Saddam Trial - Gen.Ramsey Clarke defends Saddam

[moghrabi]

Think, would you explain what kind of support and to whom.

Good question Pea. I bet he is going to sleep. Or he is going to be in trouble if he accuses Canada of supporting dictators. The only dictators we support so far is the USR.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Saddam-era Iraqi prime minister dies in US custody
Reuters




Reuters

Dec 5, 2005 — BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Former Iraqi Prime Minister Mohammed Hamza al-Zubaidi, who was one of Saddam Hussein's most senior deputies in the early 1990s, died in U.S. detention last week, the U.S. military said on Monday.

Zubaidi, on the U.S. military's list of the 55 most-wanted Iraqis during the war, died at a U.S. military hospital on December 2, said Lieutenant Colonel Guy Rudisill, spokesman for detainee operations in Iraq.

The U.S. military issued a statement about the death of an individual on Saturday, but did not refer to Zubaidi by name.

"A 67-year-old male security detainee was pronounced dead by the attending physician at the 344th Corps support hospital at 7:30 a.m. on December 2," is all that statement said.

His identity only became clear when Saddam's half-brother, a co-defendant in a trial for crimes against humanity, revealed Zubaidi's death during a courtroom complaint on Monday about what he said were poor medical facilities for detainees.

It is not clear what Zubaidi died of or where he was being held before being taken to the hospital for treatment.

As a high-profile prisoner, it is likely that he was being held at Camp Cropper, a small prison near Baghdad airport where Saddam and other major prisoners are also believed to be held.

Zubaidi was the commander of the middle Euphrates region ahead of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

He was named prime minister in 1991, following Iraq's defeat in the Gulf War, but relieved of the post two years later. He was later a deputy prime minister.

After the Gulf War, when Iraq's Shi'ite Muslim majority rose up against Saddam, Zubaidi, himself a Shi'ite, was credited with having put down the revolt, when thousands of Shi'ite Muslims were killed by the government's security forces.

During the trial of Saddam in Baghdad on Monday, Barzan Ibrahim al-Tikriti, Saddam's half-brother and one of the eight defendants, referred to Zubaidi's death.

Barzan told the judge he himself was suffering from cancer and was not receiving proper medical treatment. He said he did not want to end up like Zubaidi and five other senior members of the former regime who he said had died in custody.

from Uruknet.

Hmmm.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Because it didn't serve American interests anymore. What's Canada's excuse for supporting tin pot dictators and oppressive regimes?

Usually it's maintaining our trade relationship with the United States so when we question our government's actions we get called anti-American for that too. :?

consider the source. :x They can yap whatever they want now........but given the fact that they have no credibility or substance..........who cares??? How can anyone RESPECT anything they say .......when they are managed by liers Inc??

bringing CA into the topic os SH trial is just a diversional tactic......... can't take the heat that they have "earned."

but then it takes REAL courage to admit to ones flaws and mistakes....... as opposed to diflecting from them with defensive spin.

 

[unclepercy]

an eye for an eye??? What will this sadism achieve except portray the lust for revenge. Isn't civilization above that??? ........ooops sorry, "civilization " and the 'US" don't belong in the same sentence. Seems this is no frichen better than what he is reputed as doing.

IF this is what one advises for him........what do the same people advise for those that kill and maim and torture under the guise of elective WARS.??? Sorry, as it stands now.......the USR is hardly
"better" than SH regime. just different.

You is NOT Judge,jury and executioner.

Ya see.......psychology comes into play here. Might be best if he is treated with humanitarian kindness to show him what civility is like.

You didn't mind when I had mentioned Bush needs to have the same fate, did ya? Not a peep out of you.

And yeah, Saddam Hussein deserves that kind of punishment in my opinion. You stopped short of suggesting he be rehabilitated.

"civilization " and the 'US" don't belong in the same sentence"

Bigot. That's what you are plain and simple.

Get on it, ITN - you go, guy! Still laughing my ass off about the
Martin decision on Israel - or indecision - or wrong decision - or whatever.

Such conviction! Such staunch beliefs! Wow - almost Bushly.

Uncle

hmm. the topic is SH trial. ........ :roll:

Well, duh, but you can follow a train of thought from one thread to the next - can't you? And why are my posts being edited? ITN,
they are editing out "Canada" from my posts, too. They can't take it. They are so mortally embarrassed by their own gov. that they lash out at us.

Guess what? There is a rumor going around that Canada has developed a radical new defense weapon.

Pssst - it's a telephone. They plan to call the US for help when they get in trouble to save on military expenses.

Percy

 

[Reverend Blair]

bringing CA into the topic os SH trial is just a diversional tactic......... can't take the heat that they have "earned."

The really funny is that if they'd bother to do some actual research, they'd have plenty of points to make against Canada. Those points are generally related to Canada following US-like policies though, so they don't want to know about them.

