Russian Planes Approach Canadian Airspace

[Colpy]

So, when you moving to the US?


Name one beef between Russia and Canada, we have more beefs with our so-called-always-have-to-have-it-our-way neighbors to the south.

Just by not being their allies would save us a bundle, our standing in the international community would certainly rise considerably. Colpy you are going to have to face facts sooner or later, the onlt reason the US has any allies it because of threats of what will happen if the US doesn't get the support they demand, not ask, demand.

The US to India, if you support us in demanding Iran stop efforts to get those power stations running we will make it so that your nuclear activities are no longer monitored.

A beef with Russia?

how about Artic sovereignty........

Meanwhile, Russia is rapidly slipping back to the despotic bad old days, while our friends, neighbours and brothers to the south seem to be shedding the worst aspects of the Bush years.

I can't believe anyone would seriously consider for a nanosecond that Russia would be a better ally than the USA :roll:

Man, do you need to read some history!!!!!!!

 

[RanchHand]

"The cold war ended because everyone who had nukes realized there was no winning this war"

Completely and totally wrong. The US outspent the Soviet Union and bankrupted it. Again, my tax dollars paid for it.

 

[MHz]

Why is Russia throwing a sissy fit about the U.S. missile defense shield being put up in Poland? Colpy is right, Russian equip. is 2nd or 3rd rate. It is their soldiers who are very good and dedicated fighters. Canada has a beef with Russia over Artic resources. That is why the overfly.

Probably because they say it is a defense against Iranian nuclear attack, how much more blatant can a lie get?
I don'y know if you are up to speed but the US (or Israel) does not attack well defended countries, they do their damn best to disarm them before any fighting on their part. Gulf War One was air power against ground forces. Try that with Iran and you will need many planes to bring home the dead.
If that was a factor the North Korea should be attacked and disarmed. They won't go near the place, first they tried before and couldn't do it, with nuclear arms they won't ever do squat.

 

[ironsides]

"Hate to put a fly in the ointment but that is why we are in Afghanistan. Now if the troops were assisting US forces on US soil that paints a whole different picture. To be half a world away fighting because that is where the US says it's enemies are is stretching that friendship more than a little."



Guess you would much prefer to fight in your yard or backyard. Much better to keep the fighting over there. As long as we have been keeping our enemy busy there, we have enjoyed relative security here, If someone ever gets to land on our shores, it would be to late. Grumble, grumble, that is all some of you can do. Enjoy life, you live in a fantastic country.

 

[MHz]

"The cold war ended because everyone who had nukes realized there was no winning this war"

Completely and totally wrong. The US outspent the Soviet Union and bankrupted it. Again, my tax dollars paid for it.

Actually you are still paying for it, and many more payments to come.

 

[MHz]

Guess you would much prefer to fight in your yard or backyard. Much better to keep the fighting over there. As long as we have been keeping our enemy busy there, we have enjoyed relative security here, If someone ever gets to land on our shores, it would be to late. Grumble, grumble, that is all some of you can do. Enjoy life, you live in a fantastic country.

I'm pretty sure we can negotiate with countries to settle disagreement without calling for war. If failed US diplomacy results in war then maybe the tactics that were used and failed should be updated rather than drag you friend into something that was entirely of your own making. Should we have gone to war with the US so we could import a few cigars and sugar from Cuba? Using the US standard yes we should have.

No relevent to your particular post but calling Russian weapons 3rd rate is studid, They are meant to kill if used and that is what would happen. The US can't even properly protect itself from home-made weapons in Iraq, all they do is cry that they are not fighting fair. All the while complaining that should have to do their fighting all on their own, and they are as you don't see lots of tonnage going in as support for them.

 

[lone wolf]

A beef with Russia?

how about Artic sovereignty........

Meanwhile, Russia is rapidly slipping back to the despotic bad old days, while our friends, neighbours and brothers to the south seem to be shedding the worst aspects of the Bush years.

I can't believe anyone would seriously consider for a nanosecond that Russia would be a better ally than the USA :roll:

Man, do you need to read some history!!!!!!!

Not really.... Have we ever really sorted out the panhandle? Or the boundary in the Beaufort Sea? Or the Northwest Passage?

 

[lone wolf]

"The cold war ended because everyone who had nukes realized there was no winning this war"

Completely and totally wrong. The US outspent the Soviet Union and bankrupted it. Again, my tax dollars paid for it.

Is that why Russia is in the bidding for Hummer Division?

 

[MHz]

A beef with Russia?

how about Artic sovereignty........

Meanwhile, Russia is rapidly slipping back to the despotic bad old days, while our friends, neighbours and brothers to the south seem to be shedding the worst aspects of the Bush years.

I can't believe anyone would seriously consider for a nanosecond that Russia would be a better ally than the USA :roll:

Man, do you need to read some history!!!!!!!

How many lives has that taken on both sides.

From your single eye you didn't see the buildup come after the deployment in Poland and elsewhere of offensive weapons. What's with the great flurry to get NATO membership for former Soviet satellite countries if the cold war is over? NATO should be scrapped.

The only thing that is reliable about the US is that it will attack anybody, former friends are not exempt. It also has a long list on how to become a former friend, briefly it says, do everything I say when I say it and be happy about it.

 

[lone wolf]

Military Jets have self starters these days, can't think of any that do not, especially fighters.

You missed the point. US technology needs to be plugged in and kept warm. You don't get that luxury at a front line back-road-come-airstrip. Russian equipment is designed for come-from-behind challenges. US planners assume they'll never be second best.

 

[RanchHand]

Actually you are still paying for it, and many more payments to come.

Hey. Now you're starting to get it. Good going. It's part of the reason why the other NATO countries are complaining that Canada is not carrying it's own weight.

 

[RanchHand]

Is that why Russia is in the bidding for Hummer Division?

Looks like you got it. Yes. That's why Russia and not the Soviet Union is bidding for the Hummer Division.

 

[Machjo]

Hate to put a fly in the ointment but that is why we are in Afghanistan. Now if the troops were assisting US forces on US soil that paints a whole different picture. To be half a world away fighting because that is where the US says it's enemies are is stretching that friendship more than a little. That is also why we are not in Iraq, they didn't attack the US. In truth we (along with many UN nations)should be defending Iraq from a hostile takeover. If Kuwait got that sort of service so should any country that is invaded.
The US also wants to control who we can deal with. A Canadian company cannot have dealings with Cuba if they expect to have any dealings with American companies. Now if you are an American company you have to have an off-shore office in some other country, more to do with with Iranian oil that Cuba.


So why does that mean anything when business deals always favor the US.

That was my whole point. Read my post again.

 

[lone wolf]

Looks like you got it. Yes. That's why Russia and not the Soviet Union is bidding for the Hummer Division.

...and you're overtaxed and economically in the crapper.... I get it....

That is one really F'd/U version of "I win!"

 

[Machjo]

A beef with Russia?

how about Artic sovereignty........

Meanwhile, Russia is rapidly slipping back to the despotic bad old days, while our friends, neighbours and brothers to the south seem to be shedding the worst aspects of the Bush years.

I can't believe anyone would seriously consider for a nanosecond that Russia would be a better ally than the USA :roll:

Man, do you need to read some history!!!!!!!

Didn't you read the article in the OP? It stated quite clearly that the Russian Federation has had a policy over the last few years of stringently abiding by international boundaries in the arctic region, and even respecting Canada's claim on the NWP. It did mention too that the Federation has had a habbit of going to the very edges of the laws short of violating them, yet even that is within their rights. Though granted it would be preferable that they abided by not just the letter of the laws, as they do now but to the spirit of the laws, and not push them to their limits all the time of course. Yet even that is better than the US, that has sent submarines through our waters on occasion without our permission, not to mention, on an international scale, such events as the Iraq war, whereby not only did the US request perission from the UN with no intention of abiding by a efusal anyway, with Koffi Annan having made it clear that the US had indeed violated international laws.

So Russia is not the monster we make it out to be. It might not be perfct, epecially with its conflicts in its bordering regions, but to be fair to Russia, it is a new federation after the USSR, still adjusting from the shock of collapse, and having none-the-less shown restraint in our North. So what is the issue with the Russians other than the fact that they don't speak English?

 

[Machjo]

"The cold war ended because everyone who had nukes realized there was no winning this war"

Completely and totally wrong. The US outspent the Soviet Union and bankrupted it. Again, my tax dollars paid for it.

Yes, your tax dollars paid for it. But this reminds me of another story I'd read about a meeting between Eastern youths after the collapse of the USSR. One Russian lady was criticizing her nation's neighbours for not appreciating the sacrifice that the Russian people had done for them. An Eastern European (I can't remember the nationality) responded that they'd never asked for the help in the first place.
Same goes with the US. It can help other nations all it wants, or should we say impose its help on whomever it wants. But that does not automatically make us indebted to the US. To take another analogy: I offer to buy you a meal, but you politely turn it down. I then tell you that I'm going to invite you for a meal whether you like it or not. Later, have I got any claim on you for having forced you to accept my generosity? Same thing.

 

[Machjo]

Hey. Now you're starting to get it. Good going. It's part of the reason why the other NATO countries are complaining that Canada is not carrying it's own weight.

Personally, I'd love for Canada to leave both NATO and NORAD. So if the US would do the honours of booting us out, I'd be grateful.

 

[RanchHand]

How many countries that were part of the former Soviet Union are begging Putin to let them back in?

 

[Machjo]

...and you're overtaxed and economically in the crapper.... I get it....

That is one really F'd/U version of "I win!"

That was Reagan's whole strategy: Outspend the Soviets to bankruptcy. Well, that's like a game of chicken. The US won, but severely stricken with debt. A few decades later, and now look at it.

Now here's the thing. Canada is not asking for all this US military spending. In fact, all this US military spending threatens Canada by provoking other countries to enter arms races with the US. US demilitarization would actually make Canada safer than it is now. Why could we not just share a small common military force, with a personnel cap of course; we don't want to invade Mars anytime soon.

 

[Machjo]

Ranchhand, I will agree with you on one thing. As long as Canada is a member of NATO and NORAD, it ought to pull its weight. My issue is, while Canada should promote alliance building, NATO, NORAD, and other such confrontational alliances are not the type I'd have in mind. Canada should do the right thing and resign from both of these alliances and then start an open alliance with clearly defined and transparent objectives. Anyone who'd want to join would be welcome.