Russian Planes Approach Canadian Airspace

[Machjo]

Now you brought up something interesting. Should a person be granted full citizenship if they reject conscription for any reason? As was brought up in the story "Starship Troopers" by Robert A. Heinlein.

In the story, those who refused conscription for what ever reason paid higher income taxes were sort of second class citizens. no voting rights, families regulated as to how many children but otherwise lived pretty normal lives. Something like this I would worry about, not creating boogey men all the time. The only reason the story was news worthy was that it hadn't happened since the cold war ended.

Interesting. Shari'a has something similar. Muslims must pay a tythe of 1/40 of their income to the poor, whereas non-Muslims must pay 2/40. However, in the event of war, Muslims must join the fight whereas non-Muslims are free from that obligation, and if a local non-Muslim community can't afford to build their own church or synagogue, the state provides the funds for its construction.

 

[Machjo]

What about a Polar alliance including Canada, the US, Russia, Greenland, Sweden, Norway, and Finland? This would benefit Canada far more than NATO.

 

[Tyr]

Spade, a plane traveling at 1610 KPH would have no problem making that intercept. Your right about your definition of scramble, but everything associated with the military is a scramble. They they don't take off at leisure.

It still wouldn't have the range to sortie from Cold Lake, intercept, stay on station for 20-30 minutes and get back

We needs a few dozen armed drones

 

[lone wolf]

The only reason the story was news worthy was that it hadn't happened since the cold war ended.

There have been at least 20 since August of 2007.

The Canadian Press: Moscow and Ottawa at odds after CF-18s intercept plane on eve of Obama visit

If Russia meant warlike business, there would be a few more planes in the flight....

 

[Tyr]

What about a Polar alliance including Canada, the US, Russia, Greenland, Sweden, Norway, and Finland? This would benefit Canada far more than NATO.

I'll trade Iceland for Sweden and you got a deal

Greenland is part of Denmark)

 

[L Gilbert]

I still think it's a non-issue.
If I was paranoid I could likely come up with some hidden meaning behind either the story or behind Russian motive.
Maybe it was flying in one area and hit a wormhole and poofed near Canuckville airspace.

 

[RanchHand]

Tyr, I didn't answer Rich because nothing can ever make him happy unless we would have superior military to the US, a bigger economy to the US and more population to the US.. See a pattern here and I agree with MHz that he should have a US Flag not Canadian to his name..

Now as far as the Canadian Military

Quote:

• Today: More than 2,900 members of the Armed Forces are deployed overseas.
• Second World War: More than one million served and approximately 45,000 died.
• First World War: Almost 620,000 Canadians served in First World War and 66,000 died.
• Canada in NATO: Of NATO's 26 member countries, Canada is...First in land area (9,093,507 sq. km), and sixth in total military spending ($13 billion)

CBC News In Depth: Canada's Military

This as you pointed out with no immediate border Country other then the US.

I point out Canada's military spending is a hair( one tenth of one percent) above Tonga and you talk about Canada's role in the Great War??
Your source says the Canadian military budget is 18 billion. How can your NATO budget be 13 billion (if that's what you''re trying to say).

I'm not alone in saying Canada is getting a free ride. In your source:

"plan to revamp Canada's military, a force that has been criticized by the U.S. and other NATO allies as underfunded".

My tax dollars are protecting you ingrates. If you want to take our money and kick us in the teeth, see if Tonga will provide you cover.

As far as the flag goes, there is a bug in the software. It appears intermittently. I have way too much self respect and respect for my country to be associated with the most petty people on the face of the earth.

 

[Machjo]

My tax dollars are protecting you ingrates.

Against whom?

 

[Tyr]

I point out Canada's military spending is a hair( one tenth of one percent) above Tonga and you talk about Canada's role in the Great War??
Your source says the Canadian military budget is 18 billion. How can your NATO budget be 13 billion (if that's what you''re trying to say).

I'm not alone in saying Canada is getting a free ride. In your source:

"plan to revamp Canada's military, a force that has been criticized by the U.S. and other NATO allies as underfunded".

My tax dollars are protecting you ingrates. If you want to take our money and kick us in the teeth, see if Tonga will provide you cover.

As far as the flag goes, there is a bug in the software. It appears intermittently. I have way too much self respect and respect for my country to be associated with the most petty people on the face of the earth.

My tax dollars are protecting you ingrates. If you want to take our money and kick us in the teeth, see if Tonga will provide you cover.

How so? Much like every other country in the world, Canada doesn't need the money (or the inherent strings attached). The USA feels it's their "duty" to interefere in other soverign countries affairs

 

[MHz]

I point out Canada's military spending is a hair( one tenth of one percent) above Tonga and you talk about Canada's role in the Great War??
Your source says the Canadian military budget is 18 billion. How can your NATO budget be 13 billion (if that's what you''re trying to say).

I'm not alone in saying Canada is getting a free ride. In your source:

"plan to revamp Canada's military, a force that has been criticized by the U.S. and other NATO allies as underfunded".

My tax dollars are protecting you ingrates. If you want to take our money and kick us in the teeth, see if Tonga will provide you cover.

As far as the flag goes, there is a bug in the software. It appears intermittently. I have way too much self respect and respect for my country to be associated with the most petty people on the face of the earth.

Well if not for the US we wouldn't even need a defense budget, nor would half the world.

Take your money? We should be buying Russian hardware, they are less of a threat to us than you are. Demanding that we boycott Cuba because you got expelled is proof of how petty you really are.

 

[Colpy]

Well if not for the US we wouldn't even need a defense budget, nor would half the world.

Take your money? We should be buying Russian hardware, they are less of a threat to us than you are. Demanding that we boycott Cuba because you got expelled is proof of how petty you really are.

1. the entire reason we have managed to get through the Cold war without huge military expense is because we are sitting next to the USA.

2. buy Russian equipment???? there is no more serious wate of money than to buy the world's second best military hardware.....and Russian hardware is not close to second best......

 

[Francis2004]

1. the entire reason we have managed to get through the Cold war without huge military expense is because we are sitting next to the USA.

Wait a second Colpy, the Cold war had much more to do with Missiles then military as such.. The US was happy to use Cold Lake Alberta to do testing of those war heads and "impress the Russians" when I was younger.

As far as military I would wonder how much the military would have done against Nuclear war heads ?

The cold war ended because everyone who had nukes realized there was no winning this war.

 

[Machjo]

Colpie, our being next to the US also attracted Soviet attention. So it is a two-way street.

 

[MHz]

1. the entire reason we have managed to get through the Cold war without huge military expense is because we are sitting next to the USA.

2. buy Russian equipment???? there is no more serious wate of money than to buy the world's second best military hardware.....and Russian hardware is not close to second best......

So, when you moving to the US?

The whole cold war was an exercise in seeing who could outspend the other. The US was just willing to go further in to the hole, actually that should be the US Gov was willing to put it's citizens into a bottomless pit, that part has not changed. If Russia hadn't kept pace they would have been attacked.

2nd best eh, that is why Israel is bitching and moaning about Russia selling the S-400 (not 300) air defense system to Iran. Then there are those....well never mind about those things because we don't have .....

Name one beef between Russia and Canada, we have more beefs with our so-called-always-have-to-have-it-our-way neighbors to the south.

Just by not being their allies would save us a bundle, our standing in the international community would certainly rise considerably. Colpy you are going to have to face facts sooner or later, the onlt reason the US has any allies it because of threats of what will happen if the US doesn't get the support they demand, not ask, demand.

The US to India, if you support us in demanding Iran stop efforts to get those power stations running we will make it so that your nuclear activities are no longer monitored.

 

[Machjo]

To be fair to the US though, one reason Canada has so many issues with it is because they are our neighbours. I'm sure it's the same with many nations and their neighbours. The US is our neighbour, and so we should build friendly relations with it. This could even include an aliance whereby we promise to defend the US if it should ever be wrongfully attacked. This would not mean however that we could not establish similar relations with any other country we want, and of course if an allie of ours abuses this alliance by wrongfully attacing other countries itself, then its privileges of alliance are automatically forfeited until it retracts from its illegal activities. And of course we should specify that before even entering any alliance so that there are no surprises.
The US is not necessarily a bd friend to have. It's just a matter of its being excessively militaristic. We shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. If we could maintain friendly relations while letting them know as friends that they must put a stop to their militarism, we could probably build very strong relations between our nations in the future. After all, there are many similarities between our cultures.

 

[ironsides]

Why is Russia throwing a sissy fit about the U.S. missile defense shield being put up in Poland? Colpy is right, Russian equip. is 2nd or 3rd rate. It is their soldiers who are very good and dedicated fighters. Canada has a beef with Russia over Artic resources. That is why the overfly.

 

[lone wolf]

Tell me that when your airplane won't start because the high-tech starter at the plug-in airport just got blasted to smithereens and all you have left to fly from is a field....

 

[ironsides]

Military Jets have self starters these days, can't think of any that do not, especially fighters.

 

[ironsides]

"Demanding that we boycott Cuba because you got expelled is proof of how petty you really are."



Tell that to the Cuban refugee's who either were driven out of Cuba or left because their possessions became state property. Lets also not forget the Cuban missile crisis. I do feel that maybe it is time to restore some normalness with Cuba now. Families have been separated to long.

 

[MHz]

To be fair to the US though, one reason Canada has so many issues with it is because they are our neighbours. I'm sure it's the same with many nations and their neighbours. The US is our neighbour, and so we should build friendly relations with it. This could even include an aliance whereby we promise to defend the US if it should ever be wrongfully attacked. This would not mean however that we could not establish similar relations with any other country we want, and of course if an allie of ours abuses this alliance by wrongfully attacing other countries itself, then its privileges of alliance are automatically forfeited until it retracts from its illegal activities. And of course we should specify that before even entering any alliance so that there are no surprises.

Hate to put a fly in the ointment but that is why we are in Afghanistan. Now if the troops were assisting US forces on US soil that paints a whole different picture. To be half a world away fighting because that is where the US says it's enemies are is stretching that friendship more than a little. That is also why we are not in Iraq, they didn't attack the US. In truth we (along with many UN nations)should be defending Iraq from a hostile takeover. If Kuwait got that sort of service so should any country that is invaded.
The US also wants to control who we can deal with. A Canadian company cannot have dealings with Cuba if they expect to have any dealings with American companies. Now if you are an American company you have to have an off-shore office in some other country, more to do with with Iranian oil that Cuba.

After all, there are many similarities between our cultures.

So why does that mean anything when business deals always favor the US.