 

[I think not]

Think, would you explain what kind of support and to whom.

Good question Pea. I bet he is going to sleep. Or he is going to be in trouble if he accuses Canada of supporting dictators. The only dictators we support so far is the USR.

I didn't realize I had to be pinned to the screen all day long responding to you Mog. And despite your sarcasm, yes you DO support the USR. Your weapons industry is several billion dollars strong and employs tens of thousands of workers. Most of which are exported to the US, what do you think they are exporting? BB Guns? You have morality? Quit selling weapons and then claim the high ground. I'll be the first in line to support you. And yes, you sell DU also to the US, under the guise of being used "elsewhere".

You participated in Gulf War I, right? Oh, it was UN sanctioned, nevermind, that one is "morally acceptable"

Ah, Serbia though wasn't UN approved, where are your cries for an illegal invasion there? Nowhere.

Your meddling in the Haiti regime? What's that all about?

You can yell and scream all you want, everyone has their hands in blood, some more, some less, and some outright hide behind hypocrisy. It's not flying, unless of course you prefer to turn a blind eye. Which is evident in your case. Why do you diminish other countries level of involvement simply by the magnitude or extent of it? What kind of morality is that?

Here's a hint, keeps the sheeple in line. Rally the people against a foreign demon and all is well back home.

 

[Reverend Blair]

ITN,
they are editing out "Canada" from my posts, too.

Do you have proof of that accusation, Uncle? The reason I ask is that when your posts are edited a notice of the time and who edited your post shows up for everybody to see, right in the post that was edited.

 

[moghrabi]

RE: Saddam Trial - Gen.Ra

Do not blame him Rev. He is a US puppet. Lies are acceptable for them.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Saddam Trial - Gen.Ra

Do not blame him Rev. He lives in the US. Lies are acceptable.

Right, more bigotry to mask your short-sightedness.

 

[moghrabi]

RE: Saddam Trial - Gen.Ra

He is an outright liar. Don't be like him.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Saddam Trial - Gen.Ra

He is an outright liar. Don't be like him.

Why don't you respond to a couple of examples I gave you? You asked for them, didn't you?

 

[moghrabi]

RE: Saddam Trial - Gen.Ra

I will answer when I have proper information about the subject. We,Canadians, take pride in our accuracy and honesty.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Saddam Trial - Gen.Ra

I will answer when I have proper information about the subject. We,Canadians, take pride in our accuracy and honesty.

Right, you want to check if Canada participated in Gulf War I and Serbia? Take my word for it, you did.

Weapons sales? Close to 60,000 Canadians work in the industry, you can practically trip over them during your walks.

Here I'll save you some trouble on Haiti:

Canada plays big role in propping up Haiti regime

EDIT: Link doesn't work, copy and paste if you like:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=102&ItemID=6995

 

[moghrabi]

RE: Saddam Trial - Gen.Ra

I know that we participated. What I am looking for is what kind of scare tactics we were getting from the US to join you. You always miss the point ITN.

Am I making you nervous?

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Saddam Trial - Gen.Ra

I know that we participated. What I am looking for is what kind of scare tactics we were getting from the US to join you. You always miss the point ITN.

Am I making you nervous?

Scare tactics? Right, that's even better than being morally superior. It's called looking out for your own greed.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Saddam Trial - Gen.Ra

We went to Haiti in the name of our relationship with the US, ITN. It's a shitty reason and we shouldn't have done it, but Mog has a valid point...our politicians allow themselves to be bullied.

 

[moghrabi]

Re: RE: Saddam Trial - Gen.Ra

I know that we participated. What I am looking for is what kind of scare tactics we were getting from the US to join you. You always miss the point ITN.

Am I making you nervous?

Scare tactics? Right, that's even better than being morally superior. It's called looking out for your own greed.

You are getting nervous. You are missing the point ITN. The US pushes countries around to get to their goals. We were pushed few times. But after this illegal unethical war, no more support for you.

 

[I think not]

I'm not nervous. I KNOW what the US has done, you're using a piss poor excuse to justify your actions. The only valid excuse you have is your attempts to preserve your way of life at the expense of others, th eonly difference is, you do it on the sly.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Saddam Trial - Gen.Ra

Uh, ITN? The US does far more harm and issues far more denials. You need more Americans like Ramsey Clark and fewer like that miscreant idiot that you have in the White House.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Saddam Trial - Gen.Ra

Uh, ITN? The US does far more harm and issues far more denials. You need more Americans like Ramsey Clark and fewer like that miscreant idiot that you have in the White House.

Yes, and I agree with you. However what you say is analogous to excusing Mengele pressured by Hitler, or Krushchev pressured by Stalin. I don't think so. Try again.

I won't continue this anymore here, it's way off topic at this point.