'm quite sure they keep track of things like cruise missiles. If that is all the US has for weapons like that they shouldn't go too far from home. If Russia did have something to do with more than 50% not making it to target there is some more international sales for Russia.
BTW way when I said you were one of the brighter ones here that wasn't elevating you above your true level, it just means most are as smart as a rock. No offense but you mock all intel unless it comes from Mossad and they are the 2nd biggest liars on the planet.

they don't make the guidance systems much better than on those missiles. tech failures occur as does human error in programming the target. but gps, tercom and digital mapping is pretty much boss level.
That missile is decades old and new systems take a bite out of the pockets of the shareholders so you get the least effective system rather than the best that can be produced.

anyway pal, with < 10 meter CEP, (and possibly < 3 meters), I would imagine 58 or 59 of them hit their intended targets.
So your iminination has more validity than a media outlet that does not have the same bad rep as the American Media. I hope you have a 'plan B' because that train of thought is as leaky as a sieve.

that said, accuracy depends on the mission requirements and how good the intelligence driving the targeting decisions is, and how well the targeting decision is made. it's not as if some ship's captain is 'sighting-in' a few rounds or something.
The US has said they tracket the plane that did the gas attack. How much better can you get than that. Of course that was a statement that was not backed up by anything but silence and a few coughs from the back of the room.

most of the aircraft shelters were hit, tarmacs nearby, fuel storage tanks and handful of syrian mig-23's were targeted along with a rebel hospital. you can add 'em all up if ya like.
Mig-23's are almost as old as the bi-plane yet they has mission priority.

as for the empty chemical drums, they're like pretty much empty. and the russians were given an hour heads-up before the attack so some frantic scurrying about may have taken place at 4am. also, sarin burns as far as I know so they have been left alone to be safe.
So Russia lit a bunch of fires to destroy (non-existant) gas before the Tomohawk's arrived? You mental gymnastics are entertaining to read but if you use them to guide you life you are in deep, deep trouble even if you are connected to a group that takes care of their own.

The rebuttal article took 5 seconds to find and there are many pages of links that support the same thing. The Donald should have his phones checked as ISIS was able to capitalize on Trump's bombing of their enemy. Might I suggest he double the number next time and make the Pentegram the target as they are no use to America if tjhey have to attack a scrapyard instead of a base that is actually defended sith state of the art equipment. Notice how many time trump and the Media make it clear that Russian equipment and personnel were excluded from the retribution that came from america being shook to it's core.

Only 23 out of 59 US missiles hit target, damage is "laughable" - Syrian officer - Fort Russ
A military source from the Syrian Arab Republic has disclosed the details of the consequences of the US’ missile strike on Syria’s Sharat airfield:


"The Shayrat airfield has for six months already been used by the Syrian Army as a ‘dump’ where the Syrian Arab Republic’s armed forces' old and already decommissioned military equipment waits before being sent to scrap or dismantling for old parts.


As a result of the US missile strike, six MIG-23’s were destroyed which were being repaired and one An-26 transport plane being recycled which, according to the technical staff of the base, already had its wings and power setup dismantled by the time of the attack.


In addition to equipment of Soviet production, as a result of the strike several light-duty transport aircraft of foreign production were destroyed," the Syrian military source concluded.


According to the airfield’s servicemen, two tankers, several trucks, cars, and tractors were also destroyed.


According to experts, the total damage of the missile strike was no more than 3-5 million US dollars. At the same time, by using not so tricky math, it is clear that for recycling such old Syrian equipment the US Army lost around 90 million US dollars.


As follows from objective monitoring information, out of the 59 missiles launched, only every fourth reached its target. Only 23 to 26 missiles fell in the vicinity of the Shayrat airfield itself.


It is unlikely that these results will please American taxpayers. Despite the beautiful pictures in the media, from a military standpoint and in the context of damage to the Syrian army’s military infrastructure, the result of this strike is, at best, laughable.


From an economic standpoint, in terms of corresponding losses and the damage struck, the American side has a fiasco on its hands.


Despite the uselessness of the US strike, from a practical military point of view and from the point of view of the damage done to the Syrian army by the strike, nevertheless someone gets something out of this. This attack was immediately taken advantage of by ISIS terrorists, who immediately after the bombing went on the offensive on government troop positions in the Homs province.



This fact and the incident in September 2016 in Deir ez-Zor (when coalition aircraft bombed Syrian armed forces, after which an ISIS offensive on the city began) speak to the fact that the US is not so much fighting with terrorists in Syria as it is providing them direct military support in fighting against the Syrian army.


this syrian civilian attack was chlorine gas, hence the oxygen administered to the victims. that does nothing for nerve agents.
You forgot to include the distance between the bomb crater and the dead kids of do Syrian kids just line up along the highways??


Where is the outrage??

Mosul's civilian deaths: How the US destroyed Iraq | | Al Jazeera

In October 2016, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) strategists and commanders were fully aware of the sheer number of Iraqi armed forces that were moving in to encircle Mosul.
The operation to retake Iraq's second-largest city was officially launched last October, and in January its eastern half was declared "fully liberated". Mosul is ISIL's last major urban stronghold in Iraq.
ISIL has known for some time that its control over Mosul was coming to an end. The armed group knew that they could not match the Iraqi army and security forces' superior numbers, equipment and international support.
As the battle unfolded over the coming months, and as ISIL predictably continued to lose territory, many wonder what the armed group was actually fighting for.


A partial answer was delivered on March 17, 2017, when a coalition air strike levelled a residential area in western Mosul, killing as many as 200 civilians in the process. US forces said that they have opened an investigation, while Iraqi commanders responded bluntly that they had called in the strike to eliminate snipers who had taken positions on rooftops.
The US' sanctimonious self-image does not fit well with its own sordid history of involvement in Iraq. The US has become so involved in Iraq's modern history that its footprint can be found everywhere.

Iraqi and American commanders have suggested that the incident was the result of a carefully laid trap. According to that narrative, ISIL had deliberately been concentrating civilians together in particular buildings in the hope that they would be attacked by coalition aircraft. The immediate effect would be a pause in the bombing campaign. The long-term effect, however, was to cause for the conspiracy wheel to continue spinning.
And so it has, with great ferocity. Despite a relatively balanced government response and parliamentary debate, various media outlets have been carrying suggestions that the true death toll was much higher, and that the coalition's strategy from the start was - and had always been - to punish Iraq's Sunnis.
The rumour mill has even claimed that Iraqi and US forces took greater care to avoid civilian casualties in eastern Mosul, where there is a much larger concentration of Kurds, whereas western Mosul's larger population of Sunni Arabs were deliberately targeted.
There have been some calls to compensate relatives of those who died on March 17, 2017, but while the Coalition has not pronounced itself on that particular issue, there can be no compensation for what has happened. The Coalition has stated that its "goal is and has always been zero civilian casualties" and that "ISIS will continue to cause massive human suffering".


That should be enough to kill off all the members with a 30 second attention spans.

But they managed to track half. Why not all of them? It's a big sign of weakness.
Half got popped when attacking a dump site. What makes you think there would be any that would get through on a 'well defended site'??

If countries now know the American cruise missiles and be defeated electronically then they just lost one of their biggest threat that get used on various nations. The big bad wolf is in words only apparently. Stealth even died once other nations found out that the universal background radiation can be used to detect.
At least the US is now admitting that the Hornet is the best aircraft they currently have and no replacement is even planned at this point in time.
See what happens when you don't bring traitors to justice